OT: COVID-19 thread #2

[PlayerUp]

Those are just alt right talking points. Claiming democrats want to keep people enslaved is pure propoganda.

I revised it. I think he is referencing the democrats who support a socialist movement.

[the ultimates]

The Democratic party's goal is to ultimately give the minority population just enough to get by, but keep them enslaved to the system in place with no opportunity to advance.

The Republican party takes a more harsher idealistic approach, and wants to pull the support rug out from the feet, and treat everyone as equals accepting there will be both be success stories, and also failures.

Whether or not these idealistic views are even possible, is anyone's guess,

I would like to know what dimension or universe that republican party you are talking about is from because it isn't this one.

I think you are in the alternative universe, basically every republican policy ever designed is to treat the current US population as equals. Its only the democratic policies that are designed to separate and isolate by race.

It should be illegal to have race on any job applicant, or college admission, or loan form.

Are we talking about the same republican party that has tried to roll back protections and rights for the LGBT community? The same party that doesn't believe in a woman's right to choose but also doesn't want to fund early childhood programs and things like Medicaid that the child may need. The same party that keeps giving out needless tax breaks to the upper one percent? We must have totally different definitions of equality.

[Dan Z]

government accountability office said today that the trump administration delivered stimulus payments to around a million dead people. to be fair, that's less than 1% of the people who were supposed to get it. it was probably inevitable to some degree

Has everyone received their stimulus payment? I never got my stimulus payment nor did I get one when Obama issued them as well. When I go to the IRS website, they say this:



I'm definitely eligible so that isn't the case. My wife also never got any form of payment. Not sure why that is, maybe because I'm overseas but it's not a big deal. I would just donate the money anyway as I have never asked the government ever for any form of income.

I used to get the same response on the IRS website, but I tried this and it worked.

Read on Twitter

I hope that helps.

[2018C3]

I support the womens right to choose, I just don't think its right for tax payers who are against abortion should be forced to pay for it, fund the murders yourself.

Treat all gays . lesbians , and whatever exactly the same with no special rights for any sexual orientation, If you want sexual surgery, erection pills, or breast implants pay for it yourself.

[dice]

This is 100% correct.

what did hillary "give" that biden won't? like i said, i would expect the same thing from both as president: a continuation of obama administration policies (with concessions to the current political climate, of course. both are very much in the calculated politician mold)

ugh, why does everyone love obama soooooooooooo much? He's the most overrated president in recent history. Obama policy.... great some more half assed health care and failed compromises with the right and corporate democrates.

Hilary's concessions.
https://www.vox.com/2016/7/1/12083494/bernie-sanders-democratic-party-concessions

first of all, she didn't actually concede to any of that. it was merely changes to the stated party platform, which a president has no obligation to govern by. and unless the party platform is changed to get rid of those additions in 2020, biden is effectively "conceding" the same things that hillary did, none of which were ever actually enacted, possibly in part because...many of bernie's supporters voted for trump

secondly, i didn't claim to love the results of the obama presidency. it was a disappointment, frankly. but he was handed a **** sandwich in the form of the "great recession", which he effectively ushered us through, and faced the most obstructionist congress in history over the last 6 years of his presidency, including a government shutdown

but not every democratic president in his position would have been able to get the health care reform that he did. he wanted a public option, which would have been a huge game changer, but it became politically infeasible due to weasel joe lieberman and perhaps a few "blue dog" democrats in the senate as well. highly unfortunate

also raised taxes on the wealthy, saved the american auto industry, appointed elizabeth warren to head the newly created consumer financial protection bureau, issued dozens of executive orders to help the LGBTQ community, ended "don't ask, don't tell", signed off on the biggest financial regulations in generations, created DACA, flattened energy demand by issuing efficiency standards, reduced the federal prison population for the first time in generations, began to phase out federal private prisons, ended a ban on needle exchange programs, reduced the sentencing disparity between crack and powder cocaine, directed federal prosecutors to abide by state marijuana laws, handled the racial vitriol against he and his wife magnificently, negotiated arms reduction deals w/ russia and iran, withdrew the vast majority of iraq troops in his first 3 years, normalized relations w/ cuba, etc.

[dice]

I support the womens right to choose, I just don't think its right for tax payers who are against abortion should be forced to pay for it, fund the murders yourself.

so...you support a woman's right to commit murder?

[PlayerUp]

I used to get the same response on the IRS website, but I tried this and it worked.

Same error. I'm not even sure what address to put since I live in multiple locations. I put my tax returns address or the address I have on file with the IRS but it didn't work.

[dice]

I would like to know what dimension or universe that republican party you are talking about is from because it isn't this one.

I think you are in the alternative universe, basically every republican policy ever designed is to treat the current US population as equals. Its only the democratic policies that are designed to separate and isolate by race.

