OT: COVID-19 thread #2

[dice]

apparently COVID-19 has not yet shown evidence of being seasonal like many other flus are. so while surface transmission is surely affected by heat, the human-to-human transmission has not shown signs of being affected similarly

meanwhile, the FDA is no longer approving emergency use of hydroxychloroquine due to health risks and no apparent benefit for COVID-19 treatment

infection rates by state (under 1 is necessary to reduce the spread of the virus):

1.28 AK
1.22 AR/AZ
1.20 UT
1.18 OR/SC
1.11 FL
1.10 TX
1.09 NV
1.08 NC/VT/TN
1.06 AL/KY
1.05 NM
1.04 CA/MT/ID
1.03 OK
1.02 WA/GA/HI/MO/WY
1.01 LA/MS
1.00 ME
0.99 IA/NH
0.98 SD
0.97 NE
0.96 ND
0.94 KS/WV/WI
0.93 IN
0.92 MN
0.91 OH
0.88 MD/DE/RI
0.87 CO
0.86 IL/VA
0.85 NJ/MI
0.83 PA
0.81 NY
0.77 MA
0.73 CT

arizona is also operating at 2/3 of ICU capacity, putting them at high risk, and has a 15.4% positive test rate, indicating they aren't testing enough. also, they've contact traced only 2% of cases

alabama is at 10.8% positive tests and 3% contact tracing. georgia is the other state that isn't contact tracing much

[_txchilibowl_]

I was supposed to get a hair cut. I haven't had a hair cut in 4 months. Found out that the person cutting my hair is a Trump supporter and shared a Candace Owen, "I don't support George Floyd and I don't see him as a martyr" video rant. Should I cancel on her?

Why does that matter? If you have some kind of relationship with a republican or trump supporter and then he finds out you’re a Democrat would you like it if he just stops talking to you because of that? That’s ridiculous, why is everything about politics?

At the end of the day we are Americans and don’t need to agree on everything. We all can have our own opinions but what you’re saying now is you only want to talk to people that share your opinion. That’s not right. There’s a lot of trump supporters, can’t act like that.

Besides why do you even have to talk to your barber about politics? If you like the barbers service then go get your cut and thats it. Doesn’t matter who he supports.

I agree. Difference of opinion and your ability to have it is what makes a democracy a democracy. There was a time when we weren't so politically divided that we would deny another citizen their right to express themselves. We seem to be drifting away from that as a country which is truly a scary thing....

[_txchilibowl_]

I should have noted above that things like hate speech are obviously not a personal right. I haven't seen the video in question so I cannot comment....

[The Box Office]

I was supposed to get a hair cut. I haven't had a hair cut in 4 months. Found out that the person cutting my hair is a Trump supporter and shared a Candace Owen, "I don't support George Floyd and I don't see him as a martyr" video rant. Should I cancel on her?

Why does that matter? If you have some kind of relationship with a republican or trump supporter and then he finds out you’re a Democrat would you like it if he just stops talking to you because of that? That’s ridiculous, why is everything about politics?

At the end of the day we are Americans and don’t need to agree on everything. We all can have our own opinions but what you’re saying now is you only want to talk to people that share your opinion. That’s not right. There’s a lot of trump supporters, can’t act like that.

Besides why do you even have to talk to your barber about politics? If you like the barbers service then go get your cut and thats it. Doesn’t matter who he supports.

I thought about that. You're speaking to me like I don't know. I know. I know there's some Trump supporters here on RealGM and they got triggered, too. Oh well.

Control your temper. Your post is full of anger. Where is that coming from? Please get that sorted out, Red. Are you a Trump supporter? Is that why it sounds like you're angry?

Anyways, I canceled. If a Republican/Trump supporter don't wanna talk to me, that's fine. Why is that any of your concern?

I was about to go get my hair cut from her despite this, but then I stopped myself one more time. Because she's never cut my hair before. Usually, a hairstylist/barber WILL mess up on their first try with a client; the first few tries actually. If I hate the way she cuts, I wouldn't come back. I do have another person to go to, but I chose to with this new one because my old one is closed.

She's a friend; a friend who I see at the clubs. I will bump into her again. Then she'll ask, "How come you don't come back to me?"

Me: "I hate how you cut my hair. You screwed up AND you put a time limit on me."

