OT: COVID-19 thread #2

[dice]

it helps when the president doesn't commit treasonous, impeachable offenses

What Trump did is really no different from what all these other toxic politicians have done. The entire impeachment thing was a joke as was Clintons impeachment hearings. Cleanhouse is the only way to move forward.

Anyway I have talked enough about politics for the day.

So first the Russians helped him, then Ukraine and the next one will be china. He must be the greatest diplomat ever!

corruption doesn't require much diplomacy. and ukraine didn't help him

The impeachments were an absolute joke.

you're right. treason isn't important at all

trump has served russia's interests since day 1 in office, by the way. including refusing to implement sanctions voted on unanimously by congress. and including abandoning our kurdish allies to slaughter in syria, which even his lapdogs in the birther party criticized him for. you can follow the money all the way to trump's business interests in moscow

[musiqsoulchild]

Biden is a million times better candidate then Trump. To try and play the middle like neither is a good candidate so you may as well not vote is an obvious low key Trump supporter move.

Lol I've never been called a closet trump supporter! Vote blue no matter who at full blast! I supported Yang and then Bernie. Pretty far from Trump.

It's not my fault that they're pretty similar and Biden is half gone. Perhaps Biden should do a little to actually make me want to vote for him instead of trying to shame me into.

You are by default supporting Trump though. Especially if you're in a swing state.

For Trump to win, progressive voter turn out needs to be depressed. Everyone who voted for him last year will repeat.

There is literally no other movement of demographics other than progressives like you.

If you sit this one out, Trump wins. If you show up like you do for Bernie/Yang/Warren...Biden wins in a landslide.

It's really that simple.

And the Democrats will finally be the party of the Progressives. The power transfer would be smooth. Like a Biden to Beto..for example.

[TheStig]

Biden is a million times better candidate then Trump. To try and play the middle like neither is a good candidate so you may as well not vote is an obvious low key Trump supporter move.

Lol I've never been called a closet trump supporter! Vote blue no matter who at full blast! I supported Yang and then Bernie. Pretty far from Trump.

It's not my fault that they're pretty similar and Biden is half gone. Perhaps Biden should do a little to actually make me want to vote for him instead of trying to shame me into.

You are by default supporting Trump though. Especially if you're in a swing state.

For Trump to win, progressive voter turn out needs to be depressed. Everyone who voted for him last year will repeat.

There is literally no other movement of demographics other than progressives like you.

If you sit this one out, Trump wins. If you show up like you do for Bernie/Yang/Warren...Biden wins in a landslide.

It's really that simple.

And the Democrats will finally be the party of the Progressives. The power transfer would be smooth. Like a Biden to Beto..for example.

I'm not in a swing state. But regardless, it's on the candidate to earn my vote, not for me to be guilted into or settle for someone who has no interest in representing my beliefs or even extending an olive branch.

You can't just blame progressives but not make meaningful steps bring them into the process and make concessions to them. I don't think that the democrats have taken that step. I can't support a candidate who won't entertain my beliefs.

[wolffy]

Lol I've never been called a closet trump supporter! Vote blue no matter who at full blast! I supported Yang and then Bernie. Pretty far from Trump.

It's not my fault that they're pretty similar and Biden is half gone. Perhaps Biden should do a little to actually make me want to vote for him instead of trying to shame me into.

You are by default supporting Trump though. Especially if you're in a swing state.

For Trump to win, progressive voter turn out needs to be depressed. Everyone who voted for him last year will repeat.

There is literally no other movement of demographics other than progressives like you.

If you sit this one out, Trump wins. If you show up like you do for Bernie/Yang/Warren...Biden wins in a landslide.

It's really that simple.

And the Democrats will finally be the party of the Progressives. The power transfer would be smooth. Like a Biden to Beto..for example.

I'm not in a swing state. But regardless, it's on the candidate to earn my vote, not for me to be guilted into or settle for someone who has no interest in representing my beliefs or even extending an olive branch.

You can't just blame progressives but not make meaningful steps bring them into the process and make concessions to them. I don't think that the democrats have taken that step. I can't support a candidate who won't entertain my beliefs.

This take is beyond foolish. The party that controls the White House is every bit as important as the actual candidate. No progressive legislation will get passed by a GOP president. No progressive Supreme Court Judge will be appointed under a GOP pres. Quite the opposite. If you cant see that as a progressive, you have to support the democratic candidate then you're blind.

And all that is likely trumped by the fact that we have a president that is a despicable human being and needs removed from office by just about anyone that runs.

[League Circles]

Biden is a million times better candidate then Trump. To try and play the middle like neither is a good candidate so you may as well not vote is an obvious low key Trump supporter move.

Lol I've never been called a closet trump supporter! Vote blue no matter who at full blast! I supported Yang and then Bernie. Pretty far from Trump.

It's not my fault that they're pretty similar and Biden is half gone. Perhaps Biden should do a little to actually make me want to vote for him instead of trying to shame me into.

You are by default supporting Trump though. Especially if you're in a swing state.

For Trump to win, progressive voter turn out needs to be depressed. Everyone who voted for him last year will repeat.

There is literally no other movement of demographics other than progressives like you.

