OT: COVID-19 thread #2

[Dresden]

Gotta close loose ends.

Several weeks ago, I shared that my 83 year-old brother-in-law got Covid. They sent him to the hospital where he recovered and they sent him back to the rehab center he had contracted the virus. Then they sent him home...where he infected my 84 year-old sister, my niece and her husband. He then had a pneumonia relapse and died on June 10. My sister, niece and her husband are recovering well. This Thursday, we'll have a "drive by" burial ceremony with everyone staying in their cars. A celebration of his life will be held at some date in the future when it's safe for us to gather.

I won't be hypocritical, I've taken advantage of the loosening of restrictions, most notably by playing golf a couple times each week. This said, I encourage everyone to continue to respect the very real danger this virus still holds particularly for older people with whom you regularly interact. Masks, distance, hand-washing...you know the drill. Maintain your discipline. You can do it. Please do it.

I'm sorry to hear about your brother in law, but glad that your sister and niece are both recovering. I wonder how it happened that they could send him home when he was still infectious.

[dice]

Back during the "open up" protests, there were surveys done and something like 80% or more of people agreed with the lockdowns. The media profits off of making it look like there are two equal sides but there largely isn't. We are in a depression level contraction with a 100 year pandemic. I'm in Ohio and I know republicans who refused to vote for Obama who fully intend on voting for Biden. Trump is going to lose this by an epic Mondale like manner as long as Biden doesn't go hard left and scare off the middle.

that is simply not a realistic outcome given how divided the nation has been starting in the '90s with the "gingrich revolution." the bare minimum electoral votes in the bag for trump is 68. with another 51 all but guaranteed. and trump would have to continue to double down on incompetence in the remaining months before the election to produce a result like that

reagan 525 mondale 13
bush 426 dukakis 111
obama 365 mccain 173
biden 332 trump 206 (current bettor projection)

trump would probably have to be viewed on election day as a significantly more unfavorable candidate than obama was a favorable one in order for biden to surpass obama's electoral total. getting to bush's 426 total is a tall order. again, the nation simply wasn't as polarized in 1988

biden won't go hard left. he's carefully positioned himself in the meaty center of the democratic party his entire career. for example, he's getting a ton of pressure to choose a black woman as his VP. so what i'm betting he'll do is pick the most mainstream black woman he can find: kamala harris. the far left will pitch a fit because she's a former prosecutor, which doesn't exactly jive with the mission of the BLM movement

Kamala Harris is the type of pick that opens the door for Trump (even if its just a crack). Biden has to make this a referendum on the Donald, which he has done so far. IMO, Biden should pick an unknown rather bland candidate with no controversial past.

Obama ran against competent candidates, like them or not. Biden is going to be running against a person that a lot of people in his own party don't even like. As long as Biden can keep the far left from destroying his campaign, this really should be an epic blowout. There are a lot of states like Texas, Georgia, Ohio, Iowa, etc. that always go red which could go blue.

I do think he gets it. Him coming out and saying "if you make less than 400k, I won't raise your taxes" and other such comments are taking republican talking points off the table.

his campaign looks really well managed so far. he also said that he's not interested in defunding the police, which takes that talking point off the table as well. and his handlers are wisely keeping him out of the public eye to the extent that is reasonable. they should be spending this time drilling measured sound bytes into his head. robo joe

[Bulls69]

that is simply not a realistic outcome given how divided the nation has been starting in the '90s with the "gingrich revolution." the bare minimum electoral votes in the bag for trump is 68. with another 51 all but guaranteed. and trump would have to continue to double down on incompetence in the remaining months before the election to produce a result like that

reagan 525 mondale 13
bush 426 dukakis 111
obama 365 mccain 173
biden 332 trump 206 (current bettor projection)

trump would probably have to be viewed on election day as a significantly more unfavorable candidate than obama was a favorable one in order for biden to surpass obama's electoral total. getting to bush's 426 total is a tall order. again, the nation simply wasn't as polarized in 1988

biden won't go hard left. he's carefully positioned himself in the meaty center of the democratic party his entire career. for example, he's getting a ton of pressure to choose a black woman as his VP. so what i'm betting he'll do is pick the most mainstream black woman he can find: kamala harris. the far left will pitch a fit because she's a former prosecutor, which doesn't exactly jive with the mission of the BLM movement

Kamala Harris is the type of pick that opens the door for Trump (even if its just a crack). Biden has to make this a referendum on the Donald, which he has done so far. IMO, Biden should pick an unknown rather bland candidate with no controversial past.