Yes, she didn't have much time. That means she'll rush through process. Which means I'm getting a crappy hair cut. I don't wanna deal with that. I chose to avoid it. You see? Nothing to do with politics on why I finally canceled. And I'm doing business with a friend, which is a sacrilegious "NO NO" in my mind. I don't do business with friends AND family from experience. Regardless of political standing. Yes, even friends and family who are Democrats and progressives, I wouldn't do business. Even when we have the same view points. I don't care.

You asked, "Why is everything about politics?" Why did you reply in here in the first place? You felt compelled to type out your post. I'll put a new thing that just happened to me to show you why "Why is everything about politics?" is unavoidable.

A relative, FROM TEXAS, came over to stay for 2 days at my place for vacation. She's traveling. However, I know she's a Trump supporter from her posts on FB. I NEVER replied or commented on any of them. ZERO from me.

And guess what? As usual, I didn't bring up anything regarding politics. SHE DID. OMG. man. I knew it. Like clockwork. I was just waiting quietly just seeing when she's gonna explode. She did. Right on time. Talking about Covid 19 is a hoax, fake news, Covid 19 is just media mind control, masks are stupid, etc. She exploded on to my oldest sis, too.

I kept quiet. I'm 100% sure I didn't say anything to trigger it.

I avoided politics and it still followed my a.$$. Even something on a haircut OR a visit from a relative from Texas. Politics is unavoidable no matter how much I try to avoid it. Someone always bring it up somewhere.

Red, you are aware of what's going on right now besides Covid 19? Black Lives Matter, ACAB, about 45 million unemployment claims, FDA revoked emergency use of hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine for the treatment of Covid-19, Trump erasing gay rights only to be curb stomped by his own Supreme Court, and what not.

Covid 19 sucks, but in some ways, it's also a blessing. Covid 19 was completely unavoidable anyway from my research and observations. Just like politics.

[moorhosj]

There was a time when we weren't so politically divided that we would deny another citizen their right to express themselves. We seem to be drifting away from that as a country which is truly a scary thing....

Which citizen was denied their right to express themselves in this scenario?

[Dresden]

I was supposed to get a hair cut. I haven't had a hair cut in 4 months. Found out that the person cutting my hair is a Trump supporter and shared a Candace Owen, "I don't support George Floyd and I don't see him as a martyr" video rant. Should I cancel on her?

Why does that matter? If you have some kind of relationship with a republican or trump supporter and then he finds out you’re a Democrat would you like it if he just stops talking to you because of that? That’s ridiculous, why is everything about politics?

At the end of the day we are Americans and don’t need to agree on everything. We all can have our own opinions but what you’re saying now is you only want to talk to people that share your opinion. That’s not right. There’s a lot of trump supporters, can’t act like that.

Besides why do you even have to talk to your barber about politics? If you like the barbers service then go get your cut and thats it. Doesn’t matter who he supports.

I thought about that. You're speaking to me like I don't know. I know. I know there's some Trump supporters here on RealGM and they got triggered, too. Oh well.

Control your temper. Your post is full of anger. Where is that coming from? Please get that sorted out, Red. Are you a Trump supporter? Is that why it sounds like you're angry?

Anyways, I canceled. If a Republican/Trump supporter don't wanna talk to me, that's fine. Why is that any of your concern?

I was about to go get my hair cut from her despite this, but then I stopped myself one more time. Because she's never cut my hair before. Usually, a hairstylist/barber WILL mess up on their first try with a client; the first few tries actually. If I hate the way she cuts, I wouldn't come back. I do have another person to go to, but I chose to with this new one because my old one is closed.

She's a friend; a friend who I see at the clubs. I will bump into her again. Then she'll ask, "How come you don't come back to me?"

Me: "I hate how you cut my hair. You screwed up AND you put a time limit on me."

Yes, she didn't have much time. That means she'll rush through process. Which means I'm getting a crappy hair cut. I don't wanna deal with that. I chose to avoid it. You see? Nothing to do with politics on why I finally canceled. And I'm doing business with a friend, which is a sacrilegious "NO NO" in my mind. I don't do business with friends AND family from experience. Regardless of political standing. Yes, even friends and family who are Democrats and progressives, I wouldn't do business. Even when we have the same view points. I don't care.

You asked, "Why is everything about politics?" Why did you reply in here in the first place? You felt compelled to type out your post. I'll put a new thing that just happened to me to show you why "Why is everything about politics?" is unavoidable.

