Ghost of Kleine wrote: I have to agree with Wilber, Markannen would be great, But as Week mentioned already, Oubre has been the better player this season. I'd do Oubre straight up for him, But in no way, shape or ffg form would I give up our pick AND Oubre too. That's just an unnecessary overpay given Markannens' current deficiencies. And this is coming from a big Markannen advocate too.
The 10 could still very well not us a premium cost controlled backup guard prospect, Or a 3 and D power forward from this draft. Affording us a larger chunk of cap space for free agency whilst filling roster needs too. Oubre for Markannen straight up, Or no deal. Unless, They're ( Chicago) willing to do Oubre/ Diallo/ 10th pick for Markannen/ 7th pick ???
Gambo reported that the Bulls would want Oubre and the pick. If Markkanen forces his way out I think a straight up deal gets it done. But they have changed over their front office so maybe they convince him to stay? Maybe they dont like him as much?
I'm not a Markkanen fan. He doesn't shoot well enough to have that rep and he doesnt defend the rim. He is in the 35th percentile in PSA (points per shot attempt). He doesnt block shots or get a lot of steals or deflections. 20th percentile in blocks.[/url]
You know who gets blocks and steals? Kelly Oubre! If we can't pay the man, I'd rather watch him walk than commit to a downgrade.
I love what Oubre brings, However, IF we are destined to lose him in free agency or can't afford to pay him what he'll get in free agency, Then I'd rather get something of value as opposed to letting another player walk for nothing. That's just poor asset management in my opinion. Now I of course wouldn't attach any additional assets along with Oubre for certain players. And I would prefer to keep him, As long as it's not at an excessive amount.
But I would do the Orlando trade, Wherein we send Oubre/ 10th pick for Gordon/ Ennis 3rd (* defensive stopper / 2 guard)/ 15th pick.
15- Draft either Kira Lewis. Backup guard/ future starter! Then I'd look to trade Kaminsky/ Diallo/Okobo/ future conditional 2nd to Dallas for the 18th/ 31st pick. 18- Draft Jalen Smith or Tyler Bey. Backup 4/5. 31- Draft Immanuel Quickly. Backup 2 guard/ 6th man scorer.
So again, IF we really are considering trading Oubre, Then a trade like this one, Or a trade back with one of Boston/ Minnesota or Dallas, that can address multiple needs is just better than to let him walk for no return at all. I mean, We could technically walk out of draft night with:
- Aaron Gordon. A ultra athletic defensive power forward with Arizona ties, who's on a very good cost controlled descending contract. - James Ennis 3rd. A tough defensive stopper at the 2 guard that also shoots the 3 at around 35%. - Kira Lewis. *** Dennis Schroder. An ultra fast, potent, versatile scoring guard. - Jalen Smith.*** Serge Ibaka. An elite shotblocker/ rebounder. That can also hit the three at around 37%. - Immanuel Quickly. ***Seth Curry. An absolutely lethal shooter, And a plus defender with a 6'10 wingspan.
But best of all, Is that this would allow us to maintain a healthy amount of cap space for free agency, As we've addressed both of our roster holes and roster issues at a combined 6 million or less.
Good discussion on multiple points. - Impact of Oubre being out of the Orlando Bubble. As well as the potential implications during a contract year. - possible lineup variations. - Who should start at the 4 in Orlando. - Considerations around Oubres' contract, And the potential salary implications it may have on the Bridges and Ayton extensions. - potential free agency prospects for the suns power forward interests. - potential trade fits for the 4. (* Tobias Harris anyone)???
Even though I wanted to see the team full healthy it will be good for us to see the team without Oubre to evaluate the future structure of the roster and our plans for guys like Saric, Carter, and Bridges.
I'm torn apart about re-signing of Oubre can we pay all core pieces of the team (Booker, Ayton, Oubre, Bridges) and does it actually worth it? My biggest fear is not the loss of basketball skills that Oubre adds or his beautiful face, it is actually energy and hustle that he brings. He was exceptional this year and we definitely need people like this in the roster as long as our pillars are Booker and Ayton. I remember the time when we gave away Tucker and how much I notice the absence of his personality. That's why I'm also reluctant to let someone like Jevon Carter go too.
