Official Covid-19 Discussion Thread

[Bomboclot416]

Great leftist rebuttal. No facts just disagreement. And you would fight to the end to say that you are correct. This is part of what's wrong with this world these days.

I'm sorry, did you present any facts to rebut or did you just lie to yourself in a little messageboard rant?

If you won't give me the respect of actual answers or facts I won't waste my time giving you more info.

Unfortunately everything these days is painted down party lines which is unfortunate, it really hurts open debate. Proof is in the pudding with the response or lack thereof I got.

[mtcan]

Great leftist rebuttal. No facts just disagreement. And you would fight to the end to say that you are correct. This is part of what's wrong with this world these days.

I'm sorry, did you present any facts to rebut or did you just lie to yourself in a little messageboard rant?

If you won't give me the respect of actual answers or facts I won't waste my time giving you more info.

Unfortunately everything these days is painted down party lines which is unfortunate, it really hurts open debate. Proof is in the pudding with the response or lack thereof I got.

That's just how you see the world...no one else running around calling people leftists or whatever. Have you noticed? It's just you.

[Fairview4Life]

Great leftist rebuttal. No facts just disagreement. And you would fight to the end to say that you are correct. This is part of what's wrong with this world these days.

I'm sorry, did you present any facts to rebut or did you just lie to yourself in a little messageboard rant?

If you won't give me the respect of actual answers or facts I won't waste my time giving you more info.

Unfortunately everything these days is painted down party lines which is unfortunate, it really hurts open debate. Proof is in the pudding with the response or lack thereof I got.

Respect is earned. You didn't give anyone the respect of supporting any of your wildly incorrect statements in your first post. Quite frankly most of them were such dumb talking points they don't deserve anything other than sneering derision. You just wanted to rant about leftists ruining your life or whatever. Pure virtue signalling and identity politics.

[Bomboclot416]

I'm sorry, did you present any facts to rebut or did you just lie to yourself in a little messageboard rant?

If you won't give me the respect of actual answers or facts I won't waste my time giving you more info.

Unfortunately everything these days is painted down party lines which is unfortunate, it really hurts open debate. Proof is in the pudding with the response or lack thereof I got.

That's just how you see the world...no one else running around calling people leftists or whatever. Have you noticed? It's just you.

That's how the silent majority sees the world. We realize we can't debate fact with certain people....feeling must be what drives all decisions in some people's minds and if they feel this way they can't understand why I always talk about numbers and stats. So yes it is insulting to have someone argue a point and be told this person demolishes better arguments when I've heard all of that nonsense before. Who talks the loudest and is the trendiest is correct?

[Fairview4Life]

Neither "silent", nor a "majority".

[Bomboclot416]

I'm sorry, did you present any facts to rebut or did you just lie to yourself in a little messageboard rant?

If you won't give me the respect of actual answers or facts I won't waste my time giving you more info.

Unfortunately everything these days is painted down party lines which is unfortunate, it really hurts open debate. Proof is in the pudding with the response or lack thereof I got.

Respect is earned. You didn't give anyone the respect of supporting any of your wildly incorrect statements in your first post. Quite frankly most of them were such dumb talking points they don't deserve anything other than sneering derision. You just wanted to rant about leftists ruining your life or whatever. Pure virtue signalling and identity politics.

I was telling the truth in my eyes based on facts. Which I can back up with facts and publications which I'm sure you watch every night with a rabid watering mouth. No matter how nicely you dress up your statements you are still being a jerk with nothing to back up your arguments besides insults.

Keep your sneering derision where it matters....in your basement behind your keyboard and let the big boys make the big decisions.

[mtcan]

If you won't give me the respect of actual answers or facts I won't waste my time giving you more info.

Unfortunately everything these days is painted down party lines which is unfortunate, it really hurts open debate. Proof is in the pudding with the response or lack thereof I got.

That's just how you see the world...no one else running around calling people leftists or whatever. Have you noticed? It's just you.

