2020 Offseason Speculation, free agency, summer trades (keep draft prospect talk in draft thread)

[darmani]

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Does anyone know what 'lightly guaranteed' means?
Are we saying he has a small buyout? Why would we ever consider giving him anything more than a non guaranteed deal for next season?

Unless the guarantee is for these 8 games only. I'm fine with that.

It looks like his contract is fully non-guaranteed for next season.

Spotrac:

Cameron Payne signed a 2 year / $2,173,299 contract with the Phoenix Suns, including $196,288 guaranteed, and an annual average salary of $1,086,650. In 2019-20, Payne will earn a base salary of $196,288, while carrying a cap hit of $196,288 and a dead cap value of $196,288.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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Does anyone know what 'lightly guaranteed' means?
Are we saying he has a small buyout? Why would we ever consider giving him anything more than a non guaranteed deal for next season?

Unless the guarantee is for these 8 games only. I'm fine with that.

It looks like his contract is fully non-guaranteed for next season.

Spotrac:

Cameron Payne signed a 2 year / $2,173,299 contract with the Phoenix Suns, including $196,288 guaranteed, and an annual average salary of $1,086,650. In 2019-20, Payne will earn a base salary of $196,288, while carrying a cap hit of $196,288 and a dead cap value of $196,288.

Darmani with the info!
awesome man, Thanks.

[Fo-Real]

I'm on the Draft a guard and throw some money at Davis Bertans train. Dude can be a lights out K Love type shooter, witch would be a big upgrade over Saric. You put shooting like that opposite floor of Ayton and Booker operating and he can kill you. We would still have Oubre playing good minutes at the 4 along with Kaminsky and Cam off the bench.

[Saberestar]

I'm on the Draft a guard and throw some money at Davis Bertans train. Dude can be a lights out K Love type shooter, witch would be a big upgrade over Saric. You put shooting like that opposite floor of Ayton and Booker operating and he can kill you. We would still have Oubre playing good minutes at the 4 along with Kaminsky and Cam off the bench.

I wouldn't put any money on a player like Bertans.

The guy is so scared about getting injured again that he is the only player in the entire league that will not play in Orlando before signing his next contract. He probably will not even play pickup games or train hard...he is just waiting.

It's his decision and it's a legitimate thing to do...but no way I want him on my team.
And I want to add that defensively he is way below average... Saric looks a lockdown defender/rebounder next to him.

[King4Day]

I'm on the Draft a guard and throw some money at Davis Bertans train. Dude can be a lights out K Love type shooter, witch would be a big upgrade over Saric. You put shooting like that opposite floor of Ayton and Booker operating and he can kill you. We would still have Oubre playing good minutes at the 4 along with Kaminsky and Cam off the bench.

I wouldn't put any money on a player like Bertans.

The guy is so scared about getting injured again that he is the only player in the entire league that will not play in Orlando before signing his next contract. He probably will not even play pickup games or train hard...he is just waiting.

It's his decision and it's a legitimate thing to do...but no way I want him on my team.
And I want to add that defensively he is way below average... Saric looks a lockdown defender/rebounder next to him.

I'm not too concerned with that. I think he's being smart. Imagine playing 8 meaningless games, without your typical camp, and tears something (ACL or otherwise)? He'll go from a deal paying him 10-13 mil per, to nothing, and a 1 year 5mil 'prove it' contract. Can't blame him for being careful. I bet he'd play if they were title contender.

He'll be a spot shooter anyway so he should be less of a risk to land awkwardly and turn a knee.

I'd be more concerned with his defense if I'm trying to find reasons to not go after him. On NBA radio they seemed to indicate he's a little bit of a better defender than Gallinari, but that's not saying much.

IMO, we have one more chance to have a really good free agency (before the 'trade Booker' conversations begin) where we plug the right piece in. An elite floor spacer would probably do the trick as far as seeing our guys show their full potential.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

I'm on the Draft a guard and throw some money at Davis Bertans train. Dude can be a lights out K Love type shooter, witch would be a big upgrade over Saric. You put shooting like that opposite floor of Ayton and Booker operating and he can kill you. We would still have Oubre playing good minutes at the 4 along with Kaminsky and Cam off the bench.

I wouldn't put any money on a player like Bertans.

The guy is so scared about getting injured again that he is the only player in the entire league that will not play in Orlando before signing his next contract. He probably will not even play pickup games or train hard...he is just waiting.

It's his decision and it's a legitimate thing to do...but no way I want him on my team.
And I want to add that defensively he is way below average... Saric looks a lockdown defender/rebounder next to him.