Obama ran against competent candidates, like them or not. Biden is going to be running against a person that a lot of people in his own party don't even like. As long as Biden can keep the far left from destroying his campaign, this really should be an epic blowout. There are a lot of states like Texas, Georgia, Ohio, Iowa, etc. that always go red which could go blue.

I do think he gets it. Him coming out and saying "if you make less than 400k, I won't raise your taxes" and other such comments are taking republican talking points off the table.

his campaign looks really well managed so far. he also said that he's not interested in defunding the police, which takes that talking point off the table as well. and his handlers are wisely keeping him out of the public eye to the extent that is reasonable. they should be spending this time drilling measured sound bytes into his head. robo joe

Biden did mention he was not interested in Defunding the Police Doubt he picks Kamala Harris as his running mate she will be the next AG my gut tells me Susan Rice will be his running mate.

[Chi town]

The Dem candidate should beat Trump without any resistance given the current pandemic catastrophe and racial injustice. I just don’t think Biden has the physical strength to make it through Trumps relentless attacks. He looks very fragile and in significant decline. Kinda like a 37yr old NBA player way past his prime being asked to play 40mpg and carry the team. Lots of my friends of color that have voted Dem their whole life have said they won’t vote for him nor Trump. Sad all around.

[dice]

Kamala Harris is the type of pick that opens the door for Trump (even if its just a crack). Biden has to make this a referendum on the Donald, which he has done so far. IMO, Biden should pick an unknown rather bland candidate with no controversial past.

Obama ran against competent candidates, like them or not. Biden is going to be running against a person that a lot of people in his own party don't even like. As long as Biden can keep the far left from destroying his campaign, this really should be an epic blowout. There are a lot of states like Texas, Georgia, Ohio, Iowa, etc. that always go red which could go blue.

I do think he gets it. Him coming out and saying "if you make less than 400k, I won't raise your taxes" and other such comments are taking republican talking points off the table.

his campaign looks really well managed so far. he also said that he's not interested in defunding the police, which takes that talking point off the table as well. and his handlers are wisely keeping him out of the public eye to the extent that is reasonable. they should be spending this time drilling measured sound bytes into his head. robo joe

Biden did mention he was not interested in Defunding the Police Doubt he picks Kamala Harris as his running mate she will be the next AG my gut tells me Susan Rice will be his running mate.

yeah, susan rice has emerged as a candidate as well. another uncontroversial pick

[lemonmellow]

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[coldfish]

his campaign looks really well managed so far. he also said that he's not interested in defunding the police, which takes that talking point off the table as well. and his handlers are wisely keeping him out of the public eye to the extent that is reasonable. they should be spending this time drilling measured sound bytes into his head. robo joe

Biden did mention he was not interested in Defunding the Police Doubt he picks Kamala Harris as his running mate she will be the next AG my gut tells me Susan Rice will be his running mate.

yeah, susan rice has emerged as a candidate as well. another uncontroversial pick

Rice is a better pick. Her only public controversy is involvement in the Russia hacking thing and if Trump wants to make that a cornerstone of his election campaign, he can go right ahead.

[Dresden]

I think Susan Rice would be an excellent choice, and make a good president as well. My one concern with her is that she doesn't have a geographic constituency in a key area the way Val Demmings does in FLA.

[Dresden]

6 members of Trump's advance campaign team in Tulsa have tested positive for COVID 19. This has all the makings of a disaster- not only medically, but politically. During the 1919 flu pandemic, Philadelphia held a parade for WW1 vets and it caused a cascade of cases in the city, making it one of the hardest hit metro areas in the country. This rally could easily become a similarly signal event. It's like walking in front of a speeding car, and believing that you won't be hurt. It just defies all medical findings. And it could well be a turning point for the Trump campaign. For one thing, if there is a spike, it's going to make each subsequent rally he holds a more significant test of how far his true believers are willing to follow him.