Markkanen would be cool but that means you kinda go with an outdated roster comparing to rest of the league is shaping up. A big SF like Covington might be a better idea and actually Oubre can be the best fit depends on his salary.
Jerami Grant is still my favorite player for us to go after in free agency. Perfect defender for his position and if we lose Baynes I would give him a lot of minutes at the 5 too. Also I still want to re-sign Saric because his value is probably all time low and dude will always be a smart player and a good professional. If we keep him for cheap he can be a valuable piece in the future.
Finally HELL NOO! to the idea of trading for Harris. His contract is insanely bad.
Stark wrote:Even though I wanted to see the team full healthy it will be good for us to see the team without Oubre to evaluate the future structure of the roster and our plans for guys like Saric, Carter, and Bridges.
I'm torn apart about re-signing of Oubre can we pay all core pieces of the team (Booker, Ayton, Oubre, Bridges) and does it actually worth it? My biggest fear is not the loss of basketball skills that Oubre adds or his beautiful face, it is actually energy and hustle that he brings. He was exceptional this year and we definitely need people like this in the roster as long as our pillars are Booker and Ayton. I remember the time when we gave away Tucker and how much I notice the absence of his personality. That's why I'm also reluctant to let someone like Jevon Carter go too.
Markkanen would be cool but that means you kinda go with an outdated roster comparing to rest of the league is shaping up. A big SF like Covington might be a better idea and actually Oubre can be the best fit depends on his salary.
Jerami Grant is still my favorite player for us to go after in free agency. Perfect defender for his position and if we lose Baynes I would give him a lot of minutes at the 5 too. Also I still want to re-sign Saric because his value is probably all time low and dude will always be a smart player and a good professional. If we keep him for cheap he can be a valuable piece in the future.
Finally HELL NOO! to the idea of trading for Harris. His contract is insanely bad.
And I basically agree with everything that you mentioned, With the only exception being Saric. I'd only resign him at 6 million tops, as a backup 4. But then when considering that we also have Kaminsky on a 5 million team option, I'd probably just renounce Saric to clear his 10 million cap hold and replace him with the cheaper option in Kaminsky at 5 million if it came down to it.
As for Tobias Harris, He'd be great for us, But Yes! I agree, No one is touching that contract. Now IF we could find a 3rd team with a ton of cap space to take him on in a three way trade, Then sure, I'd be down for that. Maybe either Detroit ( Send him back home). Or maybe to Atlanta or perhaps to Charlotte???
Phoenix/ Philly/ Detroit/ Charlotte- http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y7exg7tn . ***Phoenix also gets Philly's 22nd overall pick. - And Charlottes' 32nd overall pick. 10- Draft Devin Vassell. 22- Jalen Smith. 32- Draft Immanuel Quickly.
Phoenix/ Philly/ Charlotte- http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yasdza5c ***Phoenix also gets Philadelphias' 22nd pick. *** Charlottes' 32nd pick. At 10- Draft Devin Vassell or Aaron Nesmith ( Oubre replacement). 22- Draft Grant Riller. 32- Draft Paul Reed or Precious Achiuwa.
Phoenix/ Philly/ New York- http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yck966te *** Phoenix also gets: - Philly's 22nd pick this year. - New Yorks' 27th pick this draft, AND THE DALLAS UNPROTECTED 2021 FIRST. 10- Draft Devin Vassell. 22- Draft Grant Riller. 27- Draft Jalen Smith or Paul Reed.
Phoenix/ Philly/ Orlando- http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y8qqn9pb ***Phoenix also swaps picks with Orlando, The 10 for the 15. And also gets Philly's 22nd overall And the 34th overall pick in this draft. 15- Draft Aaron Nesmith. Backup 2/3. 22- Draft Grant Riller. Backup 1/2. 34- Draft Paul Reed.
*** Reed can fill in at either the backup 3/4 or occasionally as a small ball 5.
WeekapaugGroove wrote:I'm disappointed we won't get to see more of the Rubio Booker Bridges oubre ayton lineup. But I'm not someone who critizes players when it comes to returning from injury, I have no idea how the knee feels and if he's not ready then he shouldn't play.
