Around the NBA (Non-Celtics) 2019-2020, Part 2 – "The Bubble Bunch"

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OMFG
WHERES THE UNSEE BUTTON??

AD and Brady in particular that’s amazing

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I mean, I am looking forward to some basketball if it happens. You just can't help but feel though that Florida (with Covid rising by the hour there) that this whole thing is turning into a giant cluster poop.

Could be fun?

Maybe?

Disney Bubble lets go?!

Celtics!!!!!????

[SmartWentCrazy]

Just here to bump my old ‘Donovan Mitchell will low-key be available this summer’ take after he just went off on Utah’s fans. Guessing Kemba and Tatum will tamper like crazy in Orlando. Mitchell could really force some screws by refusing to entertain an extension.

Would still do Smart+Brown for Mitchell+Conley.

https://www.deseret.com/sports/2020/6/19/21296810/donovan-mitchell-juneteenth-instagram-post-jazz-fans-chris-paul

Can't imagine wanting to give 100% effort for a bunch of bigots. Those fans went in on the BLM post by the Jazz too. Mitchell is out of there.

I wouldn't do that trade though. As a matter of fact, I wouldn't even do Conley for Smart straight up.

Mitchell is:

a) great friends with Tatum
b) a potential first level scorer.

I could give two **** about Conley. Mitchell is a stud who people are discrediting due to him playing in a **** situation, much like Tatum last year. His efficiency blows up with other capable offensive threats and his defense improves with him needing to carry less of a burden offensively. Said another way, talent wins in the NBA and he’s a solid tier above Jaylen.

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In all seriousness are their rules against female playing in he NBA? Yes size and strength are an issue but I could certainly see a female guard making a roster.

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In all seriousness are their rules against female playing in he NBA? Yes size and strength are an issue but I could certainly see a female guard making a roster.

Giannis still looked like the MVP, and still not taking a charge from Zion.

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Have we tried HORSE yet?

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Just here to bump my old ‘Donovan Mitchell will low-key be available this summer’ take after he just went off on Utah’s fans. Guessing Kemba and Tatum will tamper like crazy in Orlando. Mitchell could really force some screws by refusing to entertain an extension.

Would still do Smart+Brown for Mitchell+Conley.

https://www.deseret.com/sports/2020/6/19/21296810/donovan-mitchell-juneteenth-instagram-post-jazz-fans-chris-paul

Can't imagine wanting to give 100% effort for a bunch of bigots. Those fans went in on the BLM post by the Jazz too. Mitchell is out of there.

I wouldn't do that trade though. As a matter of fact, I wouldn't even do Conley for Smart straight up.

Mitchell is:

a) great friends with Tatum
b) a potential first level scorer.

I could give two **** about Conley. Mitchell is a stud who people are discrediting due to him playing in a **** situation, much like Tatum last year. His efficiency blows up with other capable offensive threats and his defense improves with him needing to carry less of a burden offensively. Said another way, talent wins in the NBA and he’s a solid tier above Jaylen.

& exactly how did that go last year ? We had arguably the second most talented roster & got bounced in the second round.
The job going forward is to build around Tatum & put the right pieces in place that fit to achieve the ultimate success. Having two potential ‘first level scorers’ sounds great on paper but doesn’t always necessarily translate to championships if the fit isn’t right.
Mitchell’s a great player but would be another volume scorer on this team that needs the ball in his hand most of the time to be effective. Having all of Kemba, Tatum & Mitchell on the same team just brings up the same issues as last year when there was too many chiefs & not enough Indians. This is the reason I wouldn’t even trade Brown for Mitchell. Donovan’s the more talented player but Jaylen’s game fits so much better on this team. I think people quickly forgot not only how well Jaylen was playing this year but the fact that among 20 ppg scorers he was highest in EFG% for guards, second in FG% & 2P% for guards, had the lowest usage %, 4th in points per touch, second in transition FG% & EFG%, had the 3rd lowest time of possession & was 2nd in lowest amount of touches. Not to mention you’ve also got the problem of starting two guards under 6ft1 who aren’t really great defensively.

It’s only speculation right now to not only think he would thrive as a second option but also whether he’d be happy to take that role. For all we know he might still think he’s better than Tatum & that he should be the #1 option. After last season that would be that last thing we need.

