Woj: Some Players getting cold feet about playing in Orlando

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Re: Woj: Some Players getting cold feet about playing in Orlando 

Post#761 » by levon » Tue Jun 16, 2020 4:37 pm

G35 wrote:That is against the Constitution. The President cannot unilaterally dictate policy...otherwise he becomes a king...and that is why they fought to leave British rule.....

What happened after Pearl Harbor? Was FDR like, Hawaii you're on your own, otherwise I'd be no different from King George? The federal government is expected to help in states of emergency. Instead, we heard rhetoric like it's okay for states to compete against each other and private industry for PPE, and that states should declare bankruptcy if necessary.
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Re: Woj: Some Players getting cold feet about playing in Orlando 

Post#762 » by mccluskey » Tue Jun 16, 2020 4:45 pm

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My overall view is my current govt could and should have done a much better job at not leaving this up to states...having a unified message seems ideal in a crisis. This is not political, its a public health issue imo. To me it just seems crazy a guy like harden cant play because of record covid cases in the state they are bubbling in. We shouldn't be hitting 'record numbers'.

Now if you or other posters still think covid is not a threat and we should just go about our lives per usual, we'll just agree to disagree.


I 100% agree with you that the federal response could have been handled better, but I don't really think it would have changed a whole lot about the course of the disease. I want Trump out of office for all kinds of reasons, but I think it's pointless to blame him all that much for coronavirus - a global pandemic on this scale with the lying and obfuscation out of China and the screwups from the WHO and CDC was always going to be a disaster regardless of who's in the White House.

but the second paragraph of your post is a total strawman argument you're making which is not remotely what I said. Nobody said "COVID-19 is no threat, just go about your life per usual", dude.

the NBA is spending millions of dollars, redefining the parameters of their entire operation and taking every possible precaution to help keep these guys safe. Given that approach and the statistics on the likelihood of COVID-19 seriously affecting healthy professional athletes, it is absolutely not unreasonable to ask the players to return to work, the same way that milions of other Americans are doing right now.

and if guys still don't want to play, then fine - nobody should be forced to do it. But ultimately the NBA is a business, and businesses are hemorrhaging money right now, so league owners shouldn't be required to pay those guys' contracts who don't want to return to work.


The latest CDC report, a study of 600,000 people, shows that death was 12 times as high (19.5% to 1.6%) among patients with underlying conditions. So one can understand why someone with asthma or other conditions might be hesitant about joining in on the fun in Orlando.


and like I said a couple of times already in here, anyone with a pre-existing condition like asthma, diabetes, kidney damage, etc. that makes them more susceptible absolutely has a valid reason for not wanting to play. However, just like with the workforce at large, that does not apply to the majority of these dudes and is not why they're carping about returning to work.
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Re: Woj: Some Players getting cold feet about playing in Orlando 

Post#763 » by matt6715 » Tue Jun 16, 2020 4:51 pm

For everyone who so desperately wants the season to start: how do you feel when one of the top 5 guys on your team gets Covid and has to sit out a playoff series? Is it still worth it at that point?
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Re: Woj: Some Players getting cold feet about playing in Orlando 

Post#764 » by G35 » Tue Jun 16, 2020 4:57 pm

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G35 wrote:That is against the Constitution. The President cannot unilaterally dictate policy...otherwise he becomes a king...and that is why they fought to leave British rule.....

What happened after Pearl Harbor? Was FDR like, Hawaii you're on your own, otherwise I'd be no different from King George? The federal government is expected to help in states of emergency. Instead, we heard rhetoric like it's okay for states to compete against each other and private industry for PPE, and that states should declare bankruptcy if necessary.



The federal government does help states, but it does not dictate to states.

The fed cannot just say, "Covid-19 is coming, you all have to shut down for the next six months...We have spoken!"

