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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #2 

Post#1741 » by dice » Tue Jun 23, 2020 9:41 pm

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Dresden wrote:Even if Biden is in mental decline, he's still 10x better than Trump. Listen to Trump try to put together a sentence- he has trouble doing it. he is constantly mispronouncing words and getting facts wrong.

I honestly believe if Hillary were president, we'd have seen far fewer American deaths from COVID. Right now, we are 5% of the population, and have 24% of the world's COVID deaths. That's outrageous, for a country that is supposed to have the best medical system in the world.


Hillary could not beat Obama.

a whole lot of people could not beat obama. she did get more votes than he did, though
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #2 

Post#1742 » by HomoSapien » Tue Jun 23, 2020 9:56 pm

It's a real bummer that being overtly racist isn't a deal-breaker for some.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #2 

Post#1743 » by Dresden » Tue Jun 23, 2020 10:51 pm

I also think people might be surprised at how progressive some of Biden's cabinet appointments will be. Trump has done a lot of damage through the various agencies that he has put his cronies in charge of- the EPA, Education, Interior, Secy. State, etc. Having competent, bright people at the helm of our federal agencies will go a long way towards making some of the changes progressives would like to see.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #2 

Post#1744 » by Dresden » Tue Jun 23, 2020 10:54 pm

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Dozens of Republican former U.S. national security officials are forming a group that will back Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden, people familiar with the effort said, in a further sign that President Donald Trump has alienated some members of his own party.

The group will publicly endorse Biden in the coming weeks and its members plan to campaign for the former vice president who is challenging Trump in the Nov. 3 election, the sources said. It includes at least two dozen officials who served under Republican Presidents Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush and George W. Bush, with dozens more in talks to join, the sources added.

They will argue that another four years of a Trump presidency would endanger U.S. national security and that Republican voters should view Biden as the better choice despite policy differences, the sources said.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #2 

Post#1745 » by DuckIII » Tue Jun 23, 2020 11:02 pm

HomoSapien wrote:It's a real bummer that being overtly racist isn't a deal-breaker for some.


It’s not even that it’s not a deal breaker. It’s that for many, it’s the magnetic trait.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #2 

Post#1746 » by DuckIII » Tue Jun 23, 2020 11:06 pm

Dresden wrote:Trump has done a lot of damage through the various agencies that he has put his cronies in charge of- the EPA, Education, Interior, Secy. State, etc.


Are you suggesting drain the swamp does NOT mean appointing incompetent unqualified donors in transparent political backscratching?
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #2 

Post#1747 » by dice » Tue Jun 23, 2020 11:13 pm

Dresden wrote:I also think people might be surprised at how progressive some of Biden's cabinet appointments will be. Trump has done a lot of damage through the various agencies that he has put his cronies in charge of- the EPA, Education, Interior, Secy. State, etc. Having competent, bright people at the helm of our federal agencies will go a long way towards making some of the changes progressives would like to see.

in some cases i'd settle for...people. mediocre ones. 'cause there are a lot of positions that trump hasn't bothered to fill since taking office

the only black person in trump's cabinet is aunt jemima...oh, and ben carson. but joe biden would say that he's not really black
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #2 

Post#1748 » by GetBuLLish » Tue Jun 23, 2020 11:15 pm

As the NASCAR hoax is further evidence of, the demand for racism in this country vastly, vastly, vastly outstrips the actual supply of racism.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #2 

Post#1749 » by dice » Tue Jun 23, 2020 11:57 pm

states seeing severe spikes in new cases over the past week or so: TX, FL, AZ, SC, GA, OK, NV, OR, ID, MT, WY, WV, HA
states pretty steadily climbing over a longer period: CA, NC, TN, AL, WA, MO, UT, AK

nationwide case counts have been on upward trend again for over a week. so much for the summer dissipation. can't have a 2nd wave when the first never ended

trump having a rally in AZ tonight, where ICUs are at 83% of capacity. keeping hospitals below capacity is a bare minimum standard as we respond to this crisis

and the EU is strongly considering blocking americans from entering

just embarrassing
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #2 

Post#1750 » by HomoSapien » Wed Jun 24, 2020 12:19 am

GetBuLLish wrote:As the NASCAR hoax is further evidence of, the demand for racism in this country vastly, vastly, vastly outstrips the actual supply of racism.


This makes no sense.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #2 

Post#1751 » by _txchilibowl_ » Wed Jun 24, 2020 12:39 am

GetBuLLish wrote:As the NASCAR hoax is further evidence of, the demand for racism in this country vastly, vastly, vastly outstrips the actual supply of racism.