That's how the silent majority sees the world. We realize we can't debate fact with certain people....feeling must be what drives all decisions in some people's minds and if they feel this way they can't understand why I always talk about numbers and stats. So yes it is insulting to have someone argue a point and be told this person demolishes better arguments when I've heard all of that nonsense before. Who talks the loudest and is the trendiest is correct?

Cool it with the far-right talking points and rhetoric. We are people at the end of the day...not left or right. If you address people as people instead of as enemies because they don't vote the same way you do...perhaps the level of discussion progresses.

[Bomboclot416]

Neither "silent", nor a "majority".

I recall hearing the same thing 4 years ago.

[Bomboclot416]

That's just how you see the world...no one else running around calling people leftists or whatever. Have you noticed? It's just you.

That's how the silent majority sees the world. We realize we can't debate fact with certain people....feeling must be what drives all decisions in some people's minds and if they feel this way they can't understand why I always talk about numbers and stats. So yes it is insulting to have someone argue a point and be told this person demolishes better arguments when I've heard all of that nonsense before. Who talks the loudest and is the trendiest is correct?

Cool it with the far-right talking points and rhetoric. We are people at the end of the day...not left or right. If you address people as people instead of as enemies because they don't vote the same way you do...perhaps the level of discussion progresses.

You cool it. I'm anything but far right. The beauty of freedom is for anyone to have a thought or opinion. Fortunately for me mine are based on FACT. Others base theirs on feeling and defend with insults. So again you cool it.

[mtcan]

That's how the silent majority sees the world. We realize we can't debate fact with certain people....feeling must be what drives all decisions in some people's minds and if they feel this way they can't understand why I always talk about numbers and stats. So yes it is insulting to have someone argue a point and be told this person demolishes better arguments when I've heard all of that nonsense before. Who talks the loudest and is the trendiest is correct?

Cool it with the far-right talking points and rhetoric. We are people at the end of the day...not left or right. If you address people as people instead of as enemies because they don't vote the same way you do...perhaps the level of discussion progresses.

You cool it. I'm anything but far right. The beauty of freedom is for anyone to have a thought or opinion. Fortunately for me mine are based on FACT. Others base theirs on feeling and defend with insults. So again you cool it.

I'm already cool. You're the one who's triggered for whatever reason.

[Bomboclot416]

Cool it with the far-right talking points and rhetoric. We are people at the end of the day...not left or right. If you address people as people instead of as enemies because they don't vote the same way you do...perhaps the level of discussion progresses.

You cool it. I'm anything but far right. The beauty of freedom is for anyone to have a thought or opinion. Fortunately for me mine are based on FACT. Others base theirs on feeling and defend with insults. So again you cool it.

I'm already cool. You're the one who's triggered for whatever reason.

Because you are putting me into a stereotype and making assumptions. Doesn't everyone get triggered about that these days?

[mtcan]

You cool it. I'm anything but far right. The beauty of freedom is for anyone to have a thought or opinion. Fortunately for me mine are based on FACT. Others base theirs on feeling and defend with insults. So again you cool it.

I'm already cool. You're the one who's triggered for whatever reason.

Because you are putting me into a stereotype and making assumptions. Doesn't everyone get triggered about that these days?

You are the one calling people "leftists" and referring to the "silent majority"...terms of which people on the far right go around throwing around.

Like I said...we are people here. Just because someone doesn't agree with you...you don't need to back yourself into a partisan corner and start accusing people who don't agree with you as "leftists"...as if it's supposed to be a dirty insult.

[mtcan]

You cool it. I'm anything but far right. The beauty of freedom is for anyone to have a thought or opinion. Fortunately for me mine are based on FACT. Others base theirs on feeling and defend with insults. So again you cool it.

I'm already cool. You're the one who's triggered for whatever reason.

Because you are putting me into a stereotype and making assumptions. Doesn't everyone get triggered about that these days?

Nope...only you.

[Fairview4Life]

I was telling the truth in my eyes based on facts. Which I can back up with facts and publications which I'm sure you watch every night with a rabid watering mouth. No matter how nicely you dress up your statements you are still being a jerk with nothing to back up your arguments besides insults.