If you sit this one out, Trump wins. If you show up like you do for Bernie/Yang/Warren...Biden wins in a landslide.

It's really that simple.

And the Democrats will finally be the party of the Progressives. The power transfer would be smooth. Like a Biden to Beto..for example.

Idk about the bold part. Obviously some independents may vote for Trump depending on how bad Biden looks from here to the election, including who he picks for VP. I know a guy who voted for Jill Stein (not me, although I also voted for her last time also) who is voting for Trump this time. And it wasn't because he changed personal ideology. In his mind, Trump wasn't as bad as he expected, and the democrats have become as bad or even worse than they were in 2016.

[League Circles]

You are by default supporting Trump though. Especially if you're in a swing state.

For Trump to win, progressive voter turn out needs to be depressed. Everyone who voted for him last year will repeat.

There is literally no other movement of demographics other than progressives like you.

If you sit this one out, Trump wins. If you show up like you do for Bernie/Yang/Warren...Biden wins in a landslide.

It's really that simple.

And the Democrats will finally be the party of the Progressives. The power transfer would be smooth. Like a Biden to Beto..for example.

I'm not in a swing state. But regardless, it's on the candidate to earn my vote, not for me to be guilted into or settle for someone who has no interest in representing my beliefs or even extending an olive branch.

You can't just blame progressives but not make meaningful steps bring them into the process and make concessions to them. I don't think that the democrats have taken that step. I can't support a candidate who won't entertain my beliefs.

This take is beyond foolish. The party that controls the White House is every bit as important as the actual candidate. No progressive legislation will get passed by a GOP president. No progressive Supreme Court Judge will be appointed under a GOP pres. Quite the opposite. If you cant see that as a progressive, you have to support the democratic candidate then you're blind.

And all that is likely trumped by the fact that we have a president that is a despicable human being and needs removed from office by just about anyone that runs.

It can also just be about long term vs short term goals as opposed to be about "blindness". I don't consider myself a "progressive" but I voted Stein in 2016 because I thought the long term impact of doing so would outweigh the short term impact of voting for Hilary over Trump. Though the decision was easier for me in a non swing state.

[_txchilibowl_]

This is not the election to be making an ideological statement with your vote. Unless you're cool with the s*** show that is this administration you'll be doing a disservice to America.

Trump is destroying both short and long-term goals for most of the people in this country....

[_txchilibowl_]

Also, how could anyone say Trump hasn't been as bad as they thought he would be? What has he accomplished that would make anyone feel that way?

[musiqsoulchild]

Also, how could anyone say Trump hasn't been as bad as they thought he would be? What has he accomplished that would make anyone feel that way?

Impeached for giving a blowjob. To Putin.

[musiqsoulchild]

Lol I've never been called a closet trump supporter! Vote blue no matter who at full blast! I supported Yang and then Bernie. Pretty far from Trump.

It's not my fault that they're pretty similar and Biden is half gone. Perhaps Biden should do a little to actually make me want to vote for him instead of trying to shame me into.

You are by default supporting Trump though. Especially if you're in a swing state.

For Trump to win, progressive voter turn out needs to be depressed. Everyone who voted for him last year will repeat.

There is literally no other movement of demographics other than progressives like you.

If you sit this one out, Trump wins. If you show up like you do for Bernie/Yang/Warren...Biden wins in a landslide.

It's really that simple.

And the Democrats will finally be the party of the Progressives. The power transfer would be smooth. Like a Biden to Beto..for example.

Idk about the bold part. Obviously some independents may vote for Trump depending on how bad Biden looks from here to the election, including who he picks for VP. I know a guy who voted for Jill Stein (not me, although I also voted for her last time also) who is voting for Trump this time. And it wasn't because he changed personal ideology. In his mind, Trump wasn't as bad as he expected, and the democrats have become as bad or even worse than they were in 2016.

I can't see any other decisive demographic shifts.

I see progressives NOT getting behind Biden because he's not Bernie...being the most impactful chunk of the election.

Really, that's the definition of privilege. To mortgage the future of the country on an idealistic principle that logically doesnt lead to the outcome this demographic wants anyway

[Jimako10]

I thought the Tulsa rally buried a bigger story with how Barr/Trump tried to quietly remove a SDNY prosecutor friday night. The amount of obstruction of justice that Trump has done in his 4 years is just so alarming that I don't see how people can just sit there and say "meh" to it, regardless of what side of the political aisle your on.

[Dresden]

I think it sucks too that progressives weren't able to nominate one of their candidates this time. But I am hopeful that the platform Biden will run will include a lot of that agenda, such as health care reform, some version of a new green deal, student debt relief, police reform, some kind of large program aimed at alleviating inner city poverty and racism. I don't see Trump doing anything but reversing gains previously made on those issues.

If nothing else, just look what Trump has done to the EPA, to regulations on coal and car fuel standards. Those things alone are setting back US carbon emissions by years. We can't afford another 4 years of those policies. The planet can't.