[PlayerUp]

The Dem candidate should beat Trump without any resistance given the current pandemic catastrophe and racial injustice. I just don’t think Biden has the physical strength to make it through Trumps relentless attacks. He looks very fragile and in significant decline. Kinda like a 37yr old NBA player way past his prime being asked to play 40mpg and carry the team. Lots of my friends of color that have voted Dem their whole life have said they won’t vote for him nor Trump. Sad all around.

People need to see if Biden on the stage actually go up against Trump here. No doubt Biden looks weak but it's his mind that trails off and that's the key issue with him. You don't see that with Bernie or Bloomberg who are the same age as Biden. He'll be 82 in 2024. Even if he wins good chance he will not be able to go a 2nd term here. Does he step down or does he try to go up for re-election?

Overall this is the weakest group of candidates for president that I can recall in sometime.

[PlayerUp]

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It doesn't surprise me and we'll likely never know the truth about where COVID-19 started. Reports indicating it may have been in the US since anyone even know about it and been in China since Summer.

[transplant]

Gotta close loose ends.

Several weeks ago, I shared that my 83 year-old brother-in-law got Covid. They sent him to the hospital where he recovered and they sent him back to the rehab center he had contracted the virus. Then they sent him home...where he infected my 84 year-old sister, my niece and her husband. He then had a pneumonia relapse and died on June 10. My sister, niece and her husband are recovering well. This Thursday, we'll have a "drive by" burial ceremony with everyone staying in their cars. A celebration of his life will be held at some date in the future when it's safe for us to gather.

I won't be hypocritical, I've taken advantage of the loosening of restrictions, most notably by playing golf a couple times each week. This said, I encourage everyone to continue to respect the very real danger this virus still holds particularly for older people with whom you regularly interact. Masks, distance, hand-washing...you know the drill. Maintain your discipline. You can do it. Please do it.

I'm sorry to hear about your brother in law, but glad that your sister and niece are both recovering. I wonder how it happened that they could send him home when he was still infectious.

Not surprisingly, I had the same thought. WTF.

[TheStig]

The Dem candidate should beat Trump without any resistance given the current pandemic catastrophe and racial injustice. I just don’t think Biden has the physical strength to make it through Trumps relentless attacks. He looks very fragile and in significant decline. Kinda like a 37yr old NBA player way past his prime being asked to play 40mpg and carry the team. Lots of my friends of color that have voted Dem their whole life have said they won’t vote for him nor Trump. Sad all around.

People need to see if Biden on the stage actually go up against Trump here. No doubt Biden looks weak but it's his mind that trails off and that's the key issue with him. You don't see that with Bernie or Bloomberg who are the same age as Biden. He'll be 82 in 2024. Even if he wins good chance he will not be able to go a 2nd term here. Does he step down or does he try to go up for re-election?

Overall this is the weakest group of candidates for president that I can recall in sometime.

There are 3 reasons I think Trump has a strong chance of being reelected.

1. He's the incumbent.
2. Hillary led more in polls at this point and lost.
3. Biden had 1 halfway decent debate. Trump is going to clown him on national tv multiple times. It's going to be nasty.

I wouldn't be surprised if he won by a wide margin. The Dems blew this one by picking a really weak corporate democratic candidate. Biden is gone. No one cares about the VP. Pence is not well liked at all and it doesn't hurt trump.

[Dresden]

The Dem candidate should beat Trump without any resistance given the current pandemic catastrophe and racial injustice. I just don’t think Biden has the physical strength to make it through Trumps relentless attacks. He looks very fragile and in significant decline. Kinda like a 37yr old NBA player way past his prime being asked to play 40mpg and carry the team. Lots of my friends of color that have voted Dem their whole life have said they won’t vote for him nor Trump. Sad all around.

People need to see if Biden on the stage actually go up against Trump here. No doubt Biden looks weak but it's his mind that trails off and that's the key issue with him. You don't see that with Bernie or Bloomberg who are the same age as Biden. He'll be 82 in 2024. Even if he wins good chance he will not be able to go a 2nd term here. Does he step down or does he try to go up for re-election?

Overall this is the weakest group of candidates for president that I can recall in sometime.

There are 3 reasons I think Trump has a strong chance of being reelected.

1. He's the incumbent.
2. Hillary led more in polls at this point and lost.
3. Biden had 1 halfway decent debate. Trump is going to clown him on national tv multiple times. It's going to be nasty.