It should be illegal to have race on any job applicant, or college admission, or loan form.

Are we talking about the same republican party that has tried to roll back protections and rights for the LGBT community? The same party that doesn't believe in a woman's right to choose but also doesn't want to fund early childhood programs and things like Medicaid that the child may need. The same party that keeps giving out needless tax breaks to the upper one percent? We must have totally different definitions of equality.

the birther party is very pro-life...until the child is born

[2018C3]

I support the womens right to choose, I just don't think its right for tax payers who are against abortion should be forced to pay for it, fund the murders yourself.

so...you support a woman's right to commit murder?

I personally do not, but if a women wants to have a abortion on her own funds I can't do do much to stop it, I think if either parent wants to raise a consensual child they should have the right to do so, whether its a mistake or not, and the opposing party should be held responsible for 1/2 the funds regardless of sex.

My whole ideal is to treat everyone exactly the same.

[the ultimates]

I support the womens right to choose, I just don't think its right for tax payers who are against abortion should be forced to pay for it, fund the murders yourself.

Treat all gays . lesbians , and whatever exactly the same with no special rights for any sexual orientation, If you want sexual surgery, erection pills, or breast implants pay for it yourself.

You do realize that rights and protections for the LGBT community and other minorities came about because they were being discriminated against right? These laws weren't just made up out of the blue for no reason or to pander to people.

Now for abortion would you like your tax dollars to go to early childhood programs for those non-aborted kids if they need them or should the child and family fend for themselves?

[dice]

I support the womens right to choose, I just don't think its right for tax payers who are against abortion should be forced to pay for it, fund the murders yourself.

so...you support a woman's right to commit murder?

I personally do not, but if a women wants to have a abortion on her own funds I can't do do much to stop it, I think if either parent wants to raise a consensual child they should have the right to do so, whether its a mistake or not, and the opposing party should be held responsible for 1/2 the funds regardless of sex.

the point i was trying to make is that murder is illegal. by definition. killing an unborn child is not murder

and why should an unborn child have any more rights than, say, a pig being led to slaughter? both presumably feel pain in equal measure (the pig is killed less humanely), the pig has as much or more of an emotional connection to humans (the unborn child's only real connection is to the mother, who doesn't want it)...

the only argument that there should be restrictions on abortion prior to the child being able to feel pain is on religious grounds

[2018C3]

I think if a parent can not care for there child, it should go to adoption, First off irresponsible parents should not be having children if they can't afford them. Point the finger at the source of the problem, and not the safety blanket that allows it to happen.

This is a problem in today's society, fingers are not pointed in the right direction. Point it at the people who screw up, not the people who have to fix it.

Dice, to me abortion is murder, to you its not. Its my right to call it murder, and its your right to call it whatever you want, The only thing that maters is we both are able to express are own views on the subject.

[PrimzyBulls81]

Got any facts/sources to back up this disgusting claim?

wau,really? Type in Google or Youtube - Biden child molester and you will find bunch of videos of that freak touching and smelling kids like candy..

you are gravely insulting children who have actually been molested and should be ashamed of yourself

you probably believed the pizzagate conspiracy theory, didn't ya? maybe still do

Wtf, conspiracy theory??? If you dont believe pizzagate is real, you are clueless as you can be. Jeez! Cant believe you said that. You cant be so blindsided sheep, cant you?

[_txchilibowl_]

wau,really? Type in Google or Youtube - Biden child molester and you will find bunch of videos of that freak touching and smelling kids like candy..

you are gravely insulting children who have actually been molested and should be ashamed of yourself

you probably believed the pizzagate conspiracy theory, didn't ya? maybe still do

Wtf, conspiracy theory??? If you dont believe pizzagate is real, you are clueless as you can be. Jeez! Cant believe you said that. You cant be so blindsided sheep, cant you?

I just checked one of your preferred sources: Google.

The entire first page says CONSPIRACY all over it. So strange...

Honestly, I feel somewhat sorry for you and people like yourself. My mom has found her way to this dark rabbit hole of lies as well and she now lives in constant suspicion and fear. That's no way to live life. The irony is that she, much like you I suspect, is constantly parroting the "Fake News" mantra and doesn't realize she's the one propagating all the fakeness.

Anyway, I've realized there's no arguing with people like you/her. You're so dug in and entrenched on this narrative that nothing could persuade you back to reality. It really is sad...

[The Box Office]

I think if a parent can not care for there child, it should go to adoption, First off irresponsible parents should not be having children if they can't afford them. Point the finger at the source of the problem, and not the safety blanket that allows it to happen.

This is a problem in today's society, fingers are not pointed in the right direction. Point it at the people who screw up, not the people who have to fix it.

Dice, to me abortion is murder, to you its not. Its my right to call it murder, and its your right to call it whatever you want, The only thing that maters is we both are able to express are own views on the subject.

