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Re: Heat want to pair Giannis and Oladipo 

Post#61 » by jimmy keys » Tue Jun 23, 2020 10:13 pm

Miami590 wrote:Both Miami and Toronto will have cap space to sign him to a max contract using the projected salary cap of $125 and might have room for two max players if they trade some players. The cap could also drop due to the coronavirus. To the people who are saying that we have no shot at Giannis and he would rather go to Toronto, which option looks better:

Toronto with Siakam, Powell(PO), OG(QO), Hernandez, Thomas, 2020 draft pick : Around $55 million total with $70 million in cap space

Or

Miami: Butler, Bam(QO), Nunn(low bird right), Herro, Robinson(low bird right), Okpala, Silva, 2020 draft pick: Around $64 million total with $61 million in cap space.

With Miami the lineup could look like this:

C: Bam(24)
PF: Giannis(27)
SF: Butler(32)
SG: Robinson(27)
PG: Nunn(26) or Herro(22)

6th man: Nunn or Herro
2020 draft pick
Silva
Okpala
And $20M left over

That’s if we don’t develop a random guy or two again into a productive NBA player next season


You forgot to mention Davis II. He might end being better than all of those role players. Also I think Miami has $51.5 million in cap space, you didn't count the minimum roster cap holds or Ryan Anderson's $5.2 million buy out.

It's basically Siakam + OG + TD II + 2 max spots vs. Butler + Bam + Herro + Nunn + Robinson + 1 max spot. Both are well positioned for sure. Not sure the Heat have an edge even on paper.
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Re: Heat want to pair Giannis and Oladipo 

Post#62 » by DayofMourning » Tue Jun 23, 2020 11:29 pm

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pipfan wrote:I proposed a deal where Miami sends Butler to GS, GS sends their top 3 pick to Miami, and the Minny pick to Chic, along with Wiggins and Looney (salary). Chi sends Porter Jr to Miami, along with something else (not sure how to balance the value)

GS gets a perfect win-now SF in Butler, and dumps Wiggins' deal
Chi gets a nice pick, and adds a SF who plays everyday. I highly doubt our chances in 2021 FA. With the new cap situation coming, Wiggins' deal becomes worse-but he does produce

Miami ends up with a core of Dunn, Herro and Bam, plus let's say Ball in this draft. They would then have 2 max FA spots in the summer of 2021. Porter might help them win games in 2020-21 (his contract year) since I know Riley doesn't want to tank

No thanks. Butler stays with Miami and that would send a bad message to any free agents who would consider signing with Miami.


Really depends on if butler is or isn't ok with the deal.


I'd normally jump at the chance to net a top prospect in the draft for a star player who will soon be entering a decline, but this draft is pretty scary at the top and Butler brings a whole lot more to the table than just his on court production.
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Re: Heat want to pair Giannis and Oladipo 

Post#63 » by skones » Tue Jun 23, 2020 11:49 pm

Good for them.

Not gonna happen.
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Re: Heat want to pair Giannis and Oladipo 

Post#64 » by Nites » Tue Jun 23, 2020 11:55 pm

I don't see Giannis leaving unless he's still ringless at 29 years old.
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Re: Heat want to pair Giannis and Oladipo 

Post#65 » by Miami590 » Wed Jun 24, 2020 12:02 am

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Miami590 wrote:Both Miami and Toronto will have cap space to sign him to a max contract using the projected salary cap of $125 and might have room for two max players if they trade some players. The cap could also drop due to the coronavirus. To the people who are saying that we have no shot at Giannis and he would rather go to Toronto, which option looks better:

Toronto with Siakam, Powell(PO), OG(QO), Hernandez, Thomas, 2020 draft pick : Around $55 million total with $70 million in cap space

Or

Miami: Butler, Bam(QO), Nunn(low bird right), Herro, Robinson(low bird right), Okpala, Silva, 2020 draft pick: Around $64 million total with $61 million in cap space.

