2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 6) -LOTTO 8/20 DRAFT 10/16!

[RHODEY]

What do we want out of the player the Knicks choose to draft. Like What are the boxes that need to be checked?

Fact of the matter is nobody in this lottery will you find peace with in all the areas your looking for. Somethings gonna give with whoever you take whether that be their ability to create, shoot, defend, score, pass. etc etc

That is what is being missed.

And the last thing they need to come out of this draft with is a guy that ends up being able to produce like Frank Ntilikina or Dennis Smith Jr. And not it's not hating on either, it's speaking reality of what they need and don't need. They don't need a Justise Windslow.
They don't need someone that will end up just being run of the mill ok. They need someone that can positively and significantly impact the game in some manner without needing to put on rose colored glasses.

They need to end up with the best flawed player for the position they draft in.

Or maybe they need to end up with the players that will end up the best in a few years. Like Hayes

[Worst_to_First]

I saw Wiseman just got a second vote...that you?

that's that one guy who comes here and always agrees with melo which makes me pretty sure it is melo

My guy worst to first knows what’s up!

James Wiseman.

No Matter What.

[Worst_to_First]

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Would take him over Lamelo and wouldn't even hesitate. Don't even want a big but I'd take my chance with Wiseman, get a point guard later.

If 3toheadmelo’s guy Randle is really a magnet for Top 2 picks I’d rather go Wiseman and Cade rather than LaMelo and Evan Mobley.

[robillionaire]

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Would take him over Lamelo and wouldn't even hesitate. Don't even want a big but I'd take my chance with Wiseman, get a point guard later.

If 3toheadmelo’s guy Randle is really a magnet for Top 2 picks I’d rather go Wiseman and Cade rather than LaMelo and Evan Mobley.

lamelo and bj boston

[bleedblue3303]

So bored and thought something. Let me know why I'm nuts or a mad genius. 2022 is going to be a draft for the ages. Bates is the next big prize. What if we traded out of this draft completely to atlanta or OKC for their 2022 picks. Then consider trading RJ or Mitch to the other team for 2 picks.
that would leave us including our own with 5 picks in the 2022 draft and 2 picks in 2021. we stink next year. Get as high a pick as possible. and then hopefully hit the paydirt in 2022 with one of our 5 picks being Bates.

[EMG518]

Just spent some time diving into the players in the draft. Came up with my top 10. I really would prefer we get one of the top 3 ideally or trade back if we are at a later pick.

BIG BOARD

1.Anthony Edwards
2.James Wiseman
3.Killian Hayes
4.Precious Achiuwa
5.Aaron Nesmith
6.Onyeka Okongwu
7.Deni Avdija
8.Tyrese Haliburton
8.Kira Lewis
9.RJ Hampton
10.Jaden Mcdaniels

[Jstock12]

dont fall for this scam.

What is that shooting techique (or lack thereof)

[thebuzzardman]

Only 400 pages and 8,000 posts until draft day!

[mpharris36]

Just spent some time diving into the players in the draft. Came up with my top 10. I really would prefer we get one of the top 3 ideally or trade back if we are at a later pick.

BIG BOARD

1.Anthony Edwards
2.James Wiseman
3.Killian Hayes
4.Precious Achiuwa
5.Aaron Nesmith
6.Onyeka Okongwu
7.Deni Avdija
8.Tyrese Haliburton
8.Kira Lewis
9.RJ Hampton
10.Jaden Mcdaniels

LaMelo not even in your top 10?

[mpharris36]

viewtopic.php?f=24&t=1972470

poll closing in about an hour so if you haven't gotten your votes in get them in. Have about 41 votes which is good for the board. Once this vote is complete we will switch to #2 on our big board.

[thebuzzardman]

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there is a weaknesses videos for anthony edwards too...doesn't mean I still wouldn't take him in the top 2.

Everybody has weaknesses that isn't the point. Lamelo Ball has Julius Randle type of weaknesses where he hurts your team a lot. Did you study the weaknesses or are you just content with knowing players have them therefore it's all good?

