Heat want to pair Giannis and Oladipo

[dhsilv2]

No thanks. Butler stays with Miami and that would send a bad message to any free agents who would consider signing with Miami.

Really depends on if butler is or isn't ok with the deal.

Even moreso, it depends if Miami is or isn't OK with the deal (they're not)

Well, that's ignoring the point of that hypothetical being a hypothetical. Poking the idea on legitimate grounds (reputation risk) is different than if they'd want to do it.

[dhsilv2]

No thanks. Butler stays with Miami and that would send a bad message to any free agents who would consider signing with Miami.

Really depends on if butler is or isn't ok with the deal.

I'd normally jump at the chance to net a top prospect in the draft for a star player who will soon be entering a decline, but this draft is pretty scary at the top and Butler brings a whole lot more to the table than just his on court production.

You'd need to be perhaps higher on porter jr, which is a tough one to imo have any opinion on, but I'd be risk adverse.

[KrazyP]

Oladipo is a major injury risk and Butler will be 33 when this thing can happen.......if I'm Giannis, I dont touch this situation as its lathered with extreme risk which is unnecessary for a guy that will still be in his prime.

The Mavs could be a interesting fit.....Doncic + Giannis could rule the NBA for a decade.

Yes, Doncic and Giannis can rule the NBA for a decade.....in Milwaukee.

Doncic to Milwaukee? No chance of that happening.

Doncic is on a rookie deal and will be a restricted free agent in 2022 which means the Mavs will match any offer and lock him up until 2027. Giannis is an unrestricted free agent next year so he can go where ever he wants.

That said, niether Giannis or Doncic have a Lebron/Durant girl-like ring chasing personality so Im not sure if they'd actually want to team up in Dallas.

Theres a good change Giannis stays in Milwaukee. That said, I think theres a legit shot of Giannis in Toronto as well.

1. Giannis-Ujiri connection
2. Toronto has a large Greek community
3. Ujiri has a proven winning track record
4. Canada doesn't have Trump politics and an unstable racial divide.

Giannis isn't American born so he may value multi-cultural life in Canada more than a typical American player.

[meekrab]

And I want to date Zooey Deschanel and Scarlett Johansson.

People have said this in the summer of 2010 too iirc

Are Victor and Giannis friends who have announced they want to play together like Dwyane and LeBron?

[nikster]

1. Yes. They're insanely good defensive athletes, they can switch everything with these types of guys. Dipo shoots well enough to complement offensively.
2. If dipo's injuries aren't a concern, yeah sure he's a top 25 players so sure he's a max guy.
3. Butler with those two would be beyond unfair for the league. That team would win a title on their defensive ability alone if they can fill in the rest of the roster.

That' like saying that the if the Raptors get Giannis, their defensive team can take down anyone. I say, being a raptor fan, if Giannis and that's a BIG "if" can somehow join the Raptors with Norm Powell / Pascal Siakam / Marc Gasol / Serge Ibaka / Fred Van Vleet and Kyle Lowry on the say team - come on - that's a crazy lineup defensively.

Also, if the Lakers can get Giannis, the same applies, they were trying to get Kawhi not too long ago.

Also, don't know that Dipo tips the scales..I would take Bradley Beal from Washington over Dipo anyday..

You would lose any day taking beal over dipo.

I dont know, Oladipo has one offensive season comparable to the last 4 of Beal. Add the benefit of way more spacing provided by Beal. Washington has had their problems buts its never been offense. Because of the defense I would take healthy dipo for sure, but with the injury concerns I would lean to Beal, especially for a pairing with a star like Giannis that doesnt provide shooting

[dhsilv2]

That' like saying that the if the Raptors get Giannis, their defensive team can take down anyone. I say, being a raptor fan, if Giannis and that's a BIG "if" can somehow join the Raptors with Norm Powell / Pascal Siakam / Marc Gasol / Serge Ibaka / Fred Van Vleet and Kyle Lowry on the say team - come on - that's a crazy lineup defensively.

Also, if the Lakers can get Giannis, the same applies, they were trying to get Kawhi not too long ago.

Also, don't know that Dipo tips the scales..I would take Bradley Beal from Washington over Dipo anyday..

You would lose any day taking beal over dipo.