With Miami the lineup could look like this:

C: Bam(24)
PF: Giannis(27)
SF: Butler(32)
SG: Robinson(27)
PG: Nunn(26) or Herro(22)

6th man: Nunn or Herro
2020 draft pick
Silva
Okpala
And $20M left over

That’s if we don’t develop a random guy or two again into a productive NBA player next season


You forgot to mention Davis II. He might end being better than all of those role players. Also I think Miami has $51.5 million in cap space, you didn't count the minimum roster cap holds or Ryan Anderson's $5.2 million buy out.

It's basically Siakam + OG + TD II + 2 max spots vs. Butler + Bam + Herro + Nunn + Robinson + 1 max spot. Both are well positioned for sure. Not sure the Heat have an edge even on paper.

I suppose, Bam and Siakam cancel each other out. That one extra max spot for Toronto cancels out with Butler but Toronto would need to trim some salaries to get that 2nd max spot which could leave them with just Siakim, Giannis and another max player. Our roster would have Butler, Giannis, Bam plus Nunn, Robinson, Herro, Silva, KZ and a FRP from this year. And an additional $15-$20m available.

I would take Herro and Robinson over Davis any day. Herro will become a really good scorer and Robinson is already one of the best three point shooters in the league.
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Re: Heat want to pair Giannis and Oladipo 

Post#66 » by TheBoi10 » Wed Jun 24, 2020 12:04 am

Goodluck, Oladipo doesn't look like the same player he was for a 1.5 seasons (17-18 is looking like an outlier) in Indy.
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Re: Heat want to pair Giannis and Oladipo 

Post#67 » by Boneman2 » Wed Jun 24, 2020 12:39 am

TheBoi10 wrote:Goodluck, Oladipo doesn't look like the same player he was for a 1.5 seasons (17-18 is looking like an outlier) in Indy.


Over the last five games (4-1) he averaged 18.5/5/4. Most importantly his explosiveness and speed look to be intact.
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Re: Heat want to pair Giannis and Oladipo 

Post#68 » by nzahir » Wed Jun 24, 2020 12:44 am

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levon wrote:I've always said the prize is Dipo for the Lakers in '21.


I really hope not. I don’t believe in Dipo. He’s been majorly hurt for multiple seasons. He had one good year. We already know how this story goes

What?

This was his 1st big injury

He missed like 15 games 1 yr in OKC

Oladipo would be a great get for the Lakers in 2021
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Re: Heat want to pair Giannis and Oladipo 

Post#69 » by KrazyP » Wed Jun 24, 2020 12:58 am

Oladipo is a major injury risk and Butler will be 33 when this thing can happen.......if I'm Giannis, I dont touch this situation as its lathered with extreme risk which is unnecessary for a guy that will still be in his prime.

The Mavs could be a interesting fit.....Doncic + Giannis could rule the NBA for a decade.
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Re: Heat want to pair Giannis and Oladipo 

Post#70 » by Profound23 » Wed Jun 24, 2020 1:12 am

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Re: Heat want to pair Giannis and Oladipo 

Post#71 » by Profound23 » Wed Jun 24, 2020 1:13 am

KrazyP wrote:Oladipo is a major injury risk and Butler will be 33 when this thing can happen.......if I'm Giannis, I dont touch this situation as its lathered with extreme risk which is unnecessary for a guy that will still be in his prime.

The Mavs could be a interesting fit.....Doncic + Giannis could rule the NBA for a decade.