That lineup is sweet. Looking at nba.com lineup data right now and every lineup that is Rubio + Booker crushes which is impressive as it's probably against opposing starters ~all the time. Rubio + Boooker +...
Oubre Saric Baynes +6.4 245 min Oubre Mikal Ayton +20.2 226 min Oubre Saric Kaminsky +6.6 154 min Mikal Saric Ayton +2.5 105 min Oubre Saric Ayton -4.1 90 min Mikal Saric Baynes +17.2 55 min Oubre Mikal Baynes +26.7 51 min
Not sure why the Oubre-Saric-Ayton lineup couldn't score (96.4 ORtg, 100.5 DRtg). It seems like a lineup I'd expect to work real nice. The only other 5-man lineups with 49+ minutes are Okobo-Booker-Mikal-Oubre-Ayton -8.5 54 min (Okobo for Rubio = 28.7 points/100 worse) and Tyler-Booker-Oubre-Saric-Kaminsky -24.3 49 minutes (Tyler for Rubio = 30.9 points/100 worse)
Stark wrote:Even though I wanted to see the team full healthy it will be good for us to see the team without Oubre to evaluate the future structure of the roster and our plans for guys like Saric, Carter, and Bridges.
I'm torn apart about re-signing of Oubre can we pay all core pieces of the team (Booker, Ayton, Oubre, Bridges) and does it actually worth it? My biggest fear is not the loss of basketball skills that Oubre adds or his beautiful face, it is actually energy and hustle that he brings. He was exceptional this year and we definitely need people like this in the roster as long as our pillars are Booker and Ayton. I remember the time when we gave away Tucker and how much I notice the absence of his personality. That's why I'm also reluctant to let someone like Jevon Carter go too.
Markkanen would be cool but that means you kinda go with an outdated roster comparing to rest of the league is shaping up. A big SF like Covington might be a better idea and actually Oubre can be the best fit depends on his salary.
Jerami Grant is still my favorite player for us to go after in free agency. Perfect defender for his position and if we lose Baynes I would give him a lot of minutes at the 5 too. Also I still want to re-sign Saric because his value is probably all time low and dude will always be a smart player and a good professional. If we keep him for cheap he can be a valuable piece in the future.
Finally HELL NOO! to the idea of trading for Harris. His contract is insanely bad.
And I basically agree with everything that you mentioned, With the only exception being Saric. I'd only resign him at 6 million tops, as a backup 4. But then when considering that we also have Kaminsky on a 5 million team option, I'd probably just renounce Saric to clear his 10 million cap hold and replace him with the cheaper option in Kaminsky at 5 million if it came down to it.
As for Tobias Harris, He'd be great for us, But Yes! I agree, No one is touching that contract. Now IF we could find a 3rd team with a ton of cap space to take him on in a three way trade, Then sure, I'd be down for that. Maybe either Detroit ( Send him back home). Or maybe to Atlanta or perhaps to Charlotte???
Spoiler:
Phoenix/ Philly/ Detroit/ Charlotte- http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y7exg7tn . ***Phoenix also gets Philly's 22nd overall pick. - And Charlottes' 32nd overall pick. 10- Draft Devin Vassell. 22- Jalen Smith. 32- Draft Immanuel Quickly.
Phoenix/ Philly/ Charlotte- http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yasdza5c ***Phoenix also gets Philadelphias' 22nd pick. *** Charlottes' 32nd pick. At 10- Draft Devin Vassell or Aaron Nesmith ( Oubre replacement). 22- Draft Grant Riller. 32- Draft Paul Reed or Precious Achiuwa.
Phoenix/ Philly/ New York- http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yck966te *** Phoenix also gets: - Philly's 22nd pick this year. - New Yorks' 27th pick this draft, AND THE DALLAS UNPROTECTED 2021 FIRST. 10- Draft Devin Vassell. 22- Draft Grant Riller. 27- Draft Jalen Smith or Paul Reed.