I dont know, Oladipo has one offensive season comparable to the last 4 of Beal. Add the benefit of way more spacing provided by Beal. Washington has had their problems buts its never been offense. Because of the defense I would take healthy dipo for sure, but with the injury concerns I would lean to Beal, especially for a pairing with a star like Giannis that doesnt provide shooting

Dipo in his last two healthy seasons shot 36.6% from 3 on 5.5 attempts a game. The spacing issue seems pretty weak to me. And he wasn't getting the kinds of looks he'd get with Giannis on his team.

But, as a rule I'll always take defense over offense when pairing with a DPOY level superstar in Giannis. Scoring just isn't that important. Just look at the insanity of what the Buck's did this year on defense. He's the rare star who's defensive ability is justification to build a team around that.

[nikster]

You would lose any day taking beal over dipo.

I dont know, Oladipo has one offensive season comparable to the last 4 of Beal. Add the benefit of way more spacing provided by Beal. Washington has had their problems buts its never been offense. Because of the defense I would take healthy dipo for sure, but with the injury concerns I would lean to Beal, especially for a pairing with a star like Giannis that doesnt provide shooting

Dipo in his last two healthy seasons shot 36.6% from 3 on 5.5 attempts a game. The spacing issue seems pretty weak to me. And he wasn't getting the kinds of looks he'd get with Giannis on his team.

But, as a rule I'll always take defense over offense when pairing with a DPOY level superstar in Giannis. Scoring just isn't that important. Just look at the insanity of what the Buck's did this year on defense. He's the rare star who's defensive ability is justification to build a team around that.

Fair it might not be a large gap but he's more than 2 years removed from those shooting seasons.

I just think Beal would help the offense more than he hurts the D. Raps strategy would not have worked with Beal on the floor.

I guess the big question is what level Oladpio is coming back to. I don't see him being all defensive team or reaching his offensive peak again

[dhsilv2]

I dont know, Oladipo has one offensive season comparable to the last 4 of Beal. Add the benefit of way more spacing provided by Beal. Washington has had their problems buts its never been offense. Because of the defense I would take healthy dipo for sure, but with the injury concerns I would lean to Beal, especially for a pairing with a star like Giannis that doesnt provide shooting

Dipo in his last two healthy seasons shot 36.6% from 3 on 5.5 attempts a game. The spacing issue seems pretty weak to me. And he wasn't getting the kinds of looks he'd get with Giannis on his team.

But, as a rule I'll always take defense over offense when pairing with a DPOY level superstar in Giannis. Scoring just isn't that important. Just look at the insanity of what the Buck's did this year on defense. He's the rare star who's defensive ability is justification to build a team around that.

Fair it might not be a large gap but he's more than 2 years removed from those shooting seasons.

I just think Beal would help the offense more than he hurts the D. Raps strategy would not have worked with Beal on the floor.

I guess the big question is what level Oladpio is coming back to. I don't see him being all defensive team or reaching his offensive peak again

Beal grades out on RPM as a plus 0.25. Not in love with the adjustment to RPM and for some reason PIPM isn't working (paywall coming?). 2019 he graded out better at +1.51. Either way his defense is so bad that the metrics really do feel he's hurting his teams almost as much as he's helping. Now can you hide him with Giannis? Maybe so.

So I'm with you that Dipo coming back is a concern, but frankly Beal to me doesn't seem like the kinda player who is a real difference maker. Dipo, if healthy, can be that imo.

[Scalabrine]

I've always said the prize is Dipo for the Lakers in '21.

With what capspace?

[Hoopz Afrik]

All my Yoruba bros are chomping at the bit.....I doubt this becomes a thing but the Nigerian in me is here for it.

Masai Ujiri and Giannis have a strong connection based on some of the reports I've read so if anything, we may see a Giannis and Pascal duo (Naija and Cameroon are neighbors too).

[meekrab]

I've always said the prize is Dipo for the Lakers in '21.

With what capspace?

The only player on their 2022 payroll right now is LeBron, and that's only if he opts in..

[Scalabrine]

I've always said the prize is Dipo for the Lakers in '21.

With what capspace?

The only player on their 2022 payroll right now is LeBron, and that's only if he opts in..

And they are likely to extend Anthony Davis too right?

So that's a combined 80 million for two guys.

[levon]

With what capspace?

The only player on their 2022 payroll right now is LeBron, and that's only if he opts in..

And they are likely to extend Anthony Davis too right?

