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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #2 

Post#1681 » by PlayerUp » Mon Jun 22, 2020 11:11 pm

Red8911 wrote:Biden recently told a black guy that if he doesn’t vote for him then he’s not black, LOL.Thats just insulting to the whole black community, but it was barely covered by the media. Imagine if Trump said something like that.


Trump would be called a racist and attacked for weeks. For Biden, they brushed it off and gave him a pass so his image wouldn't be damaged. Problem is Biden has a history of attacking and bullying people himself. Not to the extreme like Trump but still Biden is overly aggressive when people challenge him. Just some recent outbursts.







Nobody is "excited" about Biden. Peoples #1 reason for voting for Biden is just to get rid of Trump.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #2 

Post#1682 » by Dresden » Mon Jun 22, 2020 11:15 pm

The thing is, a lot of people don't want a candidate to be exciting. They want someone steady that they can trust. Which is why Biden has been eating into Trump's popularity among older people.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #2 

Post#1683 » by PlayerUp » Mon Jun 22, 2020 11:16 pm

_txchilibowl_ wrote:Wow. Imagine defending the most racist, bigoted, sexist president we've ever had in regards to racism, bigotry, and sexism....what a country!


The most racist presidents ever are those pre civil war. Trump is a bigot no doubt but Clinton gets the award for the most sexist modern president ever.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #2 

Post#1684 » by _txchilibowl_ » Mon Jun 22, 2020 11:21 pm

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_txchilibowl_ wrote:Wow. Imagine defending the most racist, bigoted, sexist president we've ever had in regards to racism, bigotry, and sexism....what a country!


The most racist presidents ever are those pre civil war. Trump is a bigot no doubt but Clinton gets the award for the most sexist modern president ever.



At least pre-civil war Presidents could claim some level of ignorance....
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #2 

Post#1685 » by PlayerUp » Mon Jun 22, 2020 11:44 pm

Dresden wrote:The thing is, a lot of people don't want a candidate to be exciting. They want someone steady that they can trust. Which is why Biden has been eating into Trump's popularity among older people.


Option A: An older bought politician that has a history of racist issues, sexual allegations, corruption and failed presidential runs with very limited accomplishments.

Option B: A young ambitious politician that has no history of issues and has a great plan moving forward.

Option B was essentially Obama in 2008 which is why he won by a huge margin over a well respected McCain. Option A is Biden. Who you taking? Obviously the majority will go with Option B.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #2 

Post#1686 » by dice » Tue Jun 23, 2020 12:01 am

Red8911 wrote:
musiqsoulchild wrote:
TheStig wrote:Lol I've never been called a closet trump supporter! Vote blue no matter who at full blast! I supported Yang and then Bernie. Pretty far from Trump.

It's not my fault that they're pretty similar and Biden is half gone. Perhaps Biden should do a little to actually make me want to vote for him instead of trying to shame me into.


You are by default supporting Trump though. Especially if you're in a swing state.

For Trump to win, progressive voter turn out needs to be depressed. Everyone who voted for him last year will repeat.

There is literally no other movement of demographics other than progressives like you.

If you sit this one out, Trump wins. If you show up like you do for Bernie/Yang/Warren...Biden wins in a landslide.

It's really that simple.

And the Democrats will finally be the party of the Progressives. The power transfer would be smooth. Like a Biden to Beto..for example.
Trump is the one winning this in a landslide...

anyone who suggests that their chosen presidential candidate will win in a landslide doesn't understand how divided america is

Biden has no chance

he's the favorite whether you keep your fingers in your ears and whistle dixie or not. trump can certainly still win (after all, he upset hillary on game day), but to say that biden has no chance when he's up huge in the polls in june is willfully and profoundly ignorant

Hilary was a terrible option and now Biden is even worse.

you're right. that's how stupifyingly terrible a president trump has been

The guy is lost and is currently hiding in his basement.

he knows exactly what he's doing: stay out of the way and let trump continue to hang himself. and it's working like a charm
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #2 

Post#1687 » by dice » Tue Jun 23, 2020 12:07 am

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Dresden wrote:The thing is, a lot of people don't want a candidate to be exciting. They want someone steady that they can trust. Which is why Biden has been eating into Trump's popularity among older people.


Option A: An older bought politician that has a history of racist issues, sexual allegations, corruption and failed presidential runs with very limited accomplishments.

"older" and "failed presidential runs" are the only truthful parts of that statement. but nobody has ever accused biden of being a racist, only one sexual allegation has been made, and you still have yet to explain what you're referring to when you say he's corrupt

you're correct that he's not a desirable candidate, though
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #2 

Post#1688 » by dice » Tue Jun 23, 2020 12:10 am

positive test rates are up nationwide in past week from 4.4% to 5.3%. so increased testing is most certainly not the primary reason we're seeing spikes in cases

also, the transmission rate is above 1 in 31 states
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #2 

Post#1689 » by musiqsoulchild » Tue Jun 23, 2020 12:23 am

Red8911 wrote:
musiqsoulchild wrote:
TheStig wrote:Lol I've never been called a closet trump supporter! Vote blue no matter who at full blast! I supported Yang and then Bernie. Pretty far from Trump.

