2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 6) -LOTTO 8/20 DRAFT 10/16!

[mpharris36]

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tyrese haliburton wins #6 in our big board. #7 is on the board now. Did zen's a favor with this one

[3toheadmelo]

Toppin and Haliburton has been working on their weaknesses

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Haliburton: Everything. Get better at everything I do, especially stuff off the bounce. That's a big knock on my game. That will put me in the best position to play this game for a long time and be successful early and in the long term.

Toppin: When I worked out with NBA teams last summer, I was told to work on my shot consistency. I'm taking a lot of consecutive shots in a row. Working on hip mobility defensively, I can move a lot quicker and guard different positions instead of just the 4 and 5. Finishing around the rim -- everyone knows I can get up and dunk, but finishing with soft touches around the rim.

Working out with Myles Powell, being able to guard that type of player -- he's a great guard. Everyone knows what he did at Seton Hall. He's helping me a lot, forcing me to get low and really play defense. If I don't, he's going to destroy me every play.

Will prob take him a year or 2 to really see significant improvement but it’s great to know he’s working on it and that’s all you can ask for

[3toheadmelo]

If Haliburton can become a threat off the bounce then that really changes his ceiling. Easier said than done though. Frank has been working on that for the past 3 years and he still sucks

[mpharris36]

Toppin and Haliburton has been working on their weaknesses

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Will prob take him a year or 2 to really see significant improvement but it’s great to know he’s working on it and that’s all you can ask for

I mean you can work on it, Randle said he was working on his defense too...sometimes a bad defender is a bad defender. Its very difficult to improve hip flexibility so I would love to see it. But I have my doubts.

The shooting consistency I believe 100% though.

[robillionaire]

he's gonna be 23 in his rookie season and just deciding now is the time to work on his defense yeah I'm not falling for that

[3toheadmelo]

Will prob take him a year or 2 to really see significant improvement but it’s great to know he’s working on it and that’s all you can ask for

I mean you can work on it, Randle said he was working on his defense too...sometimes a bad defender is a bad defender. Its very difficult to improve hip flexibility so I would love to see it. But I have my doubts.

The shooting consistency I believe 100% though.

Randle is like what entering his 5th season, Toppin hasn’t played a single game yet.

Ayton was a trash defender at Arizona and made significant improvement in the league so why can’t Toppin do the same? Ayton has better mobility than him but awareness wise, he was just as bad as Toppin.

[DaGawd]

Wouldn't be opposed to trading Randle and drafting Toppin

[mpharris36]

Will prob take him a year or 2 to really see significant improvement but it’s great to know he’s working on it and that’s all you can ask for

I mean you can work on it, Randle said he was working on his defense too...sometimes a bad defender is a bad defender. Its very difficult to improve hip flexibility so I would love to see it. But I have my doubts.

The shooting consistency I believe 100% though.

Randle is like what entering his 5th season, Toppin hasn’t played a single game yet.

Ayton was a trash defender at Arizona and made significant improvement in the league so why can’t Toppin do the same? Ayton has better mobility than him but awareness wise, he was just as bad as Toppin.

That is my concern though Obi is going to be required to guard more in space because he isn't the rim protector that Ayton is. So its even more improtant for him to have mobility which I just think he lacks.

Ayton is was more mental then anything.

[mpharris36]

he's gonna be 23 in his rookie season and just deciding now is the time to work on his defense yeah I'm not falling for that

he's about to be drafted, this is just like the presidency before an election where they guys promise the world to get your vote and never deliver.

[3toheadmelo]

I mean you can work on it, Randle said he was working on his defense too...sometimes a bad defender is a bad defender. Its very difficult to improve hip flexibility so I would love to see it. But I have my doubts.

The shooting consistency I believe 100% though.

Randle is like what entering his 5th season, Toppin hasn’t played a single game yet.

Ayton was a trash defender at Arizona and made significant improvement in the league so why can’t Toppin do the same? Ayton has better mobility than him but awareness wise, he was just as bad as Toppin.

That is my concern though Obi is going to be required to guard more in space because he isn't the rim protector that Ayton is. So its even more improtant for him to have mobility which I just think he lacks.

Ayton is was more mental then anything.

Well at least he is working on it. So we’ll see

[Deeeez Knicks]

Will prob take him a year or 2 to really see significant improvement but it’s great to know he’s working on it and that’s all you can ask for

I mean you can work on it, Randle said he was working on his defense too...sometimes a bad defender is a bad defender. Its very difficult to improve hip flexibility so I would love to see it. But I have my doubts.