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Lebron now is full of greys since the season ended.
edit: Or he always covered it up in the past and isn't at the moment? Yikes though.

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Can't imagine wanting to give 100% effort for a bunch of bigots. Those fans went in on the BLM post by the Jazz too. Mitchell is out of there.

I wouldn't do that trade though. As a matter of fact, I wouldn't even do Conley for Smart straight up.

Mitchell is:

a) great friends with Tatum
b) a potential first level scorer.

I could give two **** about Conley. Mitchell is a stud who people are discrediting due to him playing in a **** situation, much like Tatum last year. His efficiency blows up with other capable offensive threats and his defense improves with him needing to carry less of a burden offensively. Said another way, talent wins in the NBA and he’s a solid tier above Jaylen.

& exactly how did that go last year ? We had arguably the second most talented roster & got bounced in the second round.
The job going forward is to build around Tatum & put the right pieces in place that fit to achieve the ultimate success. Having two potential ‘first level scorers’ sounds great on paper but doesn’t always necessarily translate to championships if the fit isn’t right.
Mitchell’s a great player but would be another volume scorer on this team that needs the ball in his hand most of the time to be effective. Having all of Kemba, Tatum & Mitchell on the same team just brings up the same issues as last year when there was too many chiefs & not enough Indians. This is the reason I wouldn’t even trade Brown for Mitchell. Donovan’s the more talented player but Jaylen’s game fits so much better on this team. I think people quickly forgot not only how well Jaylen was playing this year but the fact that among 20 ppg scorers he was highest in EFG% for guards, second in FG% & 2P% for guards, had the lowest usage %, 4th in points per touch, second in transition FG% & EFG%, had the 3rd lowest time of possession & was 2nd in lowest amount of touches. Not to mention you’ve also got the problem of starting two guards under 6ft1 who aren’t really great defensively.

It’s only speculation right now to not only think he would thrive as a second option but also whether he’d be happy to take that role. For all we know he might still think he’s better than Tatum & that he should be the #1 option. After last season that would be that last thing we need.

The job is to build a championship level team. We dont have that right now.

You can conflate Mitchell’s current role with his expected role on this team if you want, but they’d be materially different. Mitchell would ideally slot into Kemba’s current role [complementary off ball piece with the ability to spell Tatum on ball for extended stretches] with Kemba shifting into Jaylen’s current role [many catch-and-shoot threes with a tertiary creation role]. I see both of these moves as tangible improvements to our team.

Defensively, Mitchell didnt give much effort due to his offensive role on the team [he has never played with a legitimate top 3 option, him shooting was always there best offense] and the general scheme of Utah [funnel to Gobert]. He played a lot of minutes without Gobert, and this hurt his on/off metrics. Im confident that he can recover his pre-NBA defensive skills in a new scheme with a reduced burden.

Jaylen had a great year, but he also set career marks in pretty much every shooting zone and I dont think its rational to expect similar improvements next year. In fact, I’d guess he regresses a little— thats been his typical development path career to date.

Dont let the stink of one season where a guy played in a miserable situation detract from who the player is. People made the same mistake with Tatum and Brown last year [lol @ Lakers fans with their ‘Kuzma’s better’ BS].

[SmartWentCrazy]

Lebron now is full of greys since the season ended.
edit: Or he always covered it up in the past and isn't at the moment? Yikes though.

he always covered it up, just like he does with his thinning hairline.

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Mitchell is:

a) great friends with Tatum
b) a potential first level scorer.

I could give two **** about Conley. Mitchell is a stud who people are discrediting due to him playing in a **** situation, much like Tatum last year. His efficiency blows up with other capable offensive threats and his defense improves with him needing to carry less of a burden offensively. Said another way, talent wins in the NBA and he’s a solid tier above Jaylen.