There are checks and balances, that is why there is so much contention from a lot of the governors and the President. Each state can handle things differently, Florida does not have to handle the pandemic the same as Michigan.....
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Re: Woj: Some Players getting cold feet about playing in Orlando 

Post#765 » by mccluskey » Tue Jun 16, 2020 5:11 pm

Birth of the Cool wrote:Just now, several MLB players and team staff tested positive for Covid-19. Does anyone really think NBA players, and staff, etc will be Covid-Free? The continuing of this season will most likely have to deal with teams missing players due to Covid and/or Covid positive scares with players, staff having it during this time. It's gonna be a mess and not what anyone thinks of as normal NBA caliber. It's just an asterisk waiting to happen.


with the amount of money the league is losing right now I don't think they care about an asterisk.

and personally as a fan I could care less about that either - I seriously doubt a significant percentage of players are going to become infected, and a couple of teams missing guys for the playoffs isn't going to be any different from a fan perspective as what normally happens with injuries anyway.

the hand wringing over this stuff is a little wild to me - the NBA is a business and the players are employees, bottom line. Businesses all across the country are re-opening their doors, and I can't understand why people think it's OK for waiters, store clerks, hairdressers, etc making $40K a year to go back to work right now, yet somehow it's not for professional athletes whose employers are taking every precaution possible (and way more than the average Joe gets) to protect them.

the USAs foremost expert on COVID-19 Dr. Fauci even went on record saying the NBA's plan for returning is a great idea and he approves, yet all of us nerds are still debating it on the internet :lol:
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Re: Woj: Some Players getting cold feet about playing in Orlando 

Post#766 » by G35 » Tue Jun 16, 2020 5:12 pm

Also, our media is so bi-partisan that it is dictating policy. There has been so much disagreement from the WHO and the CDC and changing what is effective and what is not you know this is based on politics and not what the actual results are from labs.

That is why we get conflicting information is because it does not fit the narrative the media wants to portray:

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/06/15/national/science-health/asymptomatic-covid-19-patients/#.Xuj6QkVKhaQ


What are the odds COVID-19 patients with no symptoms could develop them later on?

Quite slim, according to a recent study led by a group of researchers in Aichi Prefecture, who have discovered that asymptomatic coronavirus patients tend to recover within nine days of having their infections confirmed via polymerase chain reaction (PCR) tests.


The findings, involving a study on how the disease developed in 90 people without symptoms who contracted the disease aboard the Diamond Princess cruise ship, were published Friday in the New England Journal of Medicine and showed that only 11 people without symptoms would go on to develop them later.

In this cohort, the majority of asymptomatic infected persons remained asymptomatic throughout the course of their infection,” a team led by Yohei Doi, a doctor and professor of the department of infectious diseases at Fujita Health University, wrote in the report.



American media

https://www.wral.com/coronavirus/fact-check-did-who-admit-asymptomatic-covid-19-spread-is-very-rare/19145685/


Since the outbreak of the novel coronavirus, public health officials have warned that infected people without any detectable symptoms can still spread the virus. That fact is one of the reasons that officials have advised healthy people to wear masks while in public.


While an official with the WHO recently said asymptomatic spread of the coronavirus is "rare," the international public health organization has since walked back those comments — and several of the posts about the WHO’s communication about asymptomatic spread were published after the organization issued its clarification. There is no evidence that the WHO statement was connected to ongoing protests over police brutality, that it shows social distancing rules lack scientific backing, or that the pandemic itself was fabricated.


But on June 9, Van Kerkhove walked back her words in a question-and-answer session. Here’s what she said:

"What I was referring to yesterday in the press conference were a very few studies, some two or three studies, that have been published that actually try to follow asymptomatic cases — so people who are infected — over time, and then look at their contacts and see how many additional people were infected. And that’s a very small subset of studies.

"I was responding to a question at the press conference. I wasn’t stating a policy of WHO or anything like that. I was just trying to articulate what we know. And in that, I used the phrase ‘very rare.’ And I think that that’s a misunderstanding to state that asymptomatic transmission globally is very rare. What I was referring to was a subset of studies. I also referred to data that isn’t published."


In a June 10 interview on "Good Morning America," Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said the WHO’s initial comment "was not correct."

"There’s no evidence to indicate that’s the case. And in fact, the evidence that we have, given the percentage of people — which is about 25% to 45% — of the totality of infected people, likely are without symptoms," he said. "And we know from epidemiological studies they can transmit to someone who is uninfected even when they're without symptoms."

The bottom line: Asymptomatic transmission of COVID-19 does occur. But there’s too much scientific uncertainty to confidently say how big of a problem it is in context of overall spread.