Phoenix/ Philly/ Orlando- http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y8qqn9pb ***Phoenix also swaps picks with Orlando, The 10 for the 15. And also gets Philly's 22nd overall And the 34th overall pick in this draft. 15- Draft Aaron Nesmith. Backup 2/3. 22- Draft Grant Riller. Backup 1/2. 34- Draft Paul Reed.
*** Reed can fill in at either the backup 3/4 or occasionally as a small ball 5.
Charlotte is in rebuild mode. They supposedly weren't willing to trade all of their young assets in a deal for Beal a couple years ago. They aren't taking on the Horford or Griffin contracts. They are so far from win-now that it's the type of trade that sets them back more years.
team (Booker, Ayton, Oubre, Bridges) and does it actually worth it? My biggest fear is not the loss of basketball skills that Oubre adds or his beautiful face, it is actually energy and hustle that he brings. He was exceptional this year and we definitely need people like this in the roster as long as our pillars are Booker and Ayton. I remember the time when we gave away Tucker and how much I notice the absence of his personality. That's why I'm also reluctant to let someone like Jevon Carter go too.
Markkanen would be cool but that means you kinda go with an outdated roster comparing to rest of the league is shaping up. A big SF like Covington might be a better idea and actually Oubre can be the best fit depends on his salary.
Jerami Grant is still my favorite player for us to go after in free agency. Perfect defender for his position and if we lose Baynes I would give him a lot of minutes at the 5 too. Also I still want to re-sign Saric because his value is probably all time low and dude will always be a smart player and a good professional. If we keep him for cheap he can be a valuable piece in the future.
Finally HELL NOO! to the idea of trading for Harris. His contract is insanely bad.
And I basically agree with everything that you mentioned, With the only exception being Saric. I'd only resign him at 6 million tops, as a backup 4. But then when considering that we also have Kaminsky on a 5 million team option, I'd probably just renounce Saric to clear his 10 million cap hold and replace him with the cheaper option in Kaminsky at 5 million if it came down to it.
As for Tobias Harris, He'd be great for us, But Yes! I agree, No one is touching that contract. Now IF we could find a 3rd team with a ton of cap space to take him on in a three way trade, Then sure, I'd be down for that. Maybe either Detroit ( Send him back home). Or maybe to Atlanta or perhaps to Charlotte???
[spoiler]Phoenix/ Philly/ Detroit/ Charlotte- http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y7exg7tn . ***Phoenix also gets Philly's 22nd overall pick. - And Charlottes' 32nd overall pick. 10- Draft Devin Vassell. 22- Jalen Smith. 32- Draft Immanuel Quickly.
Phoenix/ Philly/ Charlotte- http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yasdza5c ***Phoenix also gets Philadelphias' 22nd pick. *** Charlottes' 32nd pick. At 10- Draft Devin Vassell or Aaron Nesmith ( Oubre replacement). 22- Draft Grant Riller. 32- Draft Paul Reed or Precious Achiuwa.
Phoenix/ Philly/ New York- http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yck966te *** Phoenix also gets: - Philly's 22nd pick this year. - New Yorks' 27th pick this draft, AND THE DALLAS UNPROTECTED 2021 FIRST. 10- Draft Devin Vassell. 22- Draft Grant Riller. 27- Draft Jalen Smith or Paul Reed.
Phoenix/ Philly/ Orlando- http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y8qqn9pb ***Phoenix also swaps picks with Orlando, The 10 for the 15. And also gets Philly's 22nd overall And the 34th overall pick in this draft. 15- Draft Aaron Nesmith. Backup 2/3. 22- Draft Grant Riller. Backup 1/2. 34- Draft Paul Reed.
*** Reed can fill in at either the backup 3/4 or occasionally as a small ball 5.
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Charlotte is in rebuild mode. They supposedly weren't willing to trade all of their young assets in a deal for Beal a couple years ago. They aren't taking on the Horford or Griffin contracts. They are so far from win-now that it's the type of trade that sets them back more years.[/quote][/spoiler]
Of course you might be right that they're not intending on trading their assets for either Horford or Griffin. And you're not wrong that they're in rebuild mode STILL!