It's people's right to have kids if they want. Who are you to judge? You're nobody. Just like the rest of us, me included. Why do people work so hard for crap pay? CEOs hoard all the money and they definitely get greedy. You do realize that we're about to hit 50 million unemployment claims, right? It's insanely difficult to get a higher pay job nowadays.

And I wouldn't blame people over matters like this such as having kids. Don't you get tired of that? The blame becomes never ending. What else you gonna do? Blame colored people for your problems? Nazis and KKK do that very well.

Blame 5G for your health? Blame Soros for not giving you good anime? Blame Hillary Clinton for being Republican's boogeyman? Oh wait, blame Obama. Blame AOC. Don't you get tired of confusing Bernie Sanders with NFL Legend, Barry Sanders?

Blame your family, too? Blame RealGM? then what? Pizzagate? LOL. You actually believe that. Ok. Umm what else? Blame the Supreme Court for curb stomping Republicans more than 3 times in 2 weeks?

Did you get that $1200 stimulus? Since you don't care about safety nets, give me your money. You obviously don't want it.

Do you believe that Covid 19 is a hoax? If you do, I double dare you to go to ANY hospital without a mask or any PPE. Go into the ICU. Hug and shake hands with infected Covid 19 patients. Let's see if it's a hoax. I'm waiting since you're a bad a.ss. Go do that and report to RealGM.

[Dresden]

I support the womens right to choose, I just don't think its right for tax payers who are against abortion should be forced to pay for it, fund the murders yourself.

Treat all gays . lesbians , and whatever exactly the same with no special rights for any sexual orientation, If you want sexual surgery, erection pills, or breast implants pay for it yourself.

I'm a pacifist, can I opt out of paying for our war machine?

[Dresden]

The Democratic party's goal is to ultimately give the minority population just enough to get by, but keep them enslaved to the system in place with no opportunity to advance.

The Republican party takes a more harsher idealistic approach, and wants to pull the support rug out from the feet, and treat everyone as equals accepting there will be both be success stories, and also failures.

Whether or not these idealistic views are even possible, is anyone's guess,

Who is this Democratic Party that makes this decision? Is this the DNC, that meets behind closed doors, and talks about this? You don't think it would leak out if that was actually their plan?

Democrats would give poor people a lot more than "just enough to get by on" if the republicans didn't fight them tooth and nail over every appropriation to fund programs for the poor. They don't have control over the govt. They still need republican votes to get anything passed.

[TheStig]

government accountability office said today that the trump administration delivered stimulus payments to around a million dead people. to be fair, that's less than 1% of the people who were supposed to get it. it was probably inevitable to some degree

Has everyone received their stimulus payment? I never got my stimulus payment nor did I get one when Obama issued them as well. When I go to the IRS website, they say this:



I'm definitely eligible so that isn't the case. My wife also never got any form of payment. Not sure why that is, maybe because I'm overseas but it's not a big deal. I would just donate the money anyway as I have never asked the government ever for any form of income.

I got mine 2 months ago automatically as a direct deposit one day.

[moorhosj]

ugh, why does everyone love obama soooooooooooo much? He's the most overrated president in recent history. Obama policy.... great some more half assed health care and failed compromises with the right and corporate democrates.

Hilary's concessions.
https://www.vox.com/2016/7/1/12083494/bernie-sanders-democratic-party-concessions

I think people like Obama the person more than the politician. Despite what right-wing media will tell you, he was pretty moderate as a President.

The other thing he has going for him is that 2 of the 3 most recent Presidents have performed pretty poorly in the public’s eye (based entirely on approval polling not legislation or tweets).

[moorhosj]

The Democratic party's goal is to ultimately give the minority population just enough to get by, but keep them enslaved to the system in place with no opportunity to advance.

The Republican party takes a more harsher idealistic approach, and wants to pull the support rug out from the feet, and treat everyone as equals accepting there will be both be success stories, and also failures.

Whether or not these idealistic views are even possible, is anyone's guess,

I’m not sure that has ever really played out in reality. In my lifetime, Democrats have supported expanded social security, universal healthcare access, paid maternity/paternity leave, paid medical leave, and increased minimum wage. These are all things that would help those at the lower rungs of the ladder move up.

Republicans have been against same-sex marriage, for voter ID laws, for the War on Drugs, for private prison industry, and for discrimination based on pre-existing conditions.

These don’t seem like treating people as “equals” it seems more like codifying “winners” and “losers”. The real question is if Republicans care so much about racial equality, why don’t black folks support them in any significant numbers? Why did all the admitted KKK and neo-Nazi sympathizers support Trump? https://www.nationalmemo.com/an-extremely-partial-list-of-white-supremacists-who-support-donald-trump

If your theory were true, wouldn’t they actually support Democrats?