[PlayerUp]

that potential super spreader event in tulsa that the trump campaign bragged about getting nearly a million requests to attend? turns out that a much of that interest was fake. an iowa teacher who had worked for buttigieg got potentially hundreds of thousands of teens on tiktok to request tickets and, if obtained, fail to show up. 6200 people ended up attending the rally. capacity was 19000. the campaign set up an overflow area because they expected thousands to show up who didn't have tickets. only dozens gathered

https://www.foxnews.com/media/trump-rally-gives-fox-news-largest-saturday-night-audience-in-history

Just saw this popup. Of course people should not attend these mass gatherings but he reportedly set a record audience here.

[PlayerUp]

Also, how could anyone say Trump hasn't been as bad as they thought he would be? What has he accomplished that would make anyone feel that way?

Most knew Trump wouldn't be good I agree. Problem is Clinton was a garbage candidate as well. Back to back elections both parties have done a terrible job at putting forward their best candidates.

Looking forward to the 2024 election where hopefully we can have some better options for president. Mark Cuban? Nikki Haley? Ron DeSantis? Andrew Cuomo? Andy Beshear? I'd take any of these 5 over who we have running now.

[dice]

that potential super spreader event in tulsa that the trump campaign bragged about getting nearly a million requests to attend? turns out that a much of that interest was fake. an iowa teacher who had worked for buttigieg got potentially hundreds of thousands of teens on tiktok to request tickets and, if obtained, fail to show up. 6200 people ended up attending the rally. capacity was 19000. the campaign set up an overflow area because they expected thousands to show up who didn't have tickets. only dozens gathered

https://www.foxnews.com/media/trump-rally-gives-fox-news-largest-saturday-night-audience-in-history

Just saw this popup. Of course people should not attend these mass gatherings but he reportedly set a record audience here.

err...that was the fox news TV audience

[PlayerUp]

err...that was the fox news TV audience

I know. Point is his fanbase isn't dying, they love him.

[_txchilibowl_]

Also, how could anyone say Trump hasn't been as bad as they thought he would be? What has he accomplished that would make anyone feel that way?

Most knew Trump wouldn't be good I agree. Problem is Clinton was a garbage candidate as well. Back to back elections both parties have done a terrible job at putting forward their best candidates.

Looking forward to the 2024 election where hopefully we can have some better options for president. Mark Cuban? Nikki Haley? Ron DeSantis? Andrew Cuomo? Andy Beshear? I'd take any of these 5 over who we have running now.

Ron DeSantis? Please explain...

[Red8911]

Biden is a million times better candidate then Trump. To try and play the middle like neither is a good candidate so you may as well not vote is an obvious low key Trump supporter move.

Lol I've never been called a closet trump supporter! Vote blue no matter who at full blast! I supported Yang and then Bernie. Pretty far from Trump.

It's not my fault that they're pretty similar and Biden is half gone. Perhaps Biden should do a little to actually make me want to vote for him instead of trying to shame me into.

You are by default supporting Trump though. Especially if you're in a swing state.

For Trump to win, progressive voter turn out needs to be depressed. Everyone who voted for him last year will repeat.

There is literally no other movement of demographics other than progressives like you.

If you sit this one out, Trump wins. If you show up like you do for Bernie/Yang/Warren...Biden wins in a landslide.

It's really that simple.

And the Democrats will finally be the party of the Progressives. The power transfer would be smooth. Like a Biden to Beto..for example.

Trump is the one winning this in a landslide, Biden has no chance. Hilary was a terrible option and now Biden is even worse. The guy is lost and is currently hiding in his basement.Blame your Democratic Party for picking the wrong people to run.

Biden recently told a black guy that if he doesn’t vote for him then he’s not black, LOL.Thats just insulting to the whole black community, but it was barely covered by the media. Imagine if Trump said something like that.

[PlayerUp]

Ron DeSantis? Please explain...

I already discussed what I wanted yesterday. Don't really want to go over it again. I'm just throwing out random younger energetic option names. I don't know what any of the 5 above policies would be but these are just examples.

[_txchilibowl_]

Lol I've never been called a closet trump supporter! Vote blue no matter who at full blast! I supported Yang and then Bernie. Pretty far from Trump.

It's not my fault that they're pretty similar and Biden is half gone. Perhaps Biden should do a little to actually make me want to vote for him instead of trying to shame me into.

You are by default supporting Trump though. Especially if you're in a swing state.

For Trump to win, progressive voter turn out needs to be depressed. Everyone who voted for him last year will repeat.

There is literally no other movement of demographics other than progressives like you.

If you sit this one out, Trump wins. If you show up like you do for Bernie/Yang/Warren...Biden wins in a landslide.

It's really that simple.

And the Democrats will finally be the party of the Progressives. The power transfer would be smooth. Like a Biden to Beto..for example.

Trump is the one winning this in a landslide, Biden has no chance. Hilary was a terrible option and now Biden is even worse. The guy is lost and is currently hiding in his basement.Blame your Democratic Party for picking the wrong people to run.

Biden recently told a black guy that if he doesn’t vote for him then he’s not black, LOL.Thats just insulting to the whole black community, but it was barely covered by the media. Imagine if Trump said something like that.

Wow. Imagine defending the most racist, bigoted, sexist president we've ever had in regards to racism, bigotry, and sexism....what a country!