Do you know what a hoax is? Because it doesn't seem like you do....
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #2 

Post#1752 » by Dresden » Wed Jun 24, 2020 12:58 am

dice wrote:states seeing severe spikes in new cases over the past week or so: TX, FL, AZ, SC, GA, OK, NV, OR, ID, MT, WY, WV, HA
states pretty steadily climbing over a longer period: CA, NC, TN, AL, WA, MO, UT, AK

nationwide case counts have been on upward trend again for over a week. so much for the summer dissipation. can't have a 2nd wave when the first never ended

just embarrassing


People got to wear masks. Without that, we're going to be right back where we were 2 months ago. It's going to take another blast of cases before people realize it's not going away, apparently.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #2 

Post#1753 » by dice » Wed Jun 24, 2020 1:51 am

GetBuLLish wrote:As the NASCAR hoax is further evidence of, the demand for racism in this country vastly, vastly, vastly outstrips the actual supply of racism.

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why are you so triggered by the mere suggestion of racism? "NASCAR hoax"? what a weird comment. a hoax requires intentional misleading, which there is absolutely no reason to believe was going on here. shortly after successfully pushing for the removal of confederate flags from NASCAR event, the only black driver in the series is assigned a garage that happens to have a rope fashioned like a noose hanging in it...what would you think if you were bubba wallace in that situation? assume that it's just a weird coincidence and not report it? of course not. it just so happens that it WAS a weird coincidence

the same evidence that proves it was not done to terrorize wallace also proves that his response was not a "hoax." for if it was a hoax, that would require wallace's team to KNOW that the rope had been there since well before his garage assignment. which, of course, they couldn't have. if they wanted to create a false flag scenario, they could have done a whole lot better. so you're promoting a conspiracy theory that (like almost all of them) doesn't withstand the basic logic test. use yer noggin

the president of the united states shamelessly dog whistles racists for a reason. because there are enough of them to make the blowback worthwhile. there are enough of them for racism to still be codified in law in america

-as of 2002, 39% of white respondents did not disagree with the notion that blacks should not go anywhere they are not wanted

as of 2014, for white respondents:

-18% still disapproved of a relative marrying a black person
-29% disapproved of laws prohibiting a homeowner from refusing to sell to someone based on race
-23% thought that whites are more intelligent
-19% would be opposed to living in a neighborhood where half the neighbors are black

-there has always been very little support among whites for affirmative action, even though it is obviously true that the average black person has more to overcome to achieve the same as the average white person

the SITTING PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES:

-was once sued for refusing to rent to black people. by richard nixon's justice dept.!
-has also installed "white nationalists" in prime administration posts, including one who is currently pulling the strings on immigration policy
-advocated the death penalty for the "central park five", who were convicted but later absolved due to DNA evidence. trump has not only refused to apologize, but continues to say he believes they are guilty
-a former trump's castle employee says that when donald and ivana came to the casino when he worked there in the '80s, black employees were ordered off the floor
-is the nation's most prominent birther
-built a campaign on birtherism and building a wall to keep out mexican immigrants, who are "rapists bringing crime and drugs"
-as a candidate, called for a ban on all muslims entering the US
-as president argued that a judge should recuse himself from the trump university case because of his mexican heritage
-has attacked athletes silently protesting systemic racism
-called haiti and african nations "****hole countries"
-is according to one study much more likely to be supported by those who most deny the existence of racism and those most hostile toward the opposite sex
-is according to another study more likely to be supported by those who are told that america will be less than 50% white in 20 years
-according to yet another study his supporters were much more likely to change their views on housing policy depending on whether the subtle image featured on the form was of a black man or a white man. these racial cues did not significantly change the opinions of hillary clinton supporters

“Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day. … I think that the guy is lazy. And it’s probably not his fault, because laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is, I believe that. It’s not anything they can control.” - donald trump, according to john o'donnell, former president of trump plaza hotel/casino

"the stuff o'donnell wrote about me is probably true" - donald trump, 1997 playboy interview

"our glorious leader and ULTIMATE SAVIOR has gone full-wink-wink-wink to his most aggressive supporters" - andrew anglin, white supremacist writer at daily stormer, referencing trump's retweeting of "white genocide" accounts

"[charlottsville rally] meant to fulfill the promises of donald trump" - david duke

current occupant of oval office aside, we've come a long way as a nation. but we've got a long way to go. there are still a large number of racist americans. there just aren't many who are so dumb as to be overt about it:

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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #2 

Post#1754 » by PlayerUp » Wed Jun 24, 2020 6:35 am

musiqsoulchild wrote:So, you'll be voting for Trump most likely. And that's your prerogative.


I haven't made a decision yet.