But I'm not sure in what way acquiring Griffin or Horford ( regardless of contract) would actually set them.back for years??
I mean obviously, Haven't they pretty much been in rebuild mode since losing Kemba? And even before that, They still weren't really competing for a playoff spot either.Which was a huge factor in him becoming fustrated and eventually leaving! I guess that my point is in that they have been bad for so long ( like us) largely in part to their inability to attract any big name free agents. I mean their biggest signing recently was Terry Rozier! Really, What other"good" teams wanted him. So in getting either Horford or Griffin, In addition to their promising young core of Graham/ Bridges/ Their lotto pick this year, and 2021 first, They'll be able to expedite their continuous treadmilling rebuild, And actually be able to create a stronger foundation for success. Which in turn wi improve their attractiveness to potential free agents! So in acquiring bigger name ( known commodities) players such as Griffin or Horford, They'll be able to more easily attract a better caliber of free agents to field a more competitive team. And whenst those contracts are expiring, they'll give them a massive expiring to use in a trade for a premium max level player in return as well.
But again, most importantly, They'll be getting a massive upgrade to their frontcourt production, Over what Biyombo and Marvin Williams have given them. I mean when exactly was the last time that they even had a legitimate dominant frontcourt player??? You'd again be adding Horford, or Griffin to a core of Devonte Graham ( their point guard of the future), Miles Bridges ( upcoming small forward), Their top 8 lottery pick in this draft (they can take Okoro, Hampton, Avdija, Vassell or Maybe even Wiseman falls to them, or a combo guard option! And they'll still be keeping their 2021 first as well. So really, To be honest they're only giving up..............
- Terry Rozier ( overpaid and unnecessary with emergence of Graham as their future point guard option.
- Malik Monk. A decent defensive 2 guard in his 3rd year, But he's not really a facilitator, and overall, He has been relatively disappointing on the offensive end too, And as a result, He's been relegated to a backup role by the emergence of Devonte Graham. So Overall Nonks' been fairly mediocre.
- PJ Washington. A solid 2nd year (** 6'7 ) power forward with a decent overall offensive/defensive skillset, But hasn't really shown any measurable signs of immenent star potential, And most likely projects as a solid journeyman role player at best.
- Juan Hernangomez. A decent 25 yr old center on an expiring contract. But thus far, He has only put up fairly mediocre numbers during his time in the league. He still does have some offensive and rebounding potential in high usage situations, But he is has still shown to be a defensive liability up to this point, And at best has been on par with Enes Kanter in that regard. Which is really disappointing for a guy who's 6'11 and 250lbs. And again, He's a 1.6 million expiring contract, So I see him as a thrown in for positional depth, But not really necessary for the trade to be successful.
- The 32nd pick in what is considered a mediocre draft by most anyways.
This trade gives them an actual we known big name commodity to help lead their team, and to sell other free agents on playing with opposed to just continually having to overpay for lesser players, It also gets them out from under Roziers' bad/ unnecessary contract, Allows them to keep their lottery picks, And they only send out maybe 1 positive asset really in PJ Washington, Who has shown promise as a floor spacer and decent defender, But is still nowhere near yet to the level of Griffins' or Horfords' level of impact. So are they really giving up that much to actually get a higher tier potential culture changing veteran player? All in all, They're not really giving up that much in order to get an actual difference maker culturally I'd argue.
But IF you do honestly feel like the value is still off for them in this trade, We can always go in a different direction with this trade man!
Phoenix/ Orlando/ Charlotte- http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ybnanogl . *** Phoenix also gets Charlottes' 8th overall pick in this draft. And Charlotte gets Orlandos ' 45th overall pick. So basically:
Phoenix- PJ Washington/ James Ennis 3rd/ 8th overall pick. We now have the 8th and 10th picks.