It's not my fault that they're pretty similar and Biden is half gone. Perhaps Biden should do a little to actually make me want to vote for him instead of trying to shame me into.


You are by default supporting Trump though. Especially if you're in a swing state.

For Trump to win, progressive voter turn out needs to be depressed. Everyone who voted for him last year will repeat.

There is literally no other movement of demographics other than progressives like you.

If you sit this one out, Trump wins. If you show up like you do for Bernie/Yang/Warren...Biden wins in a landslide.

It's really that simple.

And the Democrats will finally be the party of the Progressives. The power transfer would be smooth. Like a Biden to Beto..for example.
Trump is the one winning this in a landslide, Biden has no chance. Hilary was a terrible option and now Biden is even worse. The guy is lost and is currently hiding in his basement.Blame your Democratic Party for picking the wrong people to run.

Biden recently told a black guy that if he doesn’t vote for him then he’s not black, LOL.Thats just insulting to the whole black community, but it was barely covered by the media. Imagine if Trump said something like that.



That's your emotion talking.

The way electoral college Math is set up, landslides are more likely on the Blue side than on the Red side.

This is where the country is - all factors that can sway these states are given:

1) Beto's Texas ( super close finish against Ted Hellboy)
2) Stacy Abrams (Super close finish against worst governor in America after Ducey and De Santis).

That's how much the switch from Red to Blue has been. Dont ignore the shift in AZ to Blue as well.

None of those states are going to be Biden states. However, that's indicative of how the country is trending.

The flip side is Florida which is decidedly Redder. As is Pennsylvania.

However, Pennsylvania is Biden country. Fun fact: 25 percent of PA is Catholic. And Biden would be the second Cathoic president after JFK. Plus, he is from Delaware...which is right next to PA. The volunteer army is going to be strong there for Joe.

Ohio is the interesting state...with a lot of people being likely to stay with Trump. Let's give that one to Trump.

That leaves Minnesota, Michigan and Wisconsin.

Minnesota and Michigan for Biden
Wisconsin for Trump

That's how it looks like right now. These are the swing states that matter.

And they are way more bluish purple than reddish purple. With the exception of FL.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #2 

Post#1690 » by musiqsoulchild » Tue Jun 23, 2020 12:25 am

PlayerUp wrote:
Dresden wrote:The thing is, a lot of people don't want a candidate to be exciting. They want someone steady that they can trust. Which is why Biden has been eating into Trump's popularity among older people.


Option A: An older bought politician that has a history of racist issues, sexual allegations, corruption and failed presidential runs with very limited accomplishments.

Option B: A young ambitious politician that has no history of issues and has a great plan moving forward.

Option B was essentially Obama in 2008 which is why he won by a huge margin over a well respected McCain. Option A is Biden. Who you taking? Obviously the majority will go with Option B.



You are literally comparing Obama to Trump.

That's just not how the electoral math is going to work out.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #2 

Post#1692 » by PlayerUp » Tue Jun 23, 2020 12:34 am

musiqsoulchild wrote:You are literally comparing Obama to Trump.


You do realize I'm not advocating for Trump either right? I made it clear yesterday that these older corrupt lazy bought toxic politicians from both parties are destroying this nation and we badly need to implement term limits to get them out of congress.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #2 

Post#1693 » by dice » Tue Jun 23, 2020 12:42 am


you're right. there are select individuals who are willing to twist reality to make claims of racism. that last one is simply preposterous, by the way

dice wrote:only one sexual allegation has been made

Sorry you're right. 1 sexual allegation and hundreds of creepy sexist clips.

enormous difference

and being too publicly affectionate is tone deaf (much like some of his comments regarding race that lead to the specious charges of racism), but certainly not sexist. so you've whiffed on the truth yet again
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #2 

Post#1694 » by Dresden » Tue Jun 23, 2020 12:44 am

PlayerUp wrote:
Red8911 wrote:Biden recently told a black guy that if he doesn’t vote for him then he’s not black, LOL.Thats just insulting to the whole black community, but it was barely covered by the media. Imagine if Trump said something like that.


Trump would be called a racist and attacked for weeks. For Biden, they brushed it off and gave him a pass so his image wouldn't be damaged. Problem is Biden has a history of attacking and bullying people himself. Not to the extreme like Trump but still Biden is overly aggressive when people challenge him. Just some recent outbursts.







Nobody is "excited" about Biden. Peoples #1 reason for voting for Biden is just to get rid of Trump.


Biden has a history of having good relationships with black delegations in congress, that's why he got a pass on a slip up like that.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #2 

Post#1695 » by musiqsoulchild » Tue Jun 23, 2020 12:51 am

PlayerUp wrote:
musiqsoulchild wrote:You are literally comparing Obama to Trump.