So that's a combined 80 million for two guys.

Both AD and Lebron can opt out (AD can sign 1+1s which is what I think he'll do until Lebron leaves/retires), and everyone else isn't technically on the books yet. Remains to be seen what Oladipo will command and if AD and Lebron will actually value flexibility with league revenue tanking.

[old skool]

Masai Ujiri and Giannis have a strong connection based on some of the reports I've read so if anything, we may see a Giannis and Pascal duo (Naija and Cameroon are neighbors too).

I think there are several teams with more of a connection to Antetokounmpo than the Raptors.

1. Orlando - John Hammond drafted Antetokounmpo, oversaw his assimilation into life in the United States and the NBA, and got his family into the country.

2. Milwaukee - Milwaukee has been home for he and his family for seven years. The Bucks built a winning team around him and provided a platform for him to win (presumably) two MVP's by the age of 25. They have led the league in wins two consecutive seasons and have been championship contenders two consecutive seasons. The Bucks have a top GM, a top coach, a new arena and practice facility, and a top roster.

3. Los Angeles Lakers - Jason Kidd was the head coach that developed him from a bench player to an All-Star.

4. Detroit - Assistant coach Sean Sweeney was his constant workout companion during Antetokounmpo's formative years in the NBA. Additionally, he has often referred to Thon Maker as "my brother".

No other NBA team has had an enduring day-to-day relationship with Antetokounmpo like those described above. Giannis has casual relationships with others in the NBA, but those relationships are based on sporadic interactions, that would seem to be less significant than these other professional relationships based on thousands of hours of working together.

[The Warrior]

Masai Ujiri and Giannis have a strong connection based on some of the reports I've read so if anything, we may see a Giannis and Pascal duo (Naija and Cameroon are neighbors too).

I think there are several teams with more of a connection to Antetokounmpo than the Raptors.

1. Orlando - John Hammond drafted Antetokounmpo, oversaw his assimilation into life in the United States and the NBA, and got his family into the country.

2. Milwaukee - Milwaukee has been home for he and his family for seven years. The Bucks built a winning team around him and provided a platform for him to win (presumably) two MVP's by the age of 25. They have led the league in wins two consecutive seasons and have been championship contenders two consecutive seasons. The Bucks have a top GM, a top coach, a new arena and practice facility, and a top roster.

3. Los Angeles Lakers - Jason Kidd was the head coach that developed him from a bench player to an All-Star.

4. Detroit - Assistant coach Sean Sweeney was his constant workout companion during Antetokounmpo's formative years in the NBA. Additionally, he has often referred to Thon Maker as "my brother".

No other NBA team has had an enduring day-to-day relationship with Antetokounmpo like those described above. Giannis has casual relationships with others in the NBA, but those relationships are based on sporadic interactions, that would seem to be less significant than these other professional relationships based on thousands of hours of working together.

Sure, but those relationships are more on a professional level. He doesn't have that with Masai but it's not like he's some bum and with his close personal relationship with Giannis and his family, which they apparently formed prior to the NBA, that's a pretty strong connection. Stronger than any those teams you mentioned except for Milwaukee. He's not going to leave Milwaukee because of his former workout companion or Thon Maker lol.

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[basketballRob]

We're looking to pair Garrett Temple and James Ennis in 2022.

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[old skool]

Masai Ujiri and Giannis have a strong connection based on some of the reports I've read so if anything, we may see a Giannis and Pascal duo (Naija and Cameroon are neighbors too).

I think there are several teams with more of a connection to Antetokounmpo than the Raptors.

1. Orlando - John Hammond drafted Antetokounmpo, oversaw his assimilation into life in the United States and the NBA, and got his family into the country.

2. Milwaukee - Milwaukee has been home for he and his family for seven years. The Bucks built a winning team around him and provided a platform for him to win (presumably) two MVP's by the age of 25. They have led the league in wins two consecutive seasons and have been championship contenders two consecutive seasons. The Bucks have a top GM, a top coach, a new arena and practice facility, and a top roster.

3. Los Angeles Lakers - Jason Kidd was the head coach that developed him from a bench player to an All-Star.

4. Detroit - Assistant coach Sean Sweeney was his constant workout companion during Antetokounmpo's formative years in the NBA. Additionally, he has often referred to Thon Maker as "my brother".