Orlando- Terry Rozier/ Kelly Oubre/ 32nd overall pick. But in doing this trade, We can now choose to either package these two picks to move up into the top 5 of the draft by trading with one of New York, Detroit, or perhaps even Cleveland. Or we can look to a trade back scenario with Boston for Marcus Smart and the 17th and 26th picks. And all for Oubre, Whom we'd likely lose anyways. But we can propose something like this in a move up scenario:
New York- The 8/ 10 for the 6th/ 27th pick. Then draft Toppin or Okungwu at 6. And Draft Grant Riller /or Tre Jones at 27. Or you draft one of Hayes or Haliburton at 6, And then one of Paul Reed/ Precious Achiuwa at 27?
Detroit- The 8th/ 10th overall pick for Kaminsky/ and the 5th overall pick. *** Draft Toppin or Okungwu ( IF we go Big) or draft Hayes or Haliburton ( If we go Guard). Then trade Kaminsky/ Diallo/ Okobo to Dallas for the 18th pick. Draft Tyler Bey.
Or we can just keep them, And then draft Toppin or Okungwu at 8. And then draft Vassell pr Nesmith accordingly at 10. Then you package some combination of Kaminsky/ Diallo and Okobo to Dallas for the 31st pick. And draft Grant Riller or Tre Jones.
But all in all, A team must eventually commit to taking risks, doing trades wherein they occasionally do take back salary or contracts that are considered bigger, in order to actually take that painful yet necessary step out of mediocrity, and towards fielding a more competitive team. Otherwise you can just continue to treadmill in the lottery off and on, whilst remaining mediocre as a franchise.
Oh man, GoK. I can't tell you how pissed I'd be if I were a Hornets fan and we made that trade, or how happy I'd be as a Knicks fan.
I think Toppin might last til #10. So might Devin Vassell, whom I love (though I think it's really an outside possibility). Haliburton's very intriguing and could be there at #10, too. Of course your guys Kira and Riller will be there.
I'm sure none of these guys will be as good as Kelly Oubre next year. And I'm telling you, some of these players we love won't make it in the league. That's just the way it is and you need to realize that. Even the good players - most of them aren't worthy of NBA rotation minutes until a few years have passed. So trying to grab, like, three of them is probably not a good idea - not if you want to win games, anyway.
And really man, I'm in no hurry to deal Kelly. If, say, GSW (or any maxed out team) really wants Kelly on their team, they'll have to trade for him this year or S&T with us next summer, because they won't be able to sign him into cap space. I know you worry about losing him for nothing in free agency, but there's certainly no malice between Kelly and this organization, so why rush? If he's about to get PAID and we maybe aren't the right org to pay him, we'll hear trade rumors I'm sure. And while I can't deny I'd trade Kelly straight up for a pick that landed, say, Killian Hayes, I'd be downright displeased if we replaced Kelly's minutes (for more money) with Obi Toppin and Jerami Grant.
Man, it sure does suck waiting for the tourney, the lotto and the draft, don't it?
ImNotMcDiSwear wrote:Oh man, GoK. I can't tell you how pissed I'd be if I were a Hornets fan and we made that trade, or how happy I'd be as a Knicks fan.
I think Toppin might last til #10. So might Devin Vassell, whom I love (though I think it's really an outside possibility). Haliburton's very intriguing and could be there at #10, too. Of course your guys Kira and Riller will be there.
I'm sure none of these guys will be as good as Kelly Oubre next year. And I'm telling you, some of these players we love won't make it in the league. That's just the way it is and you need to realize that. Even the good players - most of them aren't worthy of NBA rotation minutes until a few years have passed. So trying to grab, like, three of them is probably not a good idea - not if you want to win games, anyway.
And really man, I'm in no hurry to deal Kelly. If, say, GSW (or any maxed out team) really wants Kelly on their team, they'll have to trade for him this year or S&T with us next summer, because they won't be able to sign him into cap space. I know you worry about losing him for nothing in free agency, but there's certainly no malice between Kelly and this organization, so why rush? If he's about to get PAID and we maybe aren't the right org to pay him, we'll hear trade rumors I'm sure. And while I can't deny I'd trade Kelly straight up for a pick that landed, say, Killian Hayes, I'd be downright displeased if we replaced Kelly's minutes (for more money) with Obi Toppin and Jerami Grant.
Man, it sure does suck waiting for the tourney, the lotto and the draft, don't it?
