2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 6) -LOTTO 8/20 DRAFT 10/16!

[HEZI]

36 views?

Is it fake footage?

is that you?

just wondering you had a Demond Bane and LaMelo weaknesses clip ready to go

It's youtube. Literally just typed Lamelo Ball weaknesses and its there. Welcome to 2020 Mpharris

[HEZI]

36 views?

Is it fake footage?

Same dude has a strength video for him and it has 47 views though

Watch on YouTube

Ok, cool. I've seen all his strengths and know them too well. Dude that shot 37% from the field and 25% from 3 on high volume shots has way more weaknesses than strengths

[HEZI]

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there is a weaknesses videos for anthony edwards too...doesn't mean I still wouldn't take him in the top 2.

Everybody has weaknesses that isn't the point. Lamelo Ball has Julius Randle type of weaknesses where he hurts your team a lot. Did you study the weaknesses or are you just content with knowing players have them therefore it's all good?

[robillionaire]

we already know the knicks have melo #1 unequivocally so I rest easy knowing they will do what they can to make it happen

[HEZI]

Lamelos shot selection can be improved anybody’s shot selection can be improved. He most likely will be a streaky volume shooter with an average shooting percentage. I don’t expect him to ever become a curry, Trae young type of shooter on the floor but I think he will still be somebody you have to guard out there.

I’d probably be more alert about his defense than his shooting. Very poor defense stances out there that just look plain bad at times.

But other than that I like the way he maneuvers on the court he doesn’t seem restricted or bothered by the defense. if he’s even Just a decent shooter he can cause havoc in iso and pick and roll which will open up more efficient shots for the rest of the team

So he's a "we gon get you right Lamelo" candidate?

How many broke jumper PGs are we going to experiment with and believe that we are going to fix their shot? When has it ever happened here?

Not to mention that awful shot selection. Who is really going to coach him out of those bad habits? This is the same kid who was shooting halfcourt shots to show off as a 15 / 16 year old. We are kidding ourselves into thinking he's just going to change his identity and who he is. This is who he is

[god shammgod]

we already know the knicks have melo #1 unequivocally so I rest easy knowing they will do what they can to make it happen

i wonder if they'll give up the dallas pick to try to move up. it'll depend a lot on where we land if that's even possible. we might be able to move from 3 or 4 to 1. 8 or 9 and we probably can't.

[mpharris36]

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there is a weaknesses videos for anthony edwards too...doesn't mean I still wouldn't take him in the top 2.

Everybody has weaknesses that isn't the point. Lamelo Ball has Julius Randle type of weaknesses where he hurts your team a lot. Did you study the weaknesses or are you just content with knowing players have them therefore it's all good?

I do know LaMelo's weaknesses and saying he's a Julius Randle type negative player is crazy to me.

Randle is a career 1:1 assist to turnover ratio player who helps no one get his stats but himself.

LaMelo was 18 years old in a mens league with nearly a 3:1 assist to turnover ratio.

This idea that he just goes for the flashy pass is simply inaccurate.

Yes I am aware of his shooting right now. That is the biggest swing factor for me but I do think shooting is the one skillset that can ultimately be improved the most from a young prospect to later in the NBA career. So I am buying he wont be a sub 50% TS% player.

[robillionaire]

we already know the knicks have melo #1 unequivocally so I rest easy knowing they will do what they can to make it happen

i wonder if they'll give up the dallas pick to try to move up. it'll depend a lot on where we land if that's even possible. we might be able to move from 3 or 4 to 1. 8 or 9 and we probably can't.

yeah we should probably go ahead and win the lottery just to be safe

[HEZI]

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there is a weaknesses videos for anthony edwards too...doesn't mean I still wouldn't take him in the top 2.

Everybody has weaknesses that isn't the point. Lamelo Ball has Julius Randle type of weaknesses where he hurts your team a lot. Did you study the weaknesses or are you just content with knowing players have them therefore it's all good?

I do know LaMelo's weaknesses and saying he's a Julius Randle type negative player is crazy to me.

Randle is a career 1:1 assist to turnover ratio player who helps no one get his stats but himself.

LaMelo was 18 years old in a mens league with nearly a 3:1 assist to turnover ratio.

This idea that he just goes for the flashy pass is simply inaccurate.

Yes I am aware of his shooting right now. That is the biggest swing factor for me but I do think shooting is the one skillset that can ultimately be improved the most from a young prospect to later in the NBA career. So I am buying he wont be a sub 50% TS% player.