A relative, FROM TEXAS, came over to stay for 2 days at my place for vacation. She's traveling. However, I know she's a Trump supporter from her posts on FB. I NEVER replied or commented on any of them. ZERO from me.

And guess what? As usual, I didn't bring up anything regarding politics. SHE DID. OMG. man. I knew it. Like clockwork. I was just waiting quietly just seeing when she's gonna explode. She did. Right on time. Talking about Covid 19 is a hoax, fake news, Covid 19 is just media mind control, masks are stupid, etc. She exploded on to my oldest sis, too.

I kept quiet. I'm 100% sure I didn't say anything to trigger it.

I avoided politics and it still followed my a.$$. Even something on a haircut OR a visit from a relative from Texas. Politics is unavoidable no matter how much I try to avoid it. Someone always bring it up somewhere.

Red, you are aware of what's going on right now besides Covid 19? Black Lives Matter, ACAB, about 45 million unemployment claims, FDA revoked emergency use of hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine for the treatment of Covid-19, Trump erasing gay rights only to be curb stomped by his own Supreme Court, and what not.

Covid 19 sucks, but in some ways, it's also a blessing. Covid 19 was completely unavoidable anyway from my research and observations. Just like politics.

I didn't think Red's post was angry at all. He's just saying, why can't we get along with people of the other political party in day to day matters like getting a haircut? We don't have to pick all of our friends, vendors, business contacts based on political affiliation. I don't blame somebody if they would rather give their business to someone who believes in the same things they do, but I certainly don't make it a litmus test for every person I do business with.

[_txchilibowl_]

There was a time when we weren't so politically divided that we would deny another citizen their right to express themselves. We seem to be drifting away from that as a country which is truly a scary thing....

Which citizen was denied their right to express themselves in this scenario?

In this scenario someone suggested that they get the hairdresser fired for their beliefs. I was under the impression it was because they were a Trump supporter.

I'm far from a Trump supporter but even I don't think that's right. Someone shouldn't be denied their ability to make a living because I disagree with them.

Edit: You're right. Nobody was denied their ability to express themselves in the scenario. I should have been clearer about their ability to make a living. But the larger point still stands...there is a growing intolerance to political differences that prevents productive conversations from happening.

[Dresden]

West VA seeing a spike in cases caused by churches re-opening:

'"On Monday, health officials said that there had been eight church-related cases in Hampshire County, seven in Boone County and five each in Jefferson and Marshall counties. Speaking at a press conference on Monday, West Virginia Gov. Jim Justice revealed that the outbreak in Greenbrier County was at Graystone Baptist Church in Lewisburg. And he said that the number of cases there had risen to 28.

State health officials told Yahoo News that the infected churchgoers had themselves infected an additional 26 people, so that the total number of people who had contracted the coronavirus either directly or indirectly because of the worship services was now 79."

[moorhosj]

Edit: You're right. Nobody was denied their ability to express themselves in the scenario. I should have been clearer about their ability to make a living. But the larger point still stands...there is a growing intolerance to political differences that prevents productive conversations from happening.

I think you have the cause and effect mixed up. There is a growing “need” to publish political beliefs publicly. Social media is preventing far more productive conversations from happening than one individual voting with their checkbook.

If you are in a business that relies on people of all beliefs as patrons, don’t publicly promote your own politics and you won’t have to deal with those who might not like it.

[coldfish]

Spoiler:

apparently COVID-19 has not yet shown evidence of being seasonal like many other flus are. so while surface transmission is surely affected by heat, the human-to-human transmission has not shown signs of being affected similarly

meanwhile, the FDA is no longer approving emergency use of hydroxychloroquine due to health risks and no apparent benefit for COVID-19 treatment

infection rates by state (under 1 is necessary to reduce the spread of the virus):

1.28 AK
1.22 AR/AZ
1.20 UT
1.18 OR/SC
1.11 FL
1.10 TX
1.09 NV
1.08 NC/VT/TN
1.06 AL/KY
1.05 NM
1.04 CA/MT/ID
1.03 OK
1.02 WA/GA/HI/MO/WY
1.01 LA/MS
1.00 ME
0.99 IA/NH
0.98 SD
0.97 NE
0.96 ND
0.94 KS/WV/WI
0.93 IN
0.92 MN
0.91 OH
0.88 MD/DE/RI
0.87 CO
0.86 IL/VA
0.85 NJ/MI
0.83 PA
0.81 NY
0.77 MA
0.73 CT

arizona is also operating at 2/3 of ICU capacity, putting them at high risk, and has a 15.4% positive test rate, indicating they aren't testing enough. also, they've contact traced only 2% of cases

alabama is at 10.8% positive tests and 3% contact tracing. georgia is the other state that isn't contact tracing much