I'm not too concerned with that. I think he's being smart. Imagine playing 8 meaningless games, without your typical camp, and tears something (ACL or otherwise)? He'll go from a deal paying him 10-13 mil per, to nothing, and a 1 year 5mil 'prove it' contract. Can't blame him for being careful. I bet he'd play if they were title contender.

He'll be a spot shooter anyway so he should be less of a risk to land awkwardly and turn a knee.

I'd be more concerned with his defense if I'm trying to find reasons to not go after him. On NBA radio they seemed to indicate he's a little bit of a better defender than Gallinari, but that's not saying much.

IMO, we have one more chance to have a really good free agency (before the 'trade Booker' conversations begin) where we plug the right piece in. An elite floor spacer would probably do the trick as far as seeing our guys show their full potential.

I feel like this is tantamount to an admission that Booker is not an elite floor stretcher.

[Revived]

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I don’t know how to link Instagram posts here (tried and didn’t work) but he says in another comment that “Literally everyone who leaves does great and if you think book about to waste his career there you just as dumb as you look we all know the players aren’t the problem”

Man he makes a strong case to be hated more than the Morris twins.

Isn’t Chriss, Ulis and Bender all nobodies now? Jackson is soon to be one as well.

How are the Suns responsible for Jackson getting his 2 yr old son high? How are the Suns responsible for him running from cops at a music concert?

Btw Chriss commented on this with the “one hundred” emoji meaning Jackson is 100% right about what he’s saying. Lol all the McDonough busts are uniting together.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

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I don’t know how to link Instagram posts here (tried and didn’t work) but he says in another comment that “Literally everyone who leaves does great and if you think book about to waste his career there you just as dumb as you look we all know the players aren’t the problem”

Man he makes a strong case to be hated more than the Morris twins.

Isn’t Chriss, Ulis and Bender all nobodies now? Jackson is soon to be one as well.

How are the Suns responsible for Jackson getting his 2 yr old son high? How are the Suns responsible for him running from cops at a music concert?

Btw Chriss commented on this with the “one hundred” emoji meaning Jackson is 100% right about what he’s saying. Lol all the McDonough busts are uniting together.

I don't miss Chriss, but I was sorry when I read the stories about Josh Jackson this summer. Josh was, like, the worst. But a big part of his poor play was attributable to his outsize role on the team.

JJ's and Chriss's current teams love them, fwiw. Shouldn't be too surprising that they hate us, since we hate them. There's no silver lining with those draft picks. Just a dark few years. I'm not sure they're over.

[Wilber85]

I'm on the Draft a guard and throw some money at Davis Bertans train. Dude can be a lights out K Love type shooter, witch would be a big upgrade over Saric. You put shooting like that opposite floor of Ayton and Booker operating and he can kill you. We would still have Oubre playing good minutes at the 4 along with Kaminsky and Cam off the bench.

I still think Saric playing a full season with Ayton would be better than Bertans. I like Saric. I think he is a smart player and cannot give up on him after 1/2 a season

[Revived]

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I don’t know how to link Instagram posts here (tried and didn’t work) but he says in another comment that “Literally everyone who leaves does great and if you think book about to waste his career there you just as dumb as you look we all know the players aren’t the problem”

Man he makes a strong case to be hated more than the Morris twins.

Isn’t Chriss, Ulis and Bender all nobodies now? Jackson is soon to be one as well.

How are the Suns responsible for Jackson getting his 2 yr old son high? How are the Suns responsible for him running from cops at a music concert?

Btw Chriss commented on this with the “one hundred” emoji meaning Jackson is 100% right about what he’s saying. Lol all the McDonough busts are uniting together.

I don't miss Chriss, but I was sorry when I read the stories about Josh Jackson this summer. Josh was, like, the worst. But a big part of his poor play was attributable to his outsize role on the team.

JJ's and Chriss's current teams love them, fwiw. Shouldn't be too surprising that they hate us, since we hate them. There's no silver lining with those draft picks. Just a dark few years. I'm not sure they're over.

While I hope to be proven wrong, I doubt both Jackson and Chriss’s behavioral issues won’t come in the way of their careers again. Especially Chriss.

[Blonde]

Bertans is a great shooter but I have a feeling he’s getting overpaid and I would rather not being overpaying a specialist with our current cap situation moving forward. I’d rather overpay Millsap for a year or go for a more diverse guy like Grant or Aaron Gordon.