I want LaMelo but have these concerns as well; you've helped sell them.

So, ISO scorers tend to not help teams, as the ball stops with them (If they are that kind of player) and they have to have unreal efficiency to overcome that. Ex would be Antoine Walker on Boston etc, who didn't.

Some people (not you) confuse "ball dominant" with bad, but a ball dominant player, who has decent efficiency and is a very good playmaker is usually helpful.

The worry with LaMelo is that he'd be "ball dominant", and not an "iso scorer" but if his efficiency is bad and his decision making poor, then the easy buckets he'd get his team at times would be offset by lost possession on bad shots, turnovers, or just badly run sets.

I still want LaMelo, of course would be fine with Edwards, but I'm still wary of LaMelo.

[mpharris36]

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there is a weaknesses videos for anthony edwards too...doesn't mean I still wouldn't take him in the top 2.

Everybody has weaknesses that isn't the point. Lamelo Ball has Julius Randle type of weaknesses where he hurts your team a lot. Did you study the weaknesses or are you just content with knowing players have them therefore it's all good?

I want LaMelo but have these concerns as well; you've helped sell them.

So, ISO scorers tend to not help teams, as the ball stops with them (If they are that kind of player) and they have to have unreal efficiency to overcome that. Ex would be Antoine Walker on Boston etc, who didn't.

Some people (not you) confuse "ball dominant" with bad, but a ball dominant player, who has decent efficiency and is a very good playmaker is usually helpful.

The worry with LaMelo is that he'd be "ball dominant", and not an "iso scorer" but if his efficiency is bad and his decision making poor, then the easy buckets he'd get his team at times would be offset by lost possession on bad shots, turnovers, or just badly run sets.

I still want LaMelo, of course would be fine with Edwards, but I'm still wary of LaMelo.

I think that is what makes this draft so interesting. One day you can be looking at the strengths of some of these guys and be like...this is our guy...I want him.

Then the next day you see clips of there weaknesses and are like....yikes there are some glaring weaknesses here.

And that goes for anyone in this draft. Very polarizing. The long time between the draft wont help either because the more research you do on these guys the more you probably talk yourself out of picking them. Might just have to go with your gut on this one.

[EMG518]

Just spent some time diving into the players in the draft. Came up with my top 10. I really would prefer we get one of the top 3 ideally or trade back if we are at a later pick.

BIG BOARD

1.Anthony Edwards
2.James Wiseman
3.Killian Hayes
4.Precious Achiuwa
5.Aaron Nesmith
6.Onyeka Okongwu
7.Deni Avdija
8.Tyrese Haliburton
8.Kira Lewis
9.RJ Hampton
10.Jaden Mcdaniels

LaMelo not even in your top 10?

Nope, he would be in the 11-20 range for me. The shot, shot creation for himself, ft rate/percentage, and defense are too much for me to over look. I just can't envision him being good enough in those areas to justify playing him enough that he should get drafted that high. I am sure he will be drafted very high though and get those minutes regardless but I don't think it will be condusive to winning high level basketball.

[mpharris36]

Just spent some time diving into the players in the draft. Came up with my top 10. I really would prefer we get one of the top 3 ideally or trade back if we are at a later pick.

BIG BOARD

1.Anthony Edwards
2.James Wiseman
3.Killian Hayes
4.Precious Achiuwa
5.Aaron Nesmith
6.Onyeka Okongwu
7.Deni Avdija
8.Tyrese Haliburton
8.Kira Lewis
9.RJ Hampton
10.Jaden Mcdaniels

LaMelo not even in your top 10?

Nope, he would be in the 11-20 range for me. The shot, shot creation for himself, ft rate/percentage, and defense are too much for me to over look. I just can't envision him being good enough in those areas to justify playing him enough that he should get drafted that high. I am sure he will be drafted very high though and get those minutes regardless but I don't think it will be condusive to winning high level basketball.

fair, you obviously aren't afraid of going out on a limb with that list.

