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Wilber85 wrote:Mjee wrote:Wilber85 wrote:I have COVID 19 tests positive last night!
Wonder who the 2 suns are that has it?
I hope you are feeling ok my man !!! Hang in there bro
I am feeling good thanks! There is a trend though!
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Ghost of Kleine wrote:ImNotMcDiSwear wrote:nevetsov wrote:
Yeah, you're spot on. I think this is why we usually cap them at 100 pages.
Lock 'em up, buttercup.
The formatting was messed by GoK's post #2285. If he deletes it, this will all clear up.
Better??
Thanks man, Just seeing this, Not sure why it did that with the post though???
bwgood77 wrote:Ghost of Kleine wrote:ImNotMcDiSwear wrote:
The formatting was messed by GoK's post #2285. If he deletes it, this will all clear up.
Better??
Thanks man, Just seeing this, Not sure why it did that with the post though???
It happens when you use quotes and spoilers and instead of (spoiler) (quote) content (quote) (spoiler) you make a post that does something like (spoiler) (quote) content (spoiler) (quote)
If I see it happen I usually fix it but didn't see it. If this happens, someone can report the post too, and I will get to and fix.
Ghost of Kleine wrote:http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y749ndog
A crazy trade idea, I know! And I hate the proposition of potentially losing Oubre. But in this scenario, We Turn Oubre and Jerome into:
- Frank Ntilikina.
He's a decent Veteran defensive guard, That can get streaky and is still a solid contributor for a 2nd- 3rd string guard throw in.
- Wayne Ellington.
He's a solid veteran 2 guard, That's hitting around 37% on his threes, and 83% from the line. Also plays decent defense.
- Jaden McDaniels.
He's got to get stronger, But he's 6'10, mobile, and a career 37% 3 pt shooter. And 82% from the line.
https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/4066731/jalen-mcdaniels
*** Both Nitkilina And Ellington expire in 2021, Giving us an additional 13 million in cap space too. And McDaniels is making under 1 million.
*** We still keep the 10th pick!
But now we also get back:
- Charlottes' 8th overall pick.
- New York's 27th overall pick AND the Dallas unprotected 2021 First.
At the deadline, We can flip Nitkilina and Ellington (*Both expirings next season) to another team for a higher tier veteran??? But we now have :
8th pick-
*** Trade to Boston for Marcus Smart and the 17th pick.
10th pick-
Trade to Detroit for Luke Kennard.
**************
17th pick.
Draft Jalen Smith or Paul Reed or Reggie Perry???
- 27th pick.
Draft Daniel Oturu or Vernon Carey **( Baynes replacement after (1 yr deal).
So post trade, We basically turned Oubre and Ty Jerome into:
Marcus Smart/ Luke Kennard/ Frank Ntilikina/ Wayne Ellington/ Jaden McDaniels. ** All veterans.
Then in free agency, I'd look to bring back Saric on the qualifying offer or Kaminsky on the team option perhaps. And then resign Baynes.
King4Day wrote:Ghost of Kleine wrote:http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y749ndog
A crazy trade idea, I know! And I hate the proposition of potentially losing Oubre. But in this scenario, We Turn Oubre and Jerome into:
- Frank Ntilikina.
He's a decent Veteran defensive guard, That can get streaky and is still a solid contributor for a 2nd- 3rd string guard throw in.
- Wayne Ellington.
He's a solid veteran 2 guard, That's hitting around 37% on his threes, and 83% from the line. Also plays decent defense.
- Jaden McDaniels.
He's got to get stronger, But he's 6'10, mobile, and a career 37% 3 pt shooter. And 82% from the line.
https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/4066731/jalen-mcdaniels
*** Both Nitkilina And Ellington expire in 2021, Giving us an additional 13 million in cap space too. And McDaniels is making under 1 million.
*** We still keep the 10th pick!
But now we also get back:
- Charlottes' 8th overall pick.
- New York's 27th overall pick AND the Dallas unprotected 2021 First.
At the deadline, We can flip Nitkilina and Ellington (*Both expirings next season) to another team for a higher tier veteran??? But we now have :
8th pick-
*** Trade to Boston for Marcus Smart and the 17th pick.
10th pick-
Trade to Detroit for Luke Kennard.
**************
17th pick.