Keep your sneering derision where it matters....in your basement behind your keyboard and let the big boys make the big decisions.

All you did was rant. But alright, let's take a quick look at a random point from your first post. Let's address you with the respect you so richly desire:

3. Trump is being impeached and the focus is on burning him at the stake, not focusing on this pathogen wreaking havoc across the world

Let's look at the actual timeline of events:
https://www.vox.com/2020/6/8/21242003/trump-failed-coronavirus-response
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/3/21/21189179/coronavirus-trump-intelligence-reports-warned-pandemic

Timeline of comments:
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/04/15/835011346/a-timeline-of-coronavirus-comments-from-president-trump-and-who

Study of congressional tweets:
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/04/02/tweets-by-members-of-congress-tell-the-story-of-an-escalating-covid-19-crisis/

Joe Biden's op ed on Jan 27th:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/01/27/coronavirus-donald-trump-made-us-less-prepared-joe-biden-column/4581710002/

If you need it to be bi partisan, Tom Cotton wrote a letter to Alex Azar on Jan 22nd or so I think asking how HHS was prepared for Covid, etc.

Trump was acquitted by the senate in early February. Turns out that people can focus on more than one thing at once!

And this is the problem with posts like yours. You just throw a bunch of crap at the wall and demand respect. Responding to each completely unsupported point takes time and energy. You are a time bandit, basically.

[Fairview4Life]

Neither "silent", nor a "majority".

I recall hearing the same thing 4 years ago.

Right, it wasn't silent or a majority 4 years ago either.

[beanbag]

If you won't give me the respect of actual answers or facts I won't waste my time giving you more info.

Unfortunately everything these days is painted down party lines which is unfortunate, it really hurts open debate. Proof is in the pudding with the response or lack thereof I got.

Respect is earned. You didn't give anyone the respect of supporting any of your wildly incorrect statements in your first post. Quite frankly most of them were such dumb talking points they don't deserve anything other than sneering derision. You just wanted to rant about leftists ruining your life or whatever. Pure virtue signalling and identity politics.

I was telling the truth in my eyes based on facts. Which I can back up with facts and publications which I'm sure you watch every night with a rabid watering mouth. No matter how nicely you dress up your statements you are still being a jerk with nothing to back up your arguments besides insults.

Keep your sneering derision where it matters....in your basement behind your keyboard and let the big boys make the big decisions.

Hey man, where do you get your facts from? I'd like to learn.

Thanks in advance!

[Duffman100]

If you won't give me the respect of actual answers or facts I won't waste my time giving you more info.

Unfortunately everything these days is painted down party lines which is unfortunate, it really hurts open debate. Proof is in the pudding with the response or lack thereof I got.

Respect is earned. You didn't give anyone the respect of supporting any of your wildly incorrect statements in your first post. Quite frankly most of them were such dumb talking points they don't deserve anything other than sneering derision. You just wanted to rant about leftists ruining your life or whatever. Pure virtue signalling and identity politics.

I was telling the truth in my eyes based on facts. Which I can back up with facts and publications which I'm sure you watch every night with a rabid watering mouth. No matter how nicely you dress up your statements you are still being a jerk with nothing to back up your arguments besides insults.

Keep your sneering derision where it matters....in your basement behind your keyboard and let the big boys make the big decisions.

So let's start posting the facts and publications with your posts so people don't have to take it with blind faith. It also allows them to examine your facts, and either agree with them or refute them.

The exchanges back and forth are starting to get personal. Putting in facts and making it a factual argument will fix that and make me less likely to issue warnings.

[dohboy_24]

So let's start posting the facts and publications with your posts so people don't have to take it with blind faith. It also allows them to examine your facts, and either agree with them or refute them.

The exchanges back and forth are starting to get personal. Putting in facts and making it a factual argument will fix that and make me less likely to issue warnings.