& exactly how did that go last year ? We had arguably the second most talented roster & got bounced in the second round.
The job going forward is to build around Tatum & put the right pieces in place that fit to achieve the ultimate success. Having two potential ‘first level scorers’ sounds great on paper but doesn’t always necessarily translate to championships if the fit isn’t right.
Mitchell’s a great player but would be another volume scorer on this team that needs the ball in his hand most of the time to be effective. Having all of Kemba, Tatum & Mitchell on the same team just brings up the same issues as last year when there was too many chiefs & not enough Indians. This is the reason I wouldn’t even trade Brown for Mitchell. Donovan’s the more talented player but Jaylen’s game fits so much better on this team. I think people quickly forgot not only how well Jaylen was playing this year but the fact that among 20 ppg scorers he was highest in EFG% for guards, second in FG% & 2P% for guards, had the lowest usage %, 4th in points per touch, second in transition FG% & EFG%, had the 3rd lowest time of possession & was 2nd in lowest amount of touches. Not to mention you’ve also got the problem of starting two guards under 6ft1 who aren’t really great defensively.

It’s only speculation right now to not only think he would thrive as a second option but also whether he’d be happy to take that role. For all we know he might still think he’s better than Tatum & that he should be the #1 option. After last season that would be that last thing we need.

The job is to build a championship level team. We dont have that right now.

You can conflate Mitchell’s current role with his expected role on this team if you want, but they’d be materially different. Mitchell would ideally slot into Kemba’s current role [complementary off ball piece with the ability to spell Tatum on ball for extended stretches] with Kemba shifting into Jaylen’s current role [many catch-and-shoot threes with a tertiary creation role]. I see both of these moves as tangible improvements to our team.

Defensively, Mitchell didnt give much effort due to his offensive role on the team [he has never played with a legitimate top 3 option, him shooting was always there best offense] and the general scheme of Utah [funnel to Gobert]. He played a lot of minutes without Gobert, and this hurt his on/off metrics. Im confident that he can recover his pre-NBA defensive skills in a new scheme with a reduced burden.

Jaylen had a great year, but he also set career marks in pretty much every shooting zone and I dont think its rational to expect similar improvements next year. In fact, I’d guess he regresses a little— thats been his typical development path career to date.

Dont let the stink of one season where a guy played in a miserable situation detract from who the player is. People made the same mistake with Tatum and Brown last year [lol @ Lakers fans with their ‘Kuzma’s better’ BS].

Logistically speaking, we're gonna pay Kemba 40M for this role?

[SmartWentCrazy]

& exactly how did that go last year ? We had arguably the second most talented roster & got bounced in the second round.
The job going forward is to build around Tatum & put the right pieces in place that fit to achieve the ultimate success. Having two potential ‘first level scorers’ sounds great on paper but doesn’t always necessarily translate to championships if the fit isn’t right.
Mitchell’s a great player but would be another volume scorer on this team that needs the ball in his hand most of the time to be effective. Having all of Kemba, Tatum & Mitchell on the same team just brings up the same issues as last year when there was too many chiefs & not enough Indians. This is the reason I wouldn’t even trade Brown for Mitchell. Donovan’s the more talented player but Jaylen’s game fits so much better on this team. I think people quickly forgot not only how well Jaylen was playing this year but the fact that among 20 ppg scorers he was highest in EFG% for guards, second in FG% & 2P% for guards, had the lowest usage %, 4th in points per touch, second in transition FG% & EFG%, had the 3rd lowest time of possession & was 2nd in lowest amount of touches. Not to mention you’ve also got the problem of starting two guards under 6ft1 who aren’t really great defensively.

It’s only speculation right now to not only think he would thrive as a second option but also whether he’d be happy to take that role. For all we know he might still think he’s better than Tatum & that he should be the #1 option. After last season that would be that last thing we need.

The job is to build a championship level team. We dont have that right now.

You can conflate Mitchell’s current role with his expected role on this team if you want, but they’d be materially different. Mitchell would ideally slot into Kemba’s current role [complementary off ball piece with the ability to spell Tatum on ball for extended stretches] with Kemba shifting into Jaylen’s current role [many catch-and-shoot threes with a tertiary creation role]. I see both of these moves as tangible improvements to our team.

Defensively, Mitchell didnt give much effort due to his offensive role on the team [he has never played with a legitimate top 3 option, him shooting was always there best offense] and the general scheme of Utah [funnel to Gobert]. He played a lot of minutes without Gobert, and this hurt his on/off metrics. Im confident that he can recover his pre-NBA defensive skills in a new scheme with a reduced burden.