No other NBA team has had an enduring day-to-day relationship with Antetokounmpo like those described above. Giannis has casual relationships with others in the NBA, but those relationships are based on sporadic interactions, that would seem to be less significant than these other professional relationships based on thousands of hours of working together.

Sure, but those relationships are more on a professional level. He doesn't have that with Masai but it's not like he's some bum and with his close personal relationship with Giannis and his family, which they apparently formed prior to the NBA, that's a pretty strong connection. Stronger than any those teams you mentioned except for Milwaukee. He's not going to leave Milwaukee because of his former workout companion or Thon Maker lol.

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Has Antetokounmpo had a relationship with Ujiri that is more than sporadic? He has had daily contact with the people I mentioned. Heck, he has spent more time with Larry Drew and Taylor Jenkins than he has with Ujiri. Most of what has been reported in the media about any relationship with Ujiri has been vague and specious. Example - it has been reported that Ujiri helped Antetokounmpo's family emigrate from Nigeria to Greece. Does it seem reasonable that a college basketball player (Ujiri at the time) would be involved in any way with the emigration of a Nigerian family to Greece (before Giannis was born) with no notable connection to Ujiri or basketball? Example - it has been reported that Ujiri helped Antetokounmpo get his Greek citizenship to allow his entry into the United States. Does it seem reasonable that an NBA front office executive (Ujiri) would have more influence with Greece and the U.S. than a three term U.S. Senator (Bucks owner Herb Kohl)? I don't know of anything that constitutes Ujiri having a "close personal relationship" with Antetokounmpo, much less with his family.

[TheBallsDeeper]

Does Giannis really want to team up with a guy who's quad muscle might tear off the bone again? I'm not so sure.

If Giannis leaves, he's going to Toronto. 99.9999% sure of it.

And if AD leaves the Pelicans he's going to Boston.........

[greg4012]

I think there are several teams with more of a connection to Antetokounmpo than the Raptors.

1. Orlando - John Hammond drafted Antetokounmpo, oversaw his assimilation into life in the United States and the NBA, and got his family into the country.

2. Milwaukee - Milwaukee has been home for he and his family for seven years. The Bucks built a winning team around him and provided a platform for him to win (presumably) two MVP's by the age of 25. They have led the league in wins two consecutive seasons and have been championship contenders two consecutive seasons. The Bucks have a top GM, a top coach, a new arena and practice facility, and a top roster.

3. Los Angeles Lakers - Jason Kidd was the head coach that developed him from a bench player to an All-Star.

4. Detroit - Assistant coach Sean Sweeney was his constant workout companion during Antetokounmpo's formative years in the NBA. Additionally, he has often referred to Thon Maker as "my brother".

No other NBA team has had an enduring day-to-day relationship with Antetokounmpo like those described above. Giannis has casual relationships with others in the NBA, but those relationships are based on sporadic interactions, that would seem to be less significant than these other professional relationships based on thousands of hours of working together.

Sure, but those relationships are more on a professional level. He doesn't have that with Masai but it's not like he's some bum and with his close personal relationship with Giannis and his family, which they apparently formed prior to the NBA, that's a pretty strong connection. Stronger than any those teams you mentioned except for Milwaukee. He's not going to leave Milwaukee because of his former workout companion or Thon Maker lol.

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Has Antetokounmpo had a relationship with Ujiri that is more than sporadic? He has had daily contact with the people I mentioned. Heck, he has spent more time with Larry Drew and Taylor Jenkins than he has with Ujiri. Most of what has been reported in the media about any relationship with Ujiri has been vague and specious. Example - it has been reported that Ujiri helped Antetokounmpo's family emigrate from Nigeria to Greece. Does it seem reasonable that a college basketball player (Ujiri at the time) would be involved in any way with the emigration of a Nigerian family to Greece (before Giannis was born) with no notable connection to Ujiri or basketball? Example - it has been reported that Ujiri helped Antetokounmpo get his Greek citizenship to allow his entry into the United States. Does it seem reasonable that an NBA front office executive (Ujiri) would have more influence with Greece and the U.S. than a three term U.S. Senator (Bucks owner Herb Kohl)? I don't know of anything that constitutes Ujiri having a "close personal relationship" with Antetokounmpo, much less with his family.

Would love to get some concrete answers on this questions

[nitetrain8603]

I get Dipo is younger, but I'm not sure he's better than Jimmy Butler.