[EMG518]

LaMelo not even in your top 10?

Nope, he would be in the 11-20 range for me. The shot, shot creation for himself, ft rate/percentage, and defense are too much for me to over look. I just can't envision him being good enough in those areas to justify playing him enough that he should get drafted that high. I am sure he will be drafted very high though and get those minutes regardless but I don't think it will be condusive to winning high level basketball.

fair, you obviously aren't afraid of going out on a limb with that list.

Only time will tell. I actually like this draft quite a bit so looking forward to seeing it all transpire. Fingers crossed we get a very good player.

[thebuzzardman]

And yet the Knicks still should be picking between Ball, Edwards and Wiseman if they end up with the 1st overall pick. Stop with the nonsense fantasies about the other guys. Yes, yes, they each have their warts but so does every single player in this draft and just about every single player in every draft.

Given the Knicks horrendous bad luck in the lottery since Ewing, there's nothing to worry about as they'll end up outside the top tier players as usual, picking in the 6-8 lottery position.

[thebuzzardman]

Everybody has weaknesses that isn't the point. Lamelo Ball has Julius Randle type of weaknesses where he hurts your team a lot. Did you study the weaknesses or are you just content with knowing players have them therefore it's all good?

I want LaMelo but have these concerns as well; you've helped sell them.

So, ISO scorers tend to not help teams, as the ball stops with them (If they are that kind of player) and they have to have unreal efficiency to overcome that. Ex would be Antoine Walker on Boston etc, who didn't.

Some people (not you) confuse "ball dominant" with bad, but a ball dominant player, who has decent efficiency and is a very good playmaker is usually helpful.

The worry with LaMelo is that he'd be "ball dominant", and not an "iso scorer" but if his efficiency is bad and his decision making poor, then the easy buckets he'd get his team at times would be offset by lost possession on bad shots, turnovers, or just badly run sets.

I still want LaMelo, of course would be fine with Edwards, but I'm still wary of LaMelo.

I think that is what makes this draft so interesting. One day you can be looking at the strengths of some of these guys and be like...this is our guy...I want him.

Then the next day you see clips of there weaknesses and are like....yikes there are some glaring weaknesses here.

And that goes for anyone in this draft. Very polarizing. The long time between the draft wont help either because the more research you do on these guys the more you probably talk yourself out of picking them. Might just have to go with your gut on this one.

I'm still on the LaMelo hype train, but really intrigued by the idea of Edwards/RJ at 2/3. Of course, they'd both have to get more consistent on outside shooting, but I think it would work.

[3toheadmelo]

I have big concerns about Lamelo's and Edwards effiency. Wiseman still remains as the safest pick for me

Big part of that was due to poor shot selection. His shooting form is beautiful to watch, and he's quick and strong enough to get to the line at will. Get him a coach that can set him straight and hold him accountable, and you have a truly special player.

I agree with you on Wiseman though, he looks like he's gonna be great. He's currently nr. 2 on my big board.

Yeah if Edwards gets his head straight then he will be good. I don’t know if the Knicks have the proper development and coaching staffs to make that happen though.

Nice to see you’re on the Wiseman bandwagon as well bro

[3toheadmelo]

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Would take him over Lamelo and wouldn't even hesitate. Don't even want a big but I'd take my chance with Wiseman, get a point guard later.

If 3toheadmelo’s guy Randle is really a magnet for Top 2 picks I’d rather go Wiseman and Cade rather than LaMelo and Evan Mobley.

Lamelo is like the dollar store version of Cunningham and Mobley is no better than Mitch

[mpharris36]

Would take him over Lamelo and wouldn't even hesitate. Don't even want a big but I'd take my chance with Wiseman, get a point guard later.

If 3toheadmelo’s guy Randle is really a magnet for Top 2 picks I’d rather go Wiseman and Cade rather than LaMelo and Evan Mobley.

Lamelo is like the dollar store version of Cunningham and Mobley is no better than Mitch

you certainly have turned a corner...