Speaking of overpaid, I’ve been liking the idea of pursuing Gordon Hayward during free agency. Without the previously planned cap increases we probably couldn’t offer him enough to warrant him opting out of his team option this summer, but the following year he would be a free agent and Boston won’t pay him/Brown/Tatum. Hayward was actually pretty great this year and would be a nice fit on this team during his late prime. Can run an offense/be a secondary creator, shoots very well from 3, doesn’t need a lot of touches to impact the offense, solid on ball defender. When we miss out on prime guys in 2021 I would strongly consider Hayward.

[Ghost of Kleine]

I really like the idea of trading for Markannen and Sato. IF we can accomplish this, And then we can pursue Jerami Grant in free agency. He'd be a perfect defensive compliment at the 3, To Markannens' offense at the 4.We can play Bridges at the 2 guard, Grant at the 3, Markannen at the 4, And Baynes at the 5. So Markannen would be flanked by two excellent defenders, Allowing him to fully concentrate on his offense.

IF we cannot afford to take on both Satoranksy and Markannen ( salaries equaling 15 million), Then I say we Go hard after Bertrans, And then go really hard after Jerami Grant. Otherwise, I prefer this trade, Should we be unable to do the Chicago trade.

Phoenix/ Sacramento/ New York
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y9s9rlr7 .
Both players have partial guarantees too! And New York can use its remaining cap space to sign a quality power forward. And use their high lotto pick on their starting guard.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Bertans is a great shooter but I have a feeling he’s getting overpaid and I would rather not being overpaying a specialist with our current cap situation moving forward. I’d rather overpay Millsap for a year or go for a more diverse guy like Grant or Aaron Gordon.

Speaking of overpaid, I’ve been liking the idea of pursuing Gordon Hayward during free agency. Without the previously planned cap increases we probably couldn’t offer him enough to warrant him opting out of his team option this summer, but the following year he would be a free agent and Boston won’t pay him/Brown/Tatum. Hayward was actually pretty great this year and would be a nice fit on this team during his late prime. Can run an offense/be a secondary creator, shoots very well from 3, doesn’t need a lot of touches to impact the offense, solid on ball defender. When we miss out on prime guys in 2021 I would strongly consider Hayward.

What kind of money do you expect him to command though in 2021? IF he does in fact take his player option to become unrestricted the following summer, That's when most all teams will be looking to make a big splash!! Are we operating under the assumption that we won't be bringing Oubre back then, And that we'll concentrate all of our available cap for him, As Oubres' replacement then? Could we even afford him at his probable market value though?

He's definitely highly intriguing though, For the very reasons that you mentioned.

For now though, I'm on the get Markannen or get Bjelica, And then go hard after Jerami Grant to cover for either defensively. I think that a combination of either: Grant ( 3) Markannen ( 4) and Ayton or Baynes (5) would be an excellent frontcourt. Or Grant (3) Bjelica ( 4) Ayton or Baynes ( 5). And of course, Draft a really solid point guard. Any of Lewis, Riller, TERRY! To create immense gravity all over the court !

I envision a potential lineup of:
** The 4 could be either Markannen or Bjelica or even Bertrans??????

-Rubio/ Rookie/ Jerome or Payne or Carter?
- Booker/ Bridges/ free agent.
- Grant/ Bridges/ Cam.
- Markannen/ Grant/ Kaminsky.
- Ayton/ Baynes/ Markannen.

And at other times........... "Point Book".

- Booker/ Rubio/ Rookie.
- Bridges/ Cam/ Jerome *( Reddick scheme).
- Cam/ Bridges / Cam.
- Grant/ Kaminsky/ Grant.
- Ayton/ Baynes/ Markannen.

A lot of solid defense and floor spacing/ perimeter shooting.

[Saberestar]

Bertans is a great shooter but I have a feeling he’s getting overpaid and I would rather not being overpaying a specialist with our current cap situation moving forward. I’d rather overpay Millsap for a year or go for a more diverse guy like Grant or Aaron Gordon.

Speaking of overpaid, I’ve been liking the idea of pursuing Gordon Hayward during free agency. Without the previously planned cap increases we probably couldn’t offer him enough to warrant him opting out of his team option this summer, but the following year he would be a free agent and Boston won’t pay him/Brown/Tatum. Hayward was actually pretty great this year and would be a nice fit on this team during his late prime. Can run an offense/be a secondary creator, shoots very well from 3, doesn’t need a lot of touches to impact the offense, solid on ball defender. When we miss out on prime guys in 2021 I would strongly consider Hayward.