I wouldn't be surprised if he won by a wide margin. The Dems blew this one by picking a really weak corporate democratic candidate. Biden is gone. No one cares about the VP. Pence is not well liked at all and it doesn't hurt trump.

The democrats had some strong debaters on stage with Biden, and everyone kept expecting Biden to lose ground when he had to debate. But it didn't really happen. All he had to do was not completely fall on his face, and he managed to do that in all the democrats debates, for the most part. I expect it will be the same with Trump- Trump will try to use his name calling and his bullying tactics, and Biden will just let them roll off, or he'll respond and give it back. Either way, I think Biden will hold his own, and Trump is just going to look like the bellicose idiot that he is.

Plus, this time around Trump has to run on his record these past 3 years, and that's not going to be in his favor- 1) being impeached, 2) doing a terrible job with the pandemic, and 3) seeing the economy shed 20 million jobs or so.

[TheStig]

People need to see if Biden on the stage actually go up against Trump here. No doubt Biden looks weak but it's his mind that trails off and that's the key issue with him. You don't see that with Bernie or Bloomberg who are the same age as Biden. He'll be 82 in 2024. Even if he wins good chance he will not be able to go a 2nd term here. Does he step down or does he try to go up for re-election?

Overall this is the weakest group of candidates for president that I can recall in sometime.

There are 3 reasons I think Trump has a strong chance of being reelected.

1. He's the incumbent.
2. Hillary led more in polls at this point and lost.
3. Biden had 1 halfway decent debate. Trump is going to clown him on national tv multiple times. It's going to be nasty.

I wouldn't be surprised if he won by a wide margin. The Dems blew this one by picking a really weak corporate democratic candidate. Biden is gone. No one cares about the VP. Pence is not well liked at all and it doesn't hurt trump.

The democrats had some strong debaters on stage with Biden, and everyone kept expecting Biden to lose ground when he had to debate. But it didn't really happen. All he had to do was not completely fall on his face, and he managed to do that in all the democrats debates, for the most part. I expect it will be the same with Trump- Trump will try to use his name calling and his bullying tactics, and Biden will just let them roll off, or he'll respond and give it back. Either way, I think Biden will hold his own, and Trump is just going to look like the bellicose idiot that he is.

Plus, this time around Trump has to run on his record these past 3 years, and that's not going to be in his favor- 1) being impeached, 2) doing a terrible job with the pandemic, and 3) seeing the economy shed 20 million jobs or so.

Yes, they had some strong debaters and when they were all on stage Biden was losing in the polls to most of them. It wasn't till the massive drop out (of people beating him) and just left Biden, Warren and Sanders that he actually started winning. It's not a surprise when they consolidated all of his competition and left Warren to siphon off Sanders votes that Biden came out ahead. I don't see Trump stepping aside for him.

Biden came in as the big favorite, lost all that ground during the actual competitions, all of his direct competition consolidated and dropped out and he won super Tuesday and then covid happened. The actual competition has been pathetic. And he's not going to hold his ground against trump. Trump is going beat the hell out of him and actually call on all his weaknesses and muck it up.

And the sad thing is, that the democrats could have actually ran a clean candidate with different ideas and made it a race. But Biden will likely lose the electoral by at least 100 unless Covid comes back bad in the fall worse or the economy falls apart. Because with the stock market going up will mitigate the loss in the press.

And I'm no trump or biden fan. I think neither of these guys will be good and I'm tired of the corporate politcs we have in this country.

[dice]

People need to see if Biden on the stage actually go up against Trump here. No doubt Biden looks weak but it's his mind that trails off and that's the key issue with him. You don't see that with Bernie or Bloomberg who are the same age as Biden. He'll be 82 in 2024. Even if he wins good chance he will not be able to go a 2nd term here. Does he step down or does he try to go up for re-election?

Overall this is the weakest group of candidates for president that I can recall in sometime.

There are 3 reasons I think Trump has a strong chance of being reelected.

1. He's the incumbent.
2. Hillary led more in polls at this point and lost.
3. Biden had 1 halfway decent debate. Trump is going to clown him on national tv multiple times. It's going to be nasty.

I wouldn't be surprised if he won by a wide margin. The Dems blew this one by picking a really weak corporate democratic candidate. Biden is gone. No one cares about the VP. Pence is not well liked at all and it doesn't hurt trump.