Draft Jalen Smith or Paul Reed or Reggie Perry???
- 27th pick.
Draft Daniel Oturu or Vernon Carey **( Baynes replacement after (1 yr deal).
So post trade, We basically turned Oubre and Ty Jerome into:
Marcus Smart/ Luke Kennard/ Frank Ntilikina/ Wayne Ellington/ Jaden McDaniels. ** All veterans.
Then in free agency, I'd look to bring back Saric on the qualifying offer or Kaminsky on the team option perhaps. And then resign Baynes.
It might be because I live in the area and am a Charlotte defender but I just don't see the Hornets moving all of their young assets to bring in Randle and Jonas. Those 2 players are role players you bring in to help try to put a team over the top (similar to the Marc Gasol to Toronto deal last season).
Also, I'm not sure who they could draft at #8 ( in a widely percieved mediocre draft) or attract in free agency that would give them that level of production, much less a combined output of around 35 points and 20 rebounds! 
could be quite cool! 
basketballRob wrote:Aaron Gordon, Birch, our 1st for Oubre, Baynes, and your 1st.
nevetsov wrote:basketballRob wrote:Aaron Gordon, Birch, our 1st for Oubre, Baynes, and your 1st.
Oubre = Gordon (arguably)
Baynes >> Birch
Suns 1st > Magic 1st
No thanks.
starbosa10 wrote:nevetsov wrote:basketballRob wrote:Aaron Gordon, Birch, our 1st for Oubre, Baynes, and your 1st.
Oubre = Gordon (arguably)
Baynes >> Birch
Suns 1st > Magic 1st
No thanks.
Also isn't Baynes going to be a FA?
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I get the feeling they and a lot of other sports are relying on a Vaccine. Who knows, at this pace, may be the herd mentality method wins out. ImNotMcDiSwear wrote:starbosa10 wrote:nevetsov wrote:
Oubre = Gordon (arguably)
Baynes >> Birch
Suns 1st > Magic 1st
No thanks.
Also isn't Baynes going to be a FA?
Yeah, Baynes can't be included in any trades. I also don't think the draft picks should be involved. If the teams want to exchange Oubre and Gordon, just let it be those two. To date, Oubre's been the better player, though Aaron's shown flashes of having more to his game. My issue with a straight up trade (if we're just talking about the players) is the steal and block numbers, where Oubre's way ahead.
But the real issue is the contracts. Oubre wants an extension, but in this environment, what will be able to get? Aaron's already locked up on a big ol' contract - is he worth the money, especially in this new environment? Sure, we could lose Oubre for nothing, but then, presumably, we'd have the financial room to make something happen. Would Orlando be just as happy pushing Gordon's contract to the curb as they'd be re-signing Oubre to a big extension? I think it's at least plausible. Plus, we exchange Oubre for Gordon and we're immediately out more cap space this summer. We have enough holes in our roster to fill, so I prefer to keep that FA cash, maybe even try to get more of it.
I don't see what else ORL has to offer and no reason at all to exchange the #10 for the #15. Truly, I see no reasonable deal that can be made between our franchises.
bwgood77 wrote:ImNotMcDiSwear wrote:starbosa10 wrote:Also isn't Baynes going to be a FA?
Yeah, Baynes can't be included in any trades. I also don't think the draft picks should be involved. If the teams want to exchange Oubre and Gordon, just let it be those two. To date, Oubre's been the better player, though Aaron's shown flashes of having more to his game. My issue with a straight up trade (if we're just talking about the players) is the steal and block numbers, where Oubre's way ahead.
But the real issue is the contracts. Oubre wants an extension, but in this environment, what will be able to get? Aaron's already locked up on a big ol' contract - is he worth the money, especially in this new environment? Sure, we could lose Oubre for nothing, but then, presumably, we'd have the financial room to make something happen. Would Orlando be just as happy pushing Gordon's contract to the curb as they'd be re-signing Oubre to a big extension? I think it's at least plausible. Plus, we exchange Oubre for Gordon and we're immediately out more cap space this summer. We have enough holes in our roster to fill, so I prefer to keep that FA cash, maybe even try to get more of it.
I don't see what else ORL has to offer and no reason at all to exchange the #10 for the #15. Truly, I see no reasonable deal that can be made between our franchises.