He's a terrible decision maker like Randle. Ball hog and selfish, like Randle. Terrible defense, like Randle. Thinks he's a star when he isnt one, like Randle. Can't spell LaMElo without the me. He's a self entitled diva. Do not want!

[3toheadmelo]

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[HEZI]

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Would take him over Lamelo and wouldn't even hesitate. Don't even want a big but I'd take my chance with Wiseman, get a point guard later.

[Deeeez Knicks]

Is it fake footage?

Same dude has a strength video for him and it has 47 views though

Watch on YouTube

Ok, cool. I've seen all his strengths and know them too well. Dude that shot 37% from the field and 25% from 3 on high volume shots has way more weaknesses than strengths

His weakness's look like things a lot of young players struggle with and are things he can improve. Shot selection, consistency, percentages? Edwards and Cole have pretty much the same weakness's too. Where as LaMelo's strengths as an elite ball handler/passer with great vision are rare and things that are tough to develop late. Not many players see the floor the way he does and gives him the high ceiling especially at 6'8". Def worth the risk that he can improve on some of those flaws.

[HEZI]

Same dude has a strength video for him and it has 47 views though

Watch on YouTube

Ok, cool. I've seen all his strengths and know them too well. Dude that shot 37% from the field and 25% from 3 on high volume shots has way more weaknesses than strengths

His weakness's look like things a lot of young players struggle with and are things he can improve. Shot selection, consistency, percentages? Edwards and Cole have pretty much the same weakness's too. Where as LaMelo's strengths as an elite ball handler/passer with great vision are rare and things that are tough to develop late. Not many players see the floor the way he does and gives him the high ceiling especially at 6'8". Def worth the risk that he can improve on some of those flaws.

He's easily got the worst shot selection and shooting percentages in the entire draft. He's not in the same category as Edwards and Cole and neither of those two were efficient either but Lamelo is on another level when it comes to stupid shots and inefficiency. He's the absolute worst. Elite ball handling, not even. He has one effective Hesi that for some reason opposing players fall for even though he can't shoot. Anybody with any real sense would neve bite on that move because he can't shoot, just drop off him. Besides that his ball handling is solid but nothing special. Edwards has way better separation moves than him imo.

[Fat]

Lamelos shot selection can be improved anybody’s shot selection can be improved. He most likely will be a streaky volume shooter with an average shooting percentage. I don’t expect him to ever become a curry, Trae young type of shooter on the floor but I think he will still be somebody you have to guard out there.

I’d probably be more alert about his defense than his shooting. Very poor defense stances out there that just look plain bad at times.

But other than that I like the way he maneuvers on the court he doesn’t seem restricted or bothered by the defense. if he’s even Just a decent shooter he can cause havoc in iso and pick and roll which will open up more efficient shots for the rest of the team

So he's a "we gon get you right Lamelo" candidate?

How many broke jumper PGs are we going to experiment with and believe that we are going to fix their shot? When has it ever happened here?

Not to mention that awful shot selection. Who is really going to coach him out of those bad habits? This is the same kid who was shooting halfcourt shots to show off as a 15 / 16 year old. We are kidding ourselves into thinking he's just going to change his identity and who he is. This is who he is

Lamelo comes with elite point guard skills even with the bad shooting though. If what you bring to the table improves my teams efficiency on offense how can I complain. Simply surround him with complimentary shooters like you’d do with a Ben Simmons

If we drafted De’Andre hunter instead of barret I think the narrative changes. It seems like fit is more of the problem than it being lamelos talent. And if that’s the case you might as well draft hailburton and let RJ be your primary handler but is he skilled enough to play that type of role?

[HEZI]

Lamelos shot selection can be improved anybody’s shot selection can be improved. He most likely will be a streaky volume shooter with an average shooting percentage. I don’t expect him to ever become a curry, Trae young type of shooter on the floor but I think he will still be somebody you have to guard out there.

I’d probably be more alert about his defense than his shooting. Very poor defense stances out there that just look plain bad at times.

But other than that I like the way he maneuvers on the court he doesn’t seem restricted or bothered by the defense. if he’s even Just a decent shooter he can cause havoc in iso and pick and roll which will open up more efficient shots for the rest of the team

So he's a "we gon get you right Lamelo" candidate?