The democrats had some strong debaters on stage with Biden, and everyone kept expecting Biden to lose ground when he had to debate. But it didn't really happen. All he had to do was not completely fall on his face, and he managed to do that in all the democrats debates, for the most part. I expect it will be the same with Trump- Trump will try to use his name calling and his bullying tactics, and Biden will just let them roll off, or he'll respond and give it back. Either way, I think Biden will hold his own, and Trump is just going to look like the bellicose idiot that he is.

Plus, this time around Trump has to run on his record these past 3 years, and that's not going to be in his favor- 1) being impeached, 2) doing a terrible job with the pandemic, and 3) seeing the economy shed 20 million jobs or so.

trump is not capable of "clowning" anybody in a debate

"when his show didn't get an emmy, he claimed the emmys were rigged" - clinton
"should've gotten it" - trump

"putin, from what i see, has no respect for hillary"
"that's because he would rather have a puppet as president"
"i'm not a puppet. you're the puppet"

"i think my strongest asset by far is my temperament. i have a winning temperament"

"under a president clinton we will have a 2nd amendment that is a small replica of what it is today"

"i know nothing about russia"

"you've been fighting ISIS your entire adult life" - trump to clinton

donald trump the debater

[dice]

FL governor blames spike in COVID-19 cases on "overwhelmingly hispanic" day laborers and ag workers. problem is, most of the new cases are in non-ag areas and most of those workers have moved north to follow the harvest

[Dresden]

I don't think Trump is much of a debater. He's a showman, and he caught a lot of people off guard in 2016, including Hillary.

Biden was losing in the polls because there were too many pulling away the moderate votes, like Buttigieg and Klobuchar. Once they dropped out, the field was all his, and when Bernie couldn't get the AA vote to go his way, it was effectively over.

In all the post debate analysis I read, critics typically would say something about Biden like "well, he didn't win the debate, but he didn't have to either. And he didn't do anything to lose support, and even had one or two strong moments".

So I don't think his debate performances ever really cost him any support. All he had to do was be the last man standing in the moderate camp, and he managed to do that.

I was a Bernie or Elizabeth Warren supporter myself, so I"m no fan of Biden either, but I still think a Biden presidency is worth supporting, given the alternative is Trump.

[TheStig]

There are 3 reasons I think Trump has a strong chance of being reelected.

1. He's the incumbent.
2. Hillary led more in polls at this point and lost.
3. Biden had 1 halfway decent debate. Trump is going to clown him on national tv multiple times. It's going to be nasty.

I wouldn't be surprised if he won by a wide margin. The Dems blew this one by picking a really weak corporate democratic candidate. Biden is gone. No one cares about the VP. Pence is not well liked at all and it doesn't hurt trump.

The democrats had some strong debaters on stage with Biden, and everyone kept expecting Biden to lose ground when he had to debate. But it didn't really happen. All he had to do was not completely fall on his face, and he managed to do that in all the democrats debates, for the most part. I expect it will be the same with Trump- Trump will try to use his name calling and his bullying tactics, and Biden will just let them roll off, or he'll respond and give it back. Either way, I think Biden will hold his own, and Trump is just going to look like the bellicose idiot that he is.

Plus, this time around Trump has to run on his record these past 3 years, and that's not going to be in his favor- 1) being impeached, 2) doing a terrible job with the pandemic, and 3) seeing the economy shed 20 million jobs or so.

trump is not capable of "clowning" anybody in a debate

"when his show didn't get an emmy, he claimed the emmys were rigged" - clinton
"should've gotten it" - trump

"putin, from what i see, has no respect for hillary"
"that's because he would rather have a puppet as president"
"i'm not a puppet. you're the puppet"

"i think my strongest asset by far is my temperament. i have a winning temperament"

"under a president clinton we will have a 2nd amendment that is a small replica of what it is today"

"i know nothing about russia"

"you've been fighting ISIS your entire adult life" - trump to clinton

donald trump the debater

He mucks it up so that it's impossible for the other party to win. That's his super talent. He's going to muck it up against biden and biden is going to forget what's going on.

[Dresden]

FL governor blames spike in COVID-19 cases on "overwhelmingly hispanic" day laborers and ag workers. problem is, most of the new cases are in non-ag areas and most of those workers have moved north to follow the harvest

Another Trump acolyte who can't be bothered to let facts get in the way of a good sound bite.