Definitely hear what you're saying man! And I do really like Vassell as well. Although I really think that either a team like Charlotte or Washington definitely takes him before 10. I also don't see Toppin making it all the way to 10 either, What with teams like Minnesota, Detroit, Chicago, Charlotte, New York and/or Washington all likely having interest in a prospect big. IF I had to guess, I would say Toppin won't get past 7 and the Bulls. And Vassell, Won't make it past Washington. Charlotte will likely take either Okoro or Okongwu.
And sure, I definitely realize that some of these players won't make it in the league, AND will need time to develop. But again, That's why I specifically have them coming off the bench honestly. Providing depth and additional scoring/ versatile defense. But at a very low cost controlled price. Which is specifically what gives them the most value to us in my estimation with the declining and restrictive cap, As it allows us to keep more cap flexibility in free agency. We can take the money from Oubre, And use that for a veteran at Oubres' position at the 4 too. But aside from that, The players that I specifically mentioned, Have a particular elite attribute to their skillset, That CAN absolutely contribute for us right away:
- Jalen Smith. Elite rim protection/ rebounding and floor spacing. Wouldn't an athletic long.......
http://www.tankathon.com/players/jalen-smith 6'10+ player putting up 17/ 10/ and 2.5 blocks, Whilst shooting over 36% from three ( * And only making around 2 million contractually) be an upgrade to what Saric or Kaminsky provided?
- Kira Lewis. ELITE speed and penetration in breaking down defenses. - Tyler Bey. ELITE rebounder and defensive playmaker. Like a better shotblocking Mikhail Bridges. But who also has ELITE defensive awareness and shoots over 41% from three. And I mean for goodness sake, his comparison stats in college were damn near identical to that of Kwahi Leonard!!! That's intriguing!
- Grant Riller. ELITE ballhandling ability to break down defenses and Unbelievably ELITE at scoring at the rim and also making clutch plays and big shots. - Immanuel Quickly. ELITE perimeter shooter, Shooting over 42% from three and 92 %at the free throw line. Just his free throw shooting alone in crunch time and in late game situations would be an incredible asset to us in terms of contribution.
Jones himself mentioned awhile back that the critical issues that we must address to get better are: Playmaking/ Defense/ shooting. Adding any combination of these prospects with those exact particular elite skillsets in their games would obviously address these issues. And at a much lower cost than what we would bid in free agency honestly. I see this as being increasingly important with respect to the possibility of not only having the money to potentially outbid other teams for him in 2021, But to also still be able to maintain enough cap flexibility to ALSO be able to extend Bridges AND Ayton accordingly around that same time as well.
So with respect to Oubre, YES!!! ABSOLUTELY I would prefer to keep him, And I am worried about losing him for nothing of value in a return, The closer we get to his unrestricted free agency. But I'm not really in a rush, I'm just exploring as many options that are available to us as possible to better entertain a tangible contingency plan for him. All in all man, I'm just trying to figure out a way to address those critical positional issues that Jones mentioned at the lowest possible contractual cost with respect to hopefully keeping our starting core together (IF AT ALL POSSIBLE) as we look forward to not only Oubre being an unrestricted free agent that we'll need to bid for, BUT ALSO the very immenent extensions ( options) for both Bridges and Ayton. Lastly, IF these young prospects that are drafted, exceed expectations, Then we also benefit in that their value in a bigger trade ( for an all star)? will be at a premium when their production vs. Contractual cost will be considered. So they'll not only contribute with their particular skillsets, But help us replenish our barren asset pool. This is/has been my thinking and planning regarding this for awhile now. I'm just trying to afford us the best possible Avenue for both short/ long term success.
As was the case last season, teams and free agents can begin negotiating six hours efore the moratorium — so 6 p.m. EDT on Oct. 18.
It could be a wildly busy few days in October for the NBA. If the schedule for the restarted season at the ESPN Wide World of Sports complex at the Disney campus near Orlando, Florida, goes as planned, Game 7 of the NBA Finals could be held on Oct. 13, followed by the draft three days later and then free agency almost immediately following.