Well, Oubre was the better player this past year, but Gordon has had the better overall career so far, and even as recently as the year before this last (current) one, Gordon was better.....triple the assists, substantially more rebounds, better from 3, a lot better defender...
http://bkref.com/tiny/rQfx4
The question is, the last (current) year...is it a trend or an anomoly? While I think Oubre will stay where he was or perhaps get better if the injury doesn't hurt him, I also think Gordon could bounce back, and I do feel that he will do a lot better with a change of scenery.
I do like the idea of a great passing PF with our primary scorers in Ayton and Booker, as well as having another Amare-type finisher for Rubio and Booker to utilize.
However, Oubre's intangibles and energy for this team are nice and infectious.
I just always have a harder time embracing "me" players who are more about themselves and getting their stats...guys who don't set up others.
Now you mention contracts. Gordon's a FA the year after Oubre, so I don't know if I'd call it a big ol contract. He will have 2 years at a total of $34.5 million left starting in 2020.
I am not saying I'd definitely do the trade, and their are pluses and minuses to both players. I wouldn't really want to pay Oubre more than the average per year that Gordon is making the next couple of years.
Justin Anderson is receiving interest from multiple teams ahead of the NBA's restart.
basketballRob wrote:Aaron Gordon, Birch, our 1st for Oubre, Baynes, and your 1st.
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ImNotMcDiSwear wrote:bwgood77 wrote:ImNotMcDiSwear wrote:
Yeah, Baynes can't be included in any trades. I also don't think the draft picks should be involved. If the teams want to exchange Oubre and Gordon, just let it be those two. To date, Oubre's been the better player, though Aaron's shown flashes of having more to his game. My issue with a straight up trade (if we're just talking about the players) is the steal and block numbers, where Oubre's way ahead.
But the real issue is the contracts. Oubre wants an extension, but in this environment, what will be able to get? Aaron's already locked up on a big ol' contract - is he worth the money, especially in this new environment? Sure, we could lose Oubre for nothing, but then, presumably, we'd have the financial room to make something happen. Would Orlando be just as happy pushing Gordon's contract to the curb as they'd be re-signing Oubre to a big extension? I think it's at least plausible. Plus, we exchange Oubre for Gordon and we're immediately out more cap space this summer. We have enough holes in our roster to fill, so I prefer to keep that FA cash, maybe even try to get more of it.
I don't see what else ORL has to offer and no reason at all to exchange the #10 for the #15. Truly, I see no reasonable deal that can be made between our franchises.
Well, Oubre was the better player this past year, but Gordon has had the better overall career so far, and even as recently as the year before this last (current) one, Gordon was better.....triple the assists, substantially more rebounds, better from 3, a lot better defender...
http://bkref.com/tiny/rQfx4
The question is, the last (current) year...is it a trend or an anomoly? While I think Oubre will stay where he was or perhaps get better if the injury doesn't hurt him, I also think Gordon could bounce back, and I do feel that he will do a lot better with a change of scenery.
I do like the idea of a great passing PF with our primary scorers in Ayton and Booker, as well as having another Amare-type finisher for Rubio and Booker to utilize.
However, Oubre's intangibles and energy for this team are nice and infectious.
I just always have a harder time embracing "me" players who are more about themselves and getting their stats...guys who don't set up others.
Now you mention contracts. Gordon's a FA the year after Oubre, so I don't know if I'd call it a big ol contract. He will have 2 years at a total of $34.5 million left starting in 2020.
I am not saying I'd definitely do the trade, and their are pluses and minuses to both players. I wouldn't really want to pay Oubre more than the average per year that Gordon is making the next couple of years.
You win this round, bw. Thanks for correcting my vision on all fronts. For some reason I was under the delusion that AG had two more years left on his contract. My bad. I guess I'd vote yes to a straight up Oubre-for-Gordon trade.
If on draft day ORL says okay to that trade, but only if we also exchange the #10 and the #15, I'd consider it, depending on what draftees/other offers are available. A lot of players I like should still be available around #15, while the players I *really* like *should be gone* when we make our selection at #10. Still, some mocks have Devin Vassell falling to #10, which is nuts.
Of course, we could have the #1 pick and a championship come draft night, so...... guess we'll just have to pick this thread up later.