You do realize I'm not advocating for Trump either right? I made it clear yesterday that these older corrupt lazy bought toxic politicians from both parties are destroying this nation and we badly need to implement term limits to get them out of congress.


You are.

And youre being slick about it. But that's cool.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #2 

Post#1696 » by dice » Tue Jun 23, 2020 1:04 am

musiqsoulchild wrote:
PlayerUp wrote:
musiqsoulchild wrote:You are literally comparing Obama to Trump.


You do realize I'm not advocating for Trump either right? I made it clear yesterday that these older corrupt lazy bought toxic politicians from both parties are destroying this nation and we badly need to implement term limits to get them out of congress.


You are.

And youre being slick about it. But that's cool.

i don't think he's pro-trump. but term limits ain't gonna change anything with regard to corruption. hell, the most corrupt politicians are the ones who serve a couple of terms, make connections and then get rich working on K street as lobbyists

the question is how to get money out of politics. the right-leaning supreme court made that all the more difficult with the citizens united decision. there is no question that the democrats would prefer strict limits on financial contributions to campaigns. but they have to play by the rules of the game to some extent

people can rag on joe biden for a lot of things, but he never cashed in on being a senator for 35 years. his net worth in 2007 was just over $50K. one of the very poorest congresspeople. it was only recent book proceeds that made him wealthy
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #2 

Post#1697 » by musiqsoulchild » Tue Jun 23, 2020 1:08 am

dice wrote:
musiqsoulchild wrote:
PlayerUp wrote:
You do realize I'm not advocating for Trump either right? I made it clear yesterday that these older corrupt lazy bought toxic politicians from both parties are destroying this nation and we badly need to implement term limits to get them out of congress.


You are.

And youre being slick about it. But that's cool.

i don't think he's pro-trump. but term limits ain't gonna change anything with regard to corruption. hell, the most corrupt politicians are the ones who serve a couple of terms, make connections and then get rich working on K street as lobbyists

people can rag on joe biden for a lot of things, but he never cashed in on being a senator for 35 years. his net worth in 2007 was just over $50K. one of the very poorest congresspeople. it was only recent book proceeds that made him wealthy


I am salty today. Sorry Player Up. My apologies.

Just frustrated with libertarians and liberals who cannot do the right thing.

Would you rather 100% support a candidate who has an agenda that covers 70% of what you ean to see?

Or vote for Jill Stein or stay home? Or write in somebody else.

That's irresponsible.

Get with the party and change it from within by engaging.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #2 

Post#1698 » by Ccwatercraft » Tue Jun 23, 2020 1:11 am

PlayerUp wrote:
Dresden wrote:The thing is, a lot of people don't want a candidate to be exciting. They want someone steady that they can trust. Which is why Biden has been eating into Trump's popularity among older people.


Option A: An older bought politician that has a history of racist issues, sexual allegations, corruption and failed presidential runs with very limited accomplishments.

Option B: A young ambitious politician that has no history of issues and has a great plan moving forward.

Option B was essentially Obama in 2008 which is why he won by a huge margin over a well respected McCain. Option A is Biden. Who you taking? Obviously the majority will go with Option B.


I honestly didnt think it was possible to put up a candidate worse than Hillary, yet the dem's pulled it off quite spectacularly and somehow talked the other candidates into walking away.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #2 

Post#1699 » by PlayerUp » Tue Jun 23, 2020 1:13 am

dice wrote:and being too publicly affectionate is tone deaf (much like some of his comments regarding race that lead to the specious charges of racism), but certainly not sexist. so you've whiffed on the truth yet again


Dresden wrote:Biden has a history of having good relationships with black delegations in congress, that's why he got a pass on a slip up like that.


We could debate these topics all day but I am out of time. I think both of you hopefully get my point here that Biden is a bad candidate.

If you still have any doubt, just youtube Joe Biden, check random videos, and see the youtube comments. Both sides make fun of this guy. The vast majority don't prefer Biden nor do they really respect him. In fact among democratic candidates, I think he is the least respected democratic candidate for president in this modern history.

Now youtube Obama, check random videos, check the comments, see the responses. Completely different. I wasn't pro Obama policies but at least people respected him for who he was.

Even if Biden wins 2020, he is doomed for 2024. He'll be 82 and will go up against someone like Nikki Haley who is well liked all around and respected. He stands no chance.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #2 

Post#1700 » by dice » Tue Jun 23, 2020 1:25 am

reported COVID-19 deaths as percentage of population (top 20 national death counts):

0.085 belgium
0.064 UK
0.060 spain
0.057 italy
0.050 sweden
0.044 france
0.037 USA
0.035 netherlands
0.026 peru
0.025 ecuador
0.024 brazil (probably under-reporting)
0.022 canada
0.018 mexico
0.011 germany
0.006 russia (under-reporting?)
0.006 turkey
0.002 pakistan
0.001 india/indonesia
0.000 china (uh-huh)

how 'bout we stop trying to play catch-up?
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