Jaylen had a great year, but he also set career marks in pretty much every shooting zone and I dont think its rational to expect similar improvements next year. In fact, I’d guess he regresses a little— thats been his typical development path career to date.

Dont let the stink of one season where a guy played in a miserable situation detract from who the player is. People made the same mistake with Tatum and Brown last year [lol @ Lakers fans with their ‘Kuzma’s better’ BS].

Logistically speaking, we're gonna pay Kemba 40M for this role?

Logistically speaking, its a sunk cost. We shouldn't make decisions to play him in sub-optimal roles [such as this hypothetical] based on his salary, which we cant change.

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[bucknersrevenge]

The job is to build a championship level team. We dont have that right now.

You can conflate Mitchell’s current role with his expected role on this team if you want, but they’d be materially different. Mitchell would ideally slot into Kemba’s current role [complementary off ball piece with the ability to spell Tatum on ball for extended stretches] with Kemba shifting into Jaylen’s current role [many catch-and-shoot threes with a tertiary creation role]. I see both of these moves as tangible improvements to our team.

Defensively, Mitchell didnt give much effort due to his offensive role on the team [he has never played with a legitimate top 3 option, him shooting was always there best offense] and the general scheme of Utah [funnel to Gobert]. He played a lot of minutes without Gobert, and this hurt his on/off metrics. Im confident that he can recover his pre-NBA defensive skills in a new scheme with a reduced burden.

Jaylen had a great year, but he also set career marks in pretty much every shooting zone and I dont think its rational to expect similar improvements next year. In fact, I’d guess he regresses a little— thats been his typical development path career to date.

Dont let the stink of one season where a guy played in a miserable situation detract from who the player is. People made the same mistake with Tatum and Brown last year [lol @ Lakers fans with their ‘Kuzma’s better’ BS].

Logistically speaking, we're gonna pay Kemba 40M for this role?

Logistically speaking, its a sunk cost. We shouldn't make decisions to play him in sub-optimal roles [such as this hypothetical] based on his salary, which we cant change.

Fair argument. My question is how much does this sunk cost, sink the resat of the roster after we add Mitchell to this group on top of Tatum's cost?

[SmartWentCrazy]

Logistically speaking, we're gonna pay Kemba 40M for this role?

Logistically speaking, its a sunk cost. We shouldn't make decisions to play him in sub-optimal roles [such as this hypothetical] based on his salary, which we cant change.

Fair argument. My question is how much does this sunk cost, sink the resat of the roster after we add Mitchell to this group on top of Tatum's cost?

It shouldnt make us any worse than where we are currently— Smart and Jaylen’s salary would be above Mitchell’s next max.

Sure, its two players vs 1, but as I stated earlier, talent trumps all in the NBA and I’d prefer the guy with top 10 potential over a player with top 25 and a player with top 50 potential.

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D-Mitch is definitely better than Jaylen, but Jaylen/Tatum is a good fit together. I'm not sure D-Mitch/Tatum is. Also, Kemba/D-Mitch played together this summer for Team USA and the results weren't fantastic.

To be honest, I don't think getting Mitchell puts you much closer to a title than Tatum/Brown.

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D-Mitch is definitely better than Jaylen, but Jaylen/Tatum is a good fit together. I'm not sure D-Mitch/Tatum is. Also, Kemba/D-Mitch played together this summer for Team USA and the results weren't fantastic.

To be honest, I don't think getting Mitchell puts you much closer to a title than Tatum/Brown.

I do think that you keep the Tatum/Brown Duo together. Their camaraderie is massive, as they've been playing well together for 3 years. I don't think that, that can be considered insignificant.

But on the flip side; Donovan is a 1-2. So he could fit with Brown (2-3) and Tatum (3-4). He just wouldn't fit with Kemba.
I wouldn't mind, Mitchell - Brown - Tatum - (PF) - Theis. With Smart as that Super 6th-Man.

But, I don't think it would be a good look, to trade Kemba this early into his Celtics career.
We need to focus more so, on our PF position. We're pretty much set for now, elsewhere with the Starters.

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