I suspect that if we had a graphic showing number of active infections by state (an accurate one) over time, it would look like an ocean wave. It hit NYC first and was the highest there and spread out to Boston, Philly, Chicago, DC next. The wave is now past those places and is peaking in Utah, Arizona, Texas, Florida, etc. The wave now is no where near as high as NYC with nationally infections and deaths being way down but locally it could get ugly in places.

The r0 estimate for this initially in NYC was off the charts. I have seen estimates over 8 and don't forget its an exponential. To put numbers to that, the 1.28 in AK will infect 3.4 people on the 5th jump. An r0 of 8 would hit 32,000. This isn't showing signs of being out of control anywhere in the US (yet).

Professor Murray out of IHME thinks that weather is playing a factor in suppressing r0. That's kind of worrying because we are about a week away from summer equinox. Its all downhill from here.

The big question is if we see a true second wave starting in a city that it already hit. It would be extremely painful if NY, Boston, Philly, Chicago, DC, etc. started getting hit with a true second pulse of infections. As of now, I believe that infections have plummeted in every city that has been hit hard. Some of the cities like Detroit are showing virtually no activity.

[PlayerUp]

apparently COVID-19 has not yet shown evidence of being seasonal like many other flus are. so while surface transmission is surely affected by heat, the human-to-human transmission has not shown signs of being affected similarly

Some reports have indicated that heat may slow it down, that's about it.

Reality is COVID-19 could be the new "deadlier flu". It will never die or go away. People will now need mandatory vaccines and newborns will as well. While humans may eventually overcome this, howabout animals?

[PlayerUp]

There was a time when we weren't so politically divided that we would deny another citizen their right to express themselves. We seem to be drifting away from that as a country which is truly a scary thing....

Which citizen was denied their right to express themselves in this scenario?

In this scenario someone suggested that they get the hairdresser fired for their beliefs. I was under the impression it was because they were a Trump supporter.

I'm far from a Trump supporter but even I don't think that's right. Someone shouldn't be denied their ability to make a living because I disagree with them.

Edit: You're right. Nobody was denied their ability to express themselves in the scenario. I should have been clearer about their ability to make a living. But the larger point still stands...there is a growing intolerance to political differences that prevents productive conversations from happening.

This is the concern with the right is censorship of free speech and they have a valid argument. People should be able to believe in what they want without being judged by it. It's clear that they aren't able to voice their opinions especially those opinions being that they support Trump these days without consequences.

[PlayerUp]

Wear those masks, people:

"A new study from UK researchers found that requiring individuals to wear face masks all the time could be enough to contain an outbreak on its own with no lockdown — even if the masks were only 50% effective at trapping infectious particles when a person exhales.

"These results are striking in that the benefits accrue to the face mask wearer as well as to the population as a whole," the researchers wrote. "There is, therefore, a clear incentive for people to adopt face mask wearing."

The researchers found that face masks can decrease transmission even if just 25% of the population wears them, though not by much. If half of the population wore them, however, that might slow an outbreak (but not prevent it), according to the study. The more people wore face masks, the researchers determined, the closer a community could get to containing its outbreak.

This aligns with research from Arizona State University, which found that "broad adoption of even relatively ineffective face masks may meaningfully reduce community transmission of COVID-19."

The university's models determined that near-universal adoption of face masks in New York state could prevent up to 45% of projected deaths over two months — even if face masks were only 50% effective. In Washington state, face masks that were only 20% effective but worn by most of the population could still reduce mortality by up to 65%, the researchers found."

https://www.yahoo.com/news/california-health-official-got-many-225600314.html

Wear a simple mask or potentially lose your life.

Should be an easy pick.

[Dresden]

Which citizen was denied their right to express themselves in this scenario?

In this scenario someone suggested that they get the hairdresser fired for their beliefs. I was under the impression it was because they were a Trump supporter.