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Re: Heat want to pair Giannis and Oladipo 

Post#72 » by goodboy » Wed Jun 24, 2020 1:27 am

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People have said this in the summer of 2010 too iirc
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Re: Heat want to pair Giannis and Oladipo 

Post#73 » by Ambrose » Wed Jun 24, 2020 3:15 am

I'm not sure I trust post-injury Dipo yet. Seems like a weird fit in general. I hope Giannis stays in Milwaukee and Dipo stays in Indiana. Both of those teams deserve the help.
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Re: Heat want to pair Giannis and Oladipo 

Post#74 » by Pharmcat » Wed Jun 24, 2020 3:16 am

This is why Riley is the best in the business...he is always forward thinking
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Re: Heat want to pair Giannis and Oladipo 

Post#75 » by Harcore Fenton Mun » Wed Jun 24, 2020 3:45 am

Oladipo's about to get a Whiteside style contract.
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Re: Heat want to pair Giannis and Oladipo 

Post#76 » by Hello Brooklyn » Wed Jun 24, 2020 3:58 am

Why would Giannis team up with Oladipo and Butler? Does that really put him in a much better position?

If Giannis leaves I'm sure it will be to team up with another top player like Luka.
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Re: Heat want to pair Giannis and Oladipo 

Post#77 » by jimmy keys » Wed Jun 24, 2020 4:26 am

Miami590 wrote:
jimmy keys wrote:
Miami590 wrote:Both Miami and Toronto will have cap space to sign him to a max contract using the projected salary cap of $125 and might have room for two max players if they trade some players. The cap could also drop due to the coronavirus. To the people who are saying that we have no shot at Giannis and he would rather go to Toronto, which option looks better:

Toronto with Siakam, Powell(PO), OG(QO), Hernandez, Thomas, 2020 draft pick : Around $55 million total with $70 million in cap space

Or

Miami: Butler, Bam(QO), Nunn(low bird right), Herro, Robinson(low bird right), Okpala, Silva, 2020 draft pick: Around $64 million total with $61 million in cap space.

With Miami the lineup could look like this:

C: Bam(24)
PF: Giannis(27)
SF: Butler(32)
SG: Robinson(27)
PG: Nunn(26) or Herro(22)

6th man: Nunn or Herro
2020 draft pick
Silva
Okpala
And $20M left over

That’s if we don’t develop a random guy or two again into a productive NBA player next season


You forgot to mention Davis II. He might end being better than all of those role players. Also I think Miami has $51.5 million in cap space, you didn't count the minimum roster cap holds or Ryan Anderson's $5.2 million buy out.

It's basically Siakam + OG + TD II + 2 max spots vs. Butler + Bam + Herro + Nunn + Robinson + 1 max spot. Both are well positioned for sure. Not sure the Heat have an edge even on paper.

I suppose, Bam and Siakam cancel each other out. That one extra max spot for Toronto cancels out with Butler but Toronto would need to trim some salaries to get that 2nd max spot which could leave them with just Siakim, Giannis and another max player. Our roster would have Butler, Giannis, Bam plus Nunn, Robinson, Herro, Silva, KZ and a FRP from this year. And an additional $15-$20m available.

I would take Herro and Robinson over Davis any day. Herro will become a really good scorer and Robinson is already one of the best three point shooters in the league.


Ok I agree on a few things.
Siakam = Bam
Max Player = Butler (albeit he'll be 32 by then)
OG > Herro or Robinson (much harder to find a guy who can guard 1-5 than a guy who can hit a 3)
TDII = Nunn

The Raptors have all their picks too and are every bit as good as Miami at drafting and developing talent.
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Re: Heat want to pair Giannis and Oladipo 

Post#78 » by Liminy » Wed Jun 24, 2020 4:55 am

Knicks want to pair Giannis with AD, Harden, Beal and Kawai.
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Re: Heat want to pair Giannis and Oladipo 

Post#79 » by Liminy » Wed Jun 24, 2020 4:57 am

Profound23 wrote:I would like to pair the powerball winning numbers with the megamillions winning numbers.


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Re: Heat want to pair Giannis and Oladipo 

Post#80 » by Johnny Bball » Wed Jun 24, 2020 5:08 am

SK21209 wrote:Bam Adebayo is a free agent in the summer of 2021, are the Heat really going to pay big money to Giannis, Butler, Oladipo and Bam? Even for Miami, that seems pretty damn hefty.


Nope. This entire thing is just rubbish if you ask me.

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