How many broke jumper PGs are we going to experiment with and believe that we are going to fix their shot? When has it ever happened here?

Not to mention that awful shot selection. Who is really going to coach him out of those bad habits? This is the same kid who was shooting halfcourt shots to show off as a 15 / 16 year old. We are kidding ourselves into thinking he's just going to change his identity and who he is. This is who he is

Lamelo comes with elite point guard skills even with the bad shooting though. If what you bring to the table improves my teams efficiency on offense how can I complain. Simply surround him with complimentary shooters like you’d do with a Ben Simmons

If we drafted De’Andre hunter instead of barret I think the narrative changes. It seems like fit is more of the problem than it being lamelos talent. And if that’s the case you might as well draft hailburton and let RJ be your primary handler but is he skilled enough to play that type of role?

Ben Simmons sticks to his strengths, he doesn't settle for shots he's not comfortable with. Yeah he needs a jumper but he still finds a way to cause havoc inside. You can surround Lamelo with all shooters, but at the end of the day his mindset is still going to be to shoot the most shots even if he isn't a good shooter. That is a problem. If he was more like his brother Lonzo, who stays within himself despite his flaws, it might be different. Lamelo is a gunner though and when you combine a gunner who likes to empty the clip but shoots blanks, it's not that effective. It's just for show.

[mpharris36]

Everybody has weaknesses that isn't the point. Lamelo Ball has Julius Randle type of weaknesses where he hurts your team a lot. Did you study the weaknesses or are you just content with knowing players have them therefore it's all good?

I do know LaMelo's weaknesses and saying he's a Julius Randle type negative player is crazy to me.

Randle is a career 1:1 assist to turnover ratio player who helps no one get his stats but himself.

LaMelo was 18 years old in a mens league with nearly a 3:1 assist to turnover ratio.

This idea that he just goes for the flashy pass is simply inaccurate.

Yes I am aware of his shooting right now. That is the biggest swing factor for me but I do think shooting is the one skillset that can ultimately be improved the most from a young prospect to later in the NBA career. So I am buying he wont be a sub 50% TS% player.

He's a terrible decision maker like Randle. Ball hog and selfish, like Randle. Terrible defense, like Randle. Thinks he's a star when he isnt one, like Randle. Can't spell LaMElo without the me. He's a self entitled diva. Do not want!

I think that isn't accurate but you seem to have your mind made up

You can't call someone a ball hog with a 36.12% assist percentage that would literally be 6th in the NBA of all qualified players.

[Deeeez Knicks]

Ok, cool. I've seen all his strengths and know them too well. Dude that shot 37% from the field and 25% from 3 on high volume shots has way more weaknesses than strengths

His weakness's look like things a lot of young players struggle with and are things he can improve. Shot selection, consistency, percentages? Edwards and Cole have pretty much the same weakness's too. Where as LaMelo's strengths as an elite ball handler/passer with great vision are rare and things that are tough to develop late. Not many players see the floor the way he does and gives him the high ceiling especially at 6'8". Def worth the risk that he can improve on some of those flaws.

He's easily got the worst shot selection and shooting percentages in the entire draft. He's not in the same category as Edwards and Cole and neither of those two were efficient either but Lamelo is on another level when it comes to stupid shots and inefficiency. He's the absolute worst. Elite ball handling, not even. He has one effective Hesi that for some reason opposing players fall for even though he can't shoot. Anybody with any real sense would neve bite on that move because he can't shoot, just drop off him. Besides that his ball handling is solid but nothing special. Edwards has way better separation moves than him imo.

He's got a nice handle...cross over, in-and-out dribble, and deceptively quick first step. Can get his shot off real quick or make a read and deliver a bullet point pass real quick. He keeps defenses off balance with the way he plays at different speeds, stop on a dime, change directions, and then can explode by. Its tough to cover, where someone like Cole looks like he only plays at 1 speed. A lot of it is in the way LaMelo has the ball on a string and can make quick decisions to pass, shoot or change directions/speed.

[islanders11040]

Ive seen some reputable sources say that we have pick #25. I thought it was 27. What is it?

[mpharris36]

Ive seen some reputable sources say that we have pick #25. I thought it was 27. What is it?

27 but I guess it could change since they will have regular season games

[mpharris36]

I think Anthony Edwards is the most talented player in the draft but I would call him more of a ball hog than Lamelo and if anything has similar if not more concerns about shot selection.