I'm far from a Trump supporter but even I don't think that's right. Someone shouldn't be denied their ability to make a living because I disagree with them.

Edit: You're right. Nobody was denied their ability to express themselves in the scenario. I should have been clearer about their ability to make a living. But the larger point still stands...there is a growing intolerance to political differences that prevents productive conversations from happening.

This is the concern with the right is censorship of free speech and they have a valid argument. People should be able to believe in what they want without being judged by it. It's clear that they aren't able to voice their opinions especially those opinions being that they support Trump these days without consequences.

I don't know about the "without being judged by it". Judging someone for what they say or post isn't censorship. If you want to put your beliefs and opinions out in the world where anyone can see them, you have to be prepared for the consequences. I'm a business owner, and I wouldn't put a Bernie Sanders sticker on my business vehicle because it might offend some of my customers and I might lose their business. That's just a part of life. It's not censorship.

[jmajew]

Spoiler:

apparently COVID-19 has not yet shown evidence of being seasonal like many other flus are. so while surface transmission is surely affected by heat, the human-to-human transmission has not shown signs of being affected similarly

meanwhile, the FDA is no longer approving emergency use of hydroxychloroquine due to health risks and no apparent benefit for COVID-19 treatment

infection rates by state (under 1 is necessary to reduce the spread of the virus):

1.28 AK
1.22 AR/AZ
1.20 UT
1.18 OR/SC
1.11 FL
1.10 TX
1.09 NV
1.08 NC/VT/TN
1.06 AL/KY
1.05 NM
1.04 CA/MT/ID
1.03 OK
1.02 WA/GA/HI/MO/WY
1.01 LA/MS
1.00 ME
0.99 IA/NH
0.98 SD
0.97 NE
0.96 ND
0.94 KS/WV/WI
0.93 IN
0.92 MN
0.91 OH
0.88 MD/DE/RI
0.87 CO
0.86 IL/VA
0.85 NJ/MI
0.83 PA
0.81 NY
0.77 MA
0.73 CT

arizona is also operating at 2/3 of ICU capacity, putting them at high risk, and has a 15.4% positive test rate, indicating they aren't testing enough. also, they've contact traced only 2% of cases

alabama is at 10.8% positive tests and 3% contact tracing. georgia is the other state that isn't contact tracing much

I suspect that if we had a graphic showing number of active infections by state (an accurate one) over time, it would look like an ocean wave. It hit NYC first and was the highest there and spread out to Boston, Philly, Chicago, DC next. The wave is now past those places and is peaking in Utah, Arizona, Texas, Florida, etc. The wave now is no where near as high as NYC with nationally infections and deaths being way down but locally it could get ugly in places.

The r0 estimate for this initially in NYC was off the charts. I have seen estimates over 8 and don't forget its an exponential. To put numbers to that, the 1.28 in AK will infect 3.4 people on the 5th jump. An r0 of 8 would hit 32,000. This isn't showing signs of being out of control anywhere in the US (yet).

Professor Murray out of IHME thinks that weather is playing a factor in suppressing r0. That's kind of worrying because we are about a week away from summer equinox. Its all downhill from here.

The big question is if we see a true second wave starting in a city that it already hit. It would be extremely painful if NY, Boston, Philly, Chicago, DC, etc. started getting hit with a true second pulse of infections. As of now, I believe that infections have plummeted in every city that has been hit hard. Some of the cities like Detroit are showing virtually no activity.

Here's to hoping we have a vaccine in mass supply by October. Even if it has a 40% efficacy rate with the amount of people that have had it we would be very close to herd immunity and that could stave off the next waves. We should know by September 1st if the Moderna phase 3 trial is successful.

[dice]

I suspect that if we had a graphic showing number of active infections by state (an accurate one) over time, it would look like an ocean wave. It hit NYC first and was the highest there and spread out to Boston, Philly, Chicago, DC next. The wave is now past those places and is peaking in Utah, Arizona, Texas, Florida, etc. The wave now is no where near as high as NYC with nationally infections and deaths being way down but locally it could get ugly in places.

The r0 estimate for this initially in NYC was off the charts. I have seen estimates over 8 and don't forget its an exponential. To put numbers to that, the 1.28 in AK will infect 3.4 people on the 5th jump. An r0 of 8 would hit 32,000. This isn't showing signs of being out of control anywhere in the US (yet).