The shooting consistency I believe 100% though.

Hips don't lie

[robillionaire]

he's gonna be 23 in his rookie season and just deciding now is the time to work on his defense yeah I'm not falling for that

he's about to be drafted, this is just like the presidency before an election where they guys promise the world to get your vote and never deliver.

Yeah for sure. I actually think it's a good thing he's read his scouting report and wants to get better, whether it can be done or not is another story but I wish him the best

[robillionaire]

with RJ and Mitch as core pieces it's hard to see a fit for toppin who is not a stretch big. we still have to draft BPA but I don't know why anybody would expect it to work any better than Randle did. He's not better than Randle either.

[Deeeez Knicks]

If Haliburton can become a threat off the bounce then that really changes his ceiling. Easier said than done though. Frank has been working on that for the past 3 years and he still sucks

Yea, its tough to add but not impossible. Frank can't really score from anywhere efficiently, where as Haliburton has shown he can at least hit 3's and finish...just doesnt get there enough and needs to work on shooting off the dribble/mid range. While I don't think it's likely Haliburton becomes a star, I would not close the book on his ceiling either. Sometimes the guys that are perceived as low ceiling players, end up panning out.

Paul George had some of the same flaws and wasnt that aggressive in college either....was pretty skinny and disappeared at times. There was a difference in Paul was much more athletic, but Haliburton is the much better passer. It can be a crap shoot at times and you never know. But Haliburton has a lot of skills and tools that will def translate over.

16.8ppg/7.2rpg/3apg/2.2spg 58% TS - Paul George sophmore year

15.2ppg/5.9rpg/6.5apg/2.5spg 63% TS - Haliburton sophmore year

"George's biggest weakness is his inability to create for himself, and his poor shooting percentage when pulling up off the dribble."—NBADraft.net

[mpharris36]

he's gonna be 23 in his rookie season and just deciding now is the time to work on his defense yeah I'm not falling for that

he's about to be drafted, this is just like the presidency before an election where they guys promise the world to get your vote and never deliver.

Yeah for sure. I actually think it's a good thing he's read his scouting report and wants to get better, whether it can be done or not is another story but I wish him the best

yeah acknowledging it is obviously good. Improving it is the biggest challenge but same (wish him the best). I just don't see it working out here with us and our core already.

[HEZI]

https://www.si.com/nba/2020/06/24/cole-anthony-nba-draft-north-carolina

Williams defended the go-to guard’s role in the team’s dismal season, calling the supporting cast “the least gifted” he’d overseen in his 32 seasons as a head coach.

“Such a rash of injuries and bad plays and bad luck and bad coaching,” Williams says. “We needed him to penetrate and throw the ball to himself.”[/quote]

“His shot needs to get better, his decision-making needs to get better, his strength and conditioning needs to get better,” Williams says. “But he’s got it, the I-T. No one will outwork Cole.”

Cole—who Williams says was “tremendously easy to coach”—notes that he wasn’t confident until a growth spurt in seventh grade and that he’s likely overcompensating now. He attributes his fire to his “will to win.” but concedes he is working to become less combative.

Good read. A lot of interesting quotes from coach Williams

[3toheadmelo]

If Haliburton can become a threat off the bounce then that really changes his ceiling. Easier said than done though. Frank has been working on that for the past 3 years and he still sucks

Yea, its tough to add but not impossible. Frank can't really score from anywhere efficiently, where as Haliburton has shown he can at least hit 3's and finish...just doesnt get there enough and needs to work on shooting off the dribble/mid range. While I don't think it's likely Haliburton becomes a star, I would not close the book on his ceiling either. Sometimes the guys that are perceived as low ceiling players, end up panning out.

Paul George had some of the same flaws and wasnt that aggressive in college either....was pretty skinny and disappeared at times. There was a difference in Paul was much more athletic, but Haliburton is the much better passer. It can be a crap shoot at times and you never know. But Haliburton has a lot of skills and tools that will def translate over.

16.8ppg/7.2rpg/3apg/2.2spg 58% TS - Paul George sophmore year

15.2ppg/5.9rpg/6.5apg/2.5spg 63% TS - Haliburton sophmore year

"George's biggest weakness is his inability to create for himself, and his poor shooting percentage when pulling up off the dribble."—NBADraft.net

Yeah remember I was telling you he can be like SGA if he improves his handle. Long way to go there.