There is obviously some agenda being played because American media and international media are conflicting. So essentially people are siding with their political agendas...as I am doing myself...I have not met one person that has had covid-19 and I live right outside of the Bay area in CA. I'm not saying its not real and I try to be cognizant of those with underlying conditions, but I think the whole thing is overblown......
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Re: Woj: Some Players getting cold feet about playing in Orlando 

Post#767 » by basketballRob » Tue Jun 16, 2020 7:04 pm

matt6715 wrote:For everyone who so desperately wants the season to start: how do you feel when one of the top 5 guys on your team gets Covid and has to sit out a playoff series? Is it still worth it at that point?
I'm sure most players and the league need the money, like all people.

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Post#768 » by azcatz11 » Tue Jun 16, 2020 7:17 pm

matt6715 wrote:For everyone who so desperately wants the season to start: how do you feel when one of the top 5 guys on your team gets Covid and has to sit out a playoff series? Is it still worth it at that point?


No one is forcing anyone to play lol
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Post#769 » by RookieStar » Tue Jun 16, 2020 8:18 pm

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matt6715 wrote:For everyone who so desperately wants the season to start: how do you feel when one of the top 5 guys on your team gets Covid and has to sit out a playoff series? Is it still worth it at that point?


No one is forcing anyone to play lol


Yeah.. I think this should be pounded to the heads of those who still don't get it.

If stars,vets, etc who already earned what they think is more than enough ( from a role player who earned 10m in savings to dwight who probably has 300m with the shoe,contract, etc ) don't want to play.. they don't have to. Let them sit out.

BUT don't drag down players like ( Wes Iwundu who probably has less than 1m GROSS salary or someone who is gunning for that 10m/ year contract next FA signing ) when the league decided to open back again.

Let them sit in their, as Ed Davis said , 20m dollar mansion in ATL , tweeting, playing xbox/ps5, banging their sidechicks and just watch their teammate play and trying to earn that 1 year contract which they probably made in a month.
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Post#770 » by MagicBagley18 » Tue Jun 16, 2020 8:21 pm

matt6715 wrote:For everyone who so desperately wants the season to start: how do you feel when one of the top 5 guys on your team gets Covid and has to sit out a playoff series? Is it still worth it at that point?


The same way I would if a player gets injured during a playoffs series
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Re: Woj: Some Players getting cold feet about playing in Orlando 

Post#771 » by Catchall » Tue Jun 16, 2020 8:28 pm

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Well someone earlier pointed out utah still has the facilities from the winter games a few years back which would have given then more room, more courts, and certainly better weather while in a state doing better with corona. Sure, I doubt nba players are jumping for joy over utah, but it's a start. I'm not sure where else as frankly I don't know anything at all about disney world. And why do they need hotels large enough for 30k people? Seems excessive.


I do not know about the court situation in Utah, but accommodation wise it would be a bunch of private entities. Players are not staying in dorms (if those still even exist). And a bunch of private entities for hotels and dining will cause problems.

With Disney, you are dealing with one owner when it comes to hotel resorts and restaurants therein- Disney. And of course the players do not need 30k rooms, but having that many allows them to quarantine off resorts for MLS and NBA players and allow them to be in a bubble. These resorts also have entertainment and dining options contained within.

Disney was built to be its own little world. That is what makes it such a fantastic option for a bubble.


You'll need to review what utah offers.


The idea behind Utah is that there wouldn't need to be a bubble, per se, because the resorts and facilities are pretty well distanced already. People would just need to follow social-distancing protocols. Maybe parts of the city would be roped off, and NBA personnel could take entire hotels, entire restaurants and clubs, etc. College campuses are empty already.

Saying that Utah naturally has its own social distancing is basically saying that, yes, it can get boring here. But at least it's not 110 degrees like Las Vegas gets. If I were an athlete and I needed to go out on the road for 3 months, I'd want to go to some resort city where I could move around and have a bit of freedom.
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Re: Woj: Some Players getting cold feet about playing in Orlando 

Post#772 » by MartyConlonOnTheRun » Tue Jun 16, 2020 8:28 pm

matt6715 wrote:For everyone who so desperately wants the season to start: how do you feel when one of the top 5 guys on your team gets Covid and has to sit out a playoff series? Is it still worth it at that point?

Not that we would ever know, but depends how he got it. Going out to a club - His own fault similar to JR Smith getting smashed before a finals game, from a disney employee/another player- probably bad luck akin to KD getting injured.