The only decision I have made is to "get rid of the swamp". Get rid of the old toxic politicians and bring in new energetic ones. I am a strong believer there should be term limits. I do not want these same people running congress.

In terms of policies, I am mixed supporting all 4 parties views.

Immigration - I am pro conservative, anti democratic.
Climate - I am pro green party, anti conservative.
Energy - I am in the middle.
Healthcare - I am in the middle.
College - I am in the middle.
Prison/War on Drugs/Wages/Guns/Most Other Issues - I am pro libertian. Leave up to the states to decide.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #2 

Post#1755 » by PlayerUp » Wed Jun 24, 2020 7:40 am

HomoSapien wrote:It's a real bummer that being overtly racist isn't a deal-breaker for some.


No need to blame anyone here. It's the democratic party who decided to push for Biden who has a long history of problems himself.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #2 

Post#1756 » by PlayerUp » Wed Jun 24, 2020 8:21 am

coldfish wrote:To that end, Bernie was the worst possible candidate.


The absolute worst was Elizabeth Warren. She is cruel, a clear socialist, and a phony.

coldfish wrote:A Bernie nomination was 4 more years of Trump. The pandemic might have made that a question but at the time of the primaries, a vote for Bernie was a vote for Trump.


While I don't support Bernies policies, Bernie as a person unlike Biden has a fairly clean history and he still is strong/energetic/has a clear mindset despite being the exact same age as Biden. Would it have been enough to win a presidential election? No. However pushing forward with Biden because he had the best chance to beat Trump doesn't guarantee he wins in 2020 either.

The pathway and system to become president of the united states needs to be reworked. Both parties need to innovate and find a way to get the best possible options out there to actually make a run to become president. Over the course of the last 2 decades with the exception of Obama, the bulk of these candidates that have run for president for the most part have been terrible options while others that people actually want decide to never run. The president of the united states should be the person who is the best possible option out there.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #2 

Post#1757 » by PlayerUp » Wed Jun 24, 2020 8:32 am

Dresden wrote:I honestly believe if Hillary were president, we'd have seen far fewer American deaths from COVID. Right now, we are 5% of the population, and have 24% of the world's COVID deaths. That's outrageous, for a country that is supposed to have the best medical system in the world.


Wouldn't have mattered. We were doomed no matter what. The world was not ready for this. All you can do now is learn and congress should implement a plan for when the next COVID-19 hits the population.

Masks (ready to go)
Companies setup to make employees work from home
Ban all travel
etc etc

America has dodged so many viruses over the last decade but it's very possible in the near future a more deadlier virus could be unleashed amongst the population and/or a terrorist group could develop something that is 25x-50x worse than COVID-19.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #2 

Post#1758 » by musiqsoulchild » Wed Jun 24, 2020 11:57 am

GetBuLLish wrote:As the NASCAR hoax is further evidence of, the demand for racism in this country vastly, vastly, vastly outstrips the actual supply of racism.


1) A hoax requires a perpetrator. That noose has been there for years.Its not a Jussie Smollet....its an actual snake that turned out to be non-poisonous.


2) The demand for Racism is greater than the Supply of Racism? Nah....Racism is being manufactured at record levels.

The greatest salesman in America is dealing exclusively in Stupidity ( Covid handling) and Racism.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #2 

Post#1759 » by PlayerUp » Wed Jun 24, 2020 12:15 pm

GetBuLLish wrote:As the NASCAR hoax is further evidence of, the demand for racism in this country vastly, vastly, vastly outstrips the actual supply of racism.


Just to clarify here for those who aren't up to date on this, it was determined by the FBI no hate crime happened here.

https://tv5.espn.com/racing/nascar/story/_/id/29354447/fbi-says-rope-had-talladega-garage-last-fall-bubba-wallace-not-victim-hate-crime
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #2 

Post#1760 » by jmajew » Wed Jun 24, 2020 12:31 pm

Isn't this thread supposed to be about COVID-19 and not about politics? Can't we keep it that way?

Illinois is going to Phase 4 on Friday. Who all plans on going to go sit inside a restaurant, go to a movie, go bowling? I do not plan to go to a restaurant at all. I do not trust people to do what is right and safe. Pretty much same for any indoor activity where I'm stuck in same place for an extended period of time.

My gym, LifeTime, sent an email they are reopening on the 27th. My wife and I immediately put our membership on hold as we do not believe it is safe to go and to put our kids in the daycare. Heck - in their email they state they have sanitizer for us to clean the equipment before and after each use. i just don't get it. I'm not scared of the virus, I just wish people would take it serious. I would feel really bad if I got it and passed it on to my parents who are in their late sixties early 70s.

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