Even if he doesn’t improve his handle he will still be a good player though. Prob a Brogdon/Lonzo type player which is still great to have.

[moocow007]

Toppin and Haliburton has been working on their weaknesses

Read on Twitter

Haliburton: Everything. Get better at everything I do, especially stuff off the bounce. That's a big knock on my game. That will put me in the best position to play this game for a long time and be successful early and in the long term.

Toppin: When I worked out with NBA teams last summer, I was told to work on my shot consistency. I'm taking a lot of consecutive shots in a row. Working on hip mobility defensively, I can move a lot quicker and guard different positions instead of just the 4 and 5. Finishing around the rim -- everyone knows I can get up and dunk, but finishing with soft touches around the rim.

Working out with Myles Powell, being able to guard that type of player -- he's a great guard. Everyone knows what he did at Seton Hall. He's helping me a lot, forcing me to get low and really play defense. If I don't, he's going to destroy me every play.

Everybody's going to say that they've been working on their weaknesses though so it doesn't really mean all that much. I mean it's not like Haliburton is going to say "nah, I'm good with not being able to create for myself" or Toppin is going to say "defense? give me da ball!!"

[moocow007]

https://www.si.com/nba/2020/06/24/cole-anthony-nba-draft-north-carolina

Williams defended the go-to guard’s role in the team’s dismal season, calling the supporting cast “the least gifted” he’d overseen in his 32 seasons as a head coach.

“Such a rash of injuries and bad plays and bad luck and bad coaching,” Williams says. “We needed him to penetrate and throw the ball to himself.”[/quote]

“His shot needs to get better, his decision-making needs to get better, his strength and conditioning needs to get better,” Williams says. “But he’s got it, the I-T. No one will outwork Cole.”

Cole—who Williams says was “tremendously easy to coach”—notes that he wasn’t confident until a growth spurt in seventh grade and that he’s likely overcompensating now. He attributes his fire to his “will to win.” but concedes he is working to become less combative.

Good read. A lot of interesting quotes from coach Williams

I mean Cole Anthony without a doubt has gotten more bad press than he deserves (that team sucked and was probably the worst possible mix of players for him to be successful). The question is still whether he has the NBA game to be what he was touted as coming out of HS (top prospect tends to need to be not just a starter but a star in the NBA) but I think Cole Anthony can definitely do more than what folks are maybe thinking he can. And not surprising on the combative aspect of his game, it's why Stephon Marbury is the guy that I always think of when talking Cole. I don't think that Cole is as talented as Marbs was at GT is my concern with Cole but I do believe realistically we are looking at a potential top tier 6th man a la current day Derrick Rose (coming off of 2 straight seasons of 18/5/3 as the primary 6th man and occassional masher in the starting lineup). That's where I see Cole Anthony slotting in with reasonable NBA expectation at. If he manages more (possible) then terrific. But where he's reasonable expected is in slots coming up real soon.

[moocow007]

If Haliburton can become a threat off the bounce then that really changes his ceiling. Easier said than done though. Frank has been working on that for the past 3 years and he still sucks

Yea, its tough to add but not impossible. Frank can't really score from anywhere efficiently, where as Haliburton has shown he can at least hit 3's and finish...just doesnt get there enough and needs to work on shooting off the dribble/mid range. While I don't think it's likely Haliburton becomes a star, I would not close the book on his ceiling either. Sometimes the guys that are perceived as low ceiling players, end up panning out.

Paul George had some of the same flaws and wasnt that aggressive in college either....was pretty skinny and disappeared at times. There was a difference in Paul was much more athletic, but Haliburton is the much better passer. It can be a crap shoot at times and you never know. But Haliburton has a lot of skills and tools that will def translate over.

16.8ppg/7.2rpg/3apg/2.2spg 58% TS - Paul George sophmore year

15.2ppg/5.9rpg/6.5apg/2.5spg 63% TS - Haliburton sophmore year

"George's biggest weakness is his inability to create for himself, and his poor shooting percentage when pulling up off the dribble."—NBADraft.net

Different systems and roles. Paul George wasn't responsible for what Haliburton was and didn't really get utilized to max as Haliburton has had to be used. What that means is it's more likely that George had quite a bit more left to show than what he got to show at the same time that Haliburton pretty much has shown just about everything in his bag of tricks. And the expectations of what George needs to do in the NBA (SF/PF) is quite different than what Haliburton (PG) needs to do.