Maybe I'm not evaluating the risk right, but if the players are kept in the bubble and tested daily, the risk of a player getting it is pretty low.
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Post#773 » by MartyConlonOnTheRun » Tue Jun 16, 2020 8:32 pm

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Can you guarantee their safety ? If the answer is no than the player is justified to have concerns . Nba is not a essential business. And we don't even know long term effects of covid, some people are getting scarring in lungs , if a player gets that their career is basically done for long-term

Problem is the reason we can't guarantee their safety is that too many players won't take it seriously enough and the NBA is currently being cheap on the Disney employees. Both sides should agree to a firmer bubble and, yes, I basically guarantee its the safest place in the US.
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Post#774 » by RookieStar » Tue Jun 16, 2020 8:42 pm

MartyConlonOnTheRun wrote:
Pharmcat wrote:
Can you guarantee their safety ? If the answer is no than the player is justified to have concerns . Nba is not a essential business. And we don't even know long term effects of covid, some people are getting scarring in lungs , if a player gets that their career is basically done for long-term

Problem is the reason we can't guarantee their safety is that too many players won't take it seriously enough and the NBA is currently being cheap on the Disney employees. Both sides should agree to a firmer bubble and, yes, I basically guarantee its the safest place in the US.


Yes.. look at S.Korea in this pandemic.. pretty much the platinum standard in trying to contain this in relation to its proximity tochina, where it all started. They pretty much had it contained months ago EXCEPT for just ONE person who didn't listen and escaped protocols and went out to eat at a buffet (supposedly) so yeah.. a whole new smaller cluster got infected and they had to do their containment again.

So yeah, if ALL involved ( those in bubble ) follow protocols.. then yeah risk is waaaaaaaay low.
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Re: Woj: Some Players getting cold feet about playing in Orlando 

Post#775 » by basketballRob » Tue Jun 16, 2020 8:42 pm

MartyConlonOnTheRun wrote:
Pharmcat wrote:
Can you guarantee their safety ? If the answer is no than the player is justified to have concerns . Nba is not a essential business. And we don't even know long term effects of covid, some people are getting scarring in lungs , if a player gets that their career is basically done for long-term

Problem is the reason we can't guarantee their safety is that too many players won't take it seriously enough and the NBA is currently being cheap on the Disney employees. Both sides should agree to a firmer bubble and, yes, I basically guarantee its the safest place in the US.
I'm sure they'll work out all that stuff. Obviously they aren't going to let employees in and out, if they don't allow families. My guess is workers that have no contact with players, such as landscapers, will be allowed to leave. For the limited number of people that have contact with players will likely stay in the bubble.

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Post#776 » by DavidDunn21 » Thu Jun 18, 2020 1:17 am

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levon wrote:Imagine thinking that NBA players, the best at their craft, who most likely worked their way up from an embarrassingly under-served community, are just rich and have no responsibilities. As opposed to the hard-working owners who let their team rot in 10th seed mediocrity every year, bleed money, and have their asset double and triple in value based on what the players are doing on the court.

We wanna watch the players not the owners.

We wanna like the players not the owners.

When the players mock us for wanting to like and watch the players, and when the dumbest narcissist in recent memory leads them expect blowback.


Kyrie should just "Shut up and dribble", right?
I understand that you think you're being clever with that insightful retort, but amusingly Kyrie is the #1 all-time athlete who should think before he speaks and perhaps the greatest dribbler ever.

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Post#777 » by kamaze » Thu Jun 18, 2020 1:23 am

matt6715 wrote:For everyone who so desperately wants the season to start: how do you feel when one of the top 5 guys on your team gets Covid and has to sit out a playoff series? Is it still worth it at that point?


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Post#779 » by LAKESHOW » Thu Jun 18, 2020 4:11 am

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Re: Woj: Some Players getting cold feet about playing in Orlando 

Post#780 » by GhosDini » Thu Jun 18, 2020 2:41 pm

DavidDunn21 wrote:
GhosDini wrote:
DavidDunn21 wrote:We wanna watch the players not the owners.

We wanna like the players not the owners.

When the players mock us for wanting to like and watch the players, and when the dumbest narcissist in recent memory leads them expect blowback.


Kyrie should just "Shut up and dribble", right?
I understand that you think you're being clever with that insightful retort, but amusingly Kyrie is the #1 all-time athlete who should think before he speaks and perhaps the greatest dribbler ever.

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You only think this because Espn commentators have made a big deal put of things he has said.

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