Professor Murray out of IHME thinks that weather is playing a factor in suppressing r0. That's kind of worrying because we are about a week away from summer equinox. Its all downhill from here.

The big question is if we see a true second wave starting in a city that it already hit. It would be extremely painful if NY, Boston, Philly, Chicago, DC, etc. started getting hit with a true second pulse of infections. As of now, I believe that infections have plummeted in every city that has been hit hard. Some of the cities like Detroit are showing virtually no activity.

agreed, except that the hottest days of the year lag the summer equinox by several weeks (which makes sense because it would at that point be the middle of summer), so if weather is a significant suppressant we've still got months of assistance coming from mother nature

[dice]

Here's to hoping we have a vaccine in mass supply by October. Even if it has a 40% efficacy rate with the amount of people that have had it we would be very close to herd immunity and that could stave off the next waves. We should know by September 1st if the Moderna phase 3 trial is successful.

october is wildly optimistic. even if we have something proven by early next year it would be a record speed of development. and then it has to be manufactured in mass

[coldfish]

I suspect that if we had a graphic showing number of active infections by state (an accurate one) over time, it would look like an ocean wave. It hit NYC first and was the highest there and spread out to Boston, Philly, Chicago, DC next. The wave is now past those places and is peaking in Utah, Arizona, Texas, Florida, etc. The wave now is no where near as high as NYC with nationally infections and deaths being way down but locally it could get ugly in places.

The r0 estimate for this initially in NYC was off the charts. I have seen estimates over 8 and don't forget its an exponential. To put numbers to that, the 1.28 in AK will infect 3.4 people on the 5th jump. An r0 of 8 would hit 32,000. This isn't showing signs of being out of control anywhere in the US (yet).

Professor Murray out of IHME thinks that weather is playing a factor in suppressing r0. That's kind of worrying because we are about a week away from summer equinox. Its all downhill from here.

The big question is if we see a true second wave starting in a city that it already hit. It would be extremely painful if NY, Boston, Philly, Chicago, DC, etc. started getting hit with a true second pulse of infections. As of now, I believe that infections have plummeted in every city that has been hit hard. Some of the cities like Detroit are showing virtually no activity.

agreed, except that the hottest days of the year lag the summer equinox by several weeks (which makes sense because it would at that point be the middle of summer), so if weather is a significant suppressant we've still got months of assistance coming from mother nature

IMO, we basically have until September 1 to:
- Bring the total infection count way down
- Increase testing
- Put contact tracing systems in place that are pretty effective
- Come up with a plan for schools

If we do all of that successfully, I think we avoid a train wreck. If we let this linger at a relatively high volume and open up schools in cooling weather with no systems to contain the virus . . . not good.

[moorhosj]

This is the concern with the right is censorship of free speech and they have a valid argument. People should be able to believe in what they want without being judged by it. It's clear that they aren't able to voice their opinions especially those opinions being that they support Trump these days without consequences.

Nobody was censored so that argument doesn't hold much water. Meanwhile, people all around the world believe whatever they want and nobody knows because they don't publish it. Once you publicly display your views for all to see, you risk being judged.

The right seems to hate the free market when forced to face it's consequences.

[dice]

trump administration trying to explain away the rising infection counts in many states. from NYT:

Vice President Mike Pence encouraged governors on Monday to adopt the administration’s claim that increased testing helps account for the new coronavirus outbreak reports, even though evidence has shown that the explanation is misleading.

On a call with the governors, audio of which was obtained by The New York Times, Mr. Pence urged them “to continue to explain to your citizens the magnitude of the increase in testing” in addressing the new outbreaks.

In fact, seven-day averages in several states with outbreaks have increased since May 31, and in at least 14 states, the positive case rate is increasing faster than the increase in the average number of tests, according to an analysis of data collected by The New York Times.

The vice president played down the overall size of the outbreaks, stressing that some states were seeing what he called “intermittent” spikes of the virus.

meanwhile, miami mayor stalls city's phase 3 reopening. glad somebody in that state has some sense:

https://abcnews.go.com/US/miami-pauses-reopening-floridas-coronavirus-cases-rise/story?id=71254648

and some things never change. as in ancient times, churches are great places for pandemics to flourish. lots of old people to wipe out too:

https://www.whsv.com/content/news/West-Virginia-reports-new-COVID-19-outbreak-at-church-571263431.html