Facts, but such expectations need to be applied equally to all parties involved in the discussion. Unfair for some to be held to a standard others are not or for some to be expected to follow guidelines others don't.

PMed.

[dohboy_24]

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[Bomboclot416]

I was telling the truth in my eyes based on facts. Which I can back up with facts and publications which I'm sure you watch every night with a rabid watering mouth. No matter how nicely you dress up your statements you are still being a jerk with nothing to back up your arguments besides insults.

Keep your sneering derision where it matters....in your basement behind your keyboard and let the big boys make the big decisions.

All you did was rant. But alright, let's take a quick look at a random point from your first post. Let's address you with the respect you so richly desire:

3. Trump is being impeached and the focus is on burning him at the stake, not focusing on this pathogen wreaking havoc across the world

Let's look at the actual timeline of events:
https://www.vox.com/2020/6/8/21242003/trump-failed-coronavirus-response
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/3/21/21189179/coronavirus-trump-intelligence-reports-warned-pandemic

Timeline of comments:
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/04/15/835011346/a-timeline-of-coronavirus-comments-from-president-trump-and-who

Study of congressional tweets:
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/04/02/tweets-by-members-of-congress-tell-the-story-of-an-escalating-covid-19-crisis/

Joe Biden's op ed on Jan 27th:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/01/27/coronavirus-donald-trump-made-us-less-prepared-joe-biden-column/4581710002/

If you need it to be bi partisan, Tom Cotton wrote a letter to Alex Azar on Jan 22nd or so I think asking how HHS was prepared for Covid, etc.

Trump was acquitted by the senate in early February. Turns out that people can focus on more than one thing at once!

And this is the problem with posts like yours. You just throw a bunch of crap at the wall and demand respect. Responding to each completely unsupported point takes time and energy. You are a time bandit, basically.

First and foremost thanks for actually responding and making an attempt at proving me wrong. Althought this entire angle and the documents you use to support do nothing of the sort I atleast appreciate the chance for dialogue.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_of_Donald_Trump

Impeached december 18, 2019 acquitted Feb 5th. During this time the World health organization (as per the sites you have linked above) was yet to make any mention of anything big happening, the numbers were tiny in the united states.

The 30th of January, the WHO declares a global health emergency and a day later Trump suspends travel from China. This is well before it was listed as a pandemic and way before Canada or ANY OTHER COUNTRY IN THE WORLD did the same sort of measure.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Travel_restrictions_related_to_the_COVID-19_pandemic

There's a listing of when countries instituted travel bans. The US was the first. Siginifcantly ahead of the rest of the world.

Not that this really matters, it wasn't the most important part of my logic and my posts. The logic is the hyprocrisy of the media and others that are quick to cast a stone and their opinion and brush aside science and data. This is what anyone looking to suppress people did....burn books, kill intellectuals, make you sound crazy even though you are right.

You have Biden (whom you have referenced as someone against Trumps handling) making a reference on Twitter on Feb 1st (a day after Trump announced the China travel ban) calling the president a xenophobe that operates on hysteria and fear mongering. If you are looking at a travel ban wouldn't you pick the country where the outbreak is? Calling it xenophobic is the epitomy of creating more drama and unrest when the ban had nothing to do with race, creed, colour. Bans were later placed on Iran, etc....

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This article I've attached is just another example of how terrible of an argument and how unfairly the situation was viewed....by I am the one drawing the partisan lines.


https://theintercept.com/2020/05/16/racism-coronavirus-china-europe/


The reason why there was a delay in excluding europe was because there wasn't a lot of cases, not because he's xenophobic and picking on China yet this was the narrative that was painted. It wasn't until mid February that cases started picking up in Italy and the travel ban was imposed

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/12/trump-bans-travel-from-europe-here-what-you-need-to-know.html
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51883728


This narrative plays out during this entire saga with media reporting numbers and things they want rather than the truth or fact. This is happening on both sides.

I'm just pointing out hyprocrisy and asking questions that seem to offend. Every thing I said was simply a false, or stupid comment with nothing to prove me wrong.