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Teams will also be able to sign players to rest-of-season contracts, when eligible, starting Tuesday and continuing through June 30.
So perhaps give Jamal Crawford or Gerald Green another shot for the rest of this truncated season in order to give us a veteran scoring boost perhaps? Any other ideas on unsigned vets/ 2 way players whom we could possibly add/ offer minutes to in order to get a deeper push possibly?
As was the case last season, teams and free agents can begin negotiating six hours efore the moratorium — so 6 p.m. EDT on Oct. 18.
It could be a wildly busy few days in October for the NBA. If the schedule for the restarted season at the ESPN Wide World of Sports complex at the Disney campus near Orlando, Florida, goes as planned, Game 7 of the NBA Finals could be held on Oct. 13, followed by the draft three days later and then free agency almost immediately following.
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Teams will also be able to sign players to rest-of-season contracts, when eligible, starting Tuesday and continuing through June 30.
So perhaps give Jamal Crawford or Gerald Green another shot for the rest of this truncated season in order to give us a veteran scoring boost perhaps? Any other ideas on unsigned vets/ 2 way players whom we could possibly add/ offer minutes to in order to get a deeper push possibly?
With no KOJr for the "stretch run", I'd go for Green.
"Never argue with an idiot. You'll never convince the idiot that you're correct, and bystanders won't be able to tell who's who." - Mark Twain
AdonalFoyle4Prez wrote:Wiggins + Paschal + 2020 Top 3 1st Round Pick for Kelly Oubre + Aaron Baynes?
You keep your 10th Pick.
I've thought quite a lot about what I would need to take Wiggins' contract. Eventually I realized that, no, I just wouldn't trade for him. I wouldn't take the deal if you threw in the Minny pick, or even another pick on top of that. That contract is simply a deal breaker.
As was the case last season, teams and free agents can begin negotiating six hours efore the moratorium — so 6 p.m. EDT on Oct. 18.
It could be a wildly busy few days in October for the NBA. If the schedule for the restarted season at the ESPN Wide World of Sports complex at the Disney campus near Orlando, Florida, goes as planned, Game 7 of the NBA Finals could be held on Oct. 13, followed by the draft three days later and then free agency almost immediately following.
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Teams will also be able to sign players to rest-of-season contracts, when eligible, starting Tuesday and continuing through June 30.
So perhaps give Jamal Crawford or Gerald Green another shot for the rest of this truncated season in order to give us a veteran scoring boost perhaps? Any other ideas on unsigned vets/ 2 way players whom we could possibly add/ offer minutes to in order to get a deeper push possibly?
With no KOJr for the "stretch run", I'd go for Green.
Yeah, I really liked him during his time here. And thought he did well for us back in 2013/14. He averaged around 15 / 4 with 40% from three and 85% from the free throw line. I'd really be down for a reunion as well!
AdonalFoyle4Prez wrote:Wiggins + Paschal + 2020 Top 3 1st Round Pick for Kelly Oubre + Aaron Baynes?
You keep your 10th Pick.
I've thought quite a lot about what I would need to take Wiggins' contract. Eventually I realized that, no, I just wouldn't trade for him. I wouldn't take the deal if you threw in the Minny pick, or even another pick on top of that. That contract is simply a deal breaker.
What's the current situation for you guys? Trying to win now or rebuilding?
Depending on that, and say you guys are still trying to figure out how to win, I think this is a good start. Again, you guys would get our 2020 top 3 pick AND keep your 10th pick. Think about it: You guys can package that to get an actual great quality starter/player to play along side Devin Booker and DeAndre Ayton (Not sure who'd be available depending on the other teams' situation). It comes with the cost of absorbing Wiggins contract for 4 years, but those 4 years will go by fast, lol.
In a perfect scenario, lets say you guys end up getting the #1 pick overall of 2020 draft, you guys can draft Anthony Edwards and then draft a PF (Patrick Williams is a stud):
Edwards Booker Wiggins Williams/Paschal Ayton
I think that'd be a formidable lineup, if led by an experienced coaching staff and established winning culture. Again, that's if you guys plan to keep the draft picks/players.
That's intriguing! 