Too difficult to envision our team in summer 2021, but I think Booker and Bridges are our long term starters at SG and SF, and we possibly will have Cam Johnson and probably Oubre too...so that would make Hayward not needed.

[WeekapaugGroove]

No expectations but no issue with them picking up Payne. If looks good these 8 games you might have a cheap backup PG next year, if not you move on with only a small dead cap hit. I kk f of like rolling the dice on guys who have talent but didn't make it and get humbled and are desperate for one last shot.

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[Blonde]

Bertans is a great shooter but I have a feeling he’s getting overpaid and I would rather not being overpaying a specialist with our current cap situation moving forward. I’d rather overpay Millsap for a year or go for a more diverse guy like Grant or Aaron Gordon.

Speaking of overpaid, I’ve been liking the idea of pursuing Gordon Hayward during free agency. Without the previously planned cap increases we probably couldn’t offer him enough to warrant him opting out of his team option this summer, but the following year he would be a free agent and Boston won’t pay him/Brown/Tatum. Hayward was actually pretty great this year and would be a nice fit on this team during his late prime. Can run an offense/be a secondary creator, shoots very well from 3, doesn’t need a lot of touches to impact the offense, solid on ball defender. When we miss out on prime guys in 2021 I would strongly consider Hayward.

Too difficult to envision our team in summer 2021, but I think Booker and Bridges are our long term starters at SG and SF, and we possibly will have Cam Johnson and probably Oubre too...so that would make Hayward not needed.

Well, Oubre will be a free agent that summer and there’s no guarantee both parties want to re-sign. If Cam is in the plans as a long term starter then we’re in trouble. Don’t see why you couldn’t run Hayward/Bridges at the forward spots with Cam off the bench. If we get our PG of the future and a nice PF then I agree we may not need Hayward but until then it’s always useful to have more good wings.

[Damkac]

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I don’t know how to link Instagram posts here (tried and didn’t work) but he says in another comment that “Literally everyone who leaves does great and if you think book about to waste his career there you just as dumb as you look we all know the players aren’t the problem”

Man he makes a strong case to be hated more than the Morris twins.

Isn’t Chriss, Ulis and Bender all nobodies now? Jackson is soon to be one as well.

How are the Suns responsible for Jackson getting his 2 yr old son high? How are the Suns responsible for him running from cops at a music concert?

Btw Chriss commented on this with the “one hundred” emoji meaning Jackson is 100% right about what he’s saying. Lol all the McDonough busts are uniting together.

I don't think any other team is so much hated by it's ex-players. Sure players like Jackson, Chriss or Morris bros aren't the smartest persons. But it still talks a lot about how mess this organization is.

[Saberestar]

Bertans is a great shooter but I have a feeling he’s getting overpaid and I would rather not being overpaying a specialist with our current cap situation moving forward. I’d rather overpay Millsap for a year or go for a more diverse guy like Grant or Aaron Gordon.

Speaking of overpaid, I’ve been liking the idea of pursuing Gordon Hayward during free agency. Without the previously planned cap increases we probably couldn’t offer him enough to warrant him opting out of his team option this summer, but the following year he would be a free agent and Boston won’t pay him/Brown/Tatum. Hayward was actually pretty great this year and would be a nice fit on this team during his late prime. Can run an offense/be a secondary creator, shoots very well from 3, doesn’t need a lot of touches to impact the offense, solid on ball defender. When we miss out on prime guys in 2021 I would strongly consider Hayward.

Too difficult to envision our team in summer 2021, but I think Booker and Bridges are our long term starters at SG and SF, and we possibly will have Cam Johnson and probably Oubre too...so that would make Hayward not needed.

Well, Oubre will be a free agent that summer and there’s no guarantee both parties want to re-sign. If Cam is in the plans as a long term starter then we’re in trouble. Don’t see why you couldn’t run Hayward/Bridges at the forward spots with Cam off the bench. If we get our PG of the future and a nice PF then I agree we may not need Hayward but until then it’s always useful to have more good wings.

Yeah, but I would prefer to have a bigger player as a full time starter at PF for us. Not necessarily a pure PF, of course, but someone stronger and better rebounder than Hayward.

But I get your point. He wouldn't be a bad option at all and we would have better playmaking and passing.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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[bwgood77]

Have they talked in any of these podcasts about Baynes and what they think the likelihood is of him being here after this season? Was looking at our best lineups and it just reminded me of how valuable he is, aside from Ayton learning a lot from him and his vocal presense on and off the floor. Lately it seems he's been pretty happy to get back out there with the team.