Gordon to PHX - AGAIN

[orlando_joe]

Suns recieve Aaron Gordon, 2020 1st (15)
Magic recieve 2020 1st (10)

Aaron Gordon is a good player, and I think his best role would be as a #3 starter on a good team, so I think his contract is appropriate. Unfortunately, I think his trade value can be deceptive. For some people, when they think “well, he’s good,” it doesn’t always mean “well, he has a lot of trade value.” So personally, I don’t think this is an unfair offer at all.

Perhaps the majority would agree. On Page 2, we have a poll where 50 of 84 voters put his value at pick #14 or worse. Most of those voted worse. Even if we say Gordon is worth the “15,” isn’t “15 + 15 for 10” a pretty good offer, in this draft?

I also agree there is value to the $17 mil in cap space, though that may be reflected in the poll by many voters.

My only question would be whether this is the direction either side wants to go, but I have no problem with the value for Orlando.

there are a lot of hatters and this boards value means almost nothing 5 spots in this draft 10 to 15..is almost the same player and at sf is almost for sure the same player...i dont even see a player that will be as good as ag at 10...and magic give up 15? no....so who you got for magic to go from 15 to 20? a 2 way 24 yr old stater with ag numbers please do tell...you know who can hold his own against guys like kl,pg13,lebron ect..ect like ag guards? can also pass,rb and still score and run the floor

[Fo-Real]

I like Gordon but I dont see him as a game changer. Adding him to a line up of Rubio, Book, Oubre and Ayton, I dont see him as the 3rd best player, more 4th and I just dont see him as huge upgrade over Saric numbers wise. For the amount of money he makes and how much fretting and hand wringing there is over him, he would need to come in and be a significant upgrade, not just more flashy than Saric. Dario's shooting percentages are higher across the board over Aaron's from last year, free throws, three point AND two point. So other than getting more attempts per game and being flashy, while making a **** ton more money, Dario is better fit wise and we are trying to replace him fore a BETTER starting Pf!! I dont see Aaron Gordon being the big upgrade that we need. If I were the Suns, I might be more Inclined to draft pg and throw some money at Bertans, he at least can spread the floor witch fits better.

[shrink]

Suns recieve Aaron Gordon, 2020 1st (15)
Magic recieve 2020 1st (10)

Aaron Gordon is a good player, and I think his best role would be as a #3 starter on a good team, so I think his contract is appropriate. Unfortunately, I think his trade value can be deceptive. For some people, when they think “well, he’s good,” it doesn’t always mean “well, he has a lot of trade value.” So personally, I don’t think this is an unfair offer at all.

Perhaps the majority would agree. On Page 2, we have a poll where 50 of 84 voters put his value at pick #14 or worse. Most of those voted worse. Even if we say Gordon is worth the “15,” isn’t “15 + 15 for 10” a pretty good offer, in this draft?

I also agree there is value to the $17 mil in cap space, though that may be reflected in the poll by many voters.

My only question would be whether this is the direction either side wants to go, but I have no problem with the value for Orlando.

there are a lot of hatters and this boards value means almost nothing 5 spots in this draft 10 to 15..is almost the same player and at sf is almost for sure the same player...i dont even see a player that will be as good as ag at 10...and magic give up 15? no....so who you got for magic to go from 15 to 20? a 2 way 24 yr old stater with ag numbers please do tell...you know who can hold his own against guys like kl,pg13,lebron ect..ect like ag guards? can also pass,rb and still score and run the floor

This line of faulty reasoning is kind of what I am talking about.

I will repeat - Aaron Gordon is a good player. But can you say that he is a more valuable player to ORL at $17 mil over the length of his contract than the #10 on rookie scale? Every draft, teams pay a premium to move up in the draft, hoping to find a special player, but there are no guarantees — and they still pay for the chance. We don’t know what that young player can become over time; we have a firmer idea about what Gordon can be, and his lack of development the last four years Is evidence that time does not make his projections rosy.

And yes, as an ORL fan, I guess you perceive a lot of “hatters.” However, the majority of posters here with no allegiance for or against the Magic voted him at #14 or worse. It’s hard when the majority are all so biased, and you are the fairer evaluator of the guy on your favorite team. Better to just label them haters.

[shrink]

I like Gordon but I dont see him as a game changer. Adding him to a line up of Rubio, Book, Oubre and Ayton, I dont see him as the 3rd best player, more 4th and I just dont see him as huge upgrade over Saric numbers wise. For the amount of money he makes and how much fretting and hand wringing there is over him, he would need to come in and be a significant upgrade, not just more flashy than Saric. Dario's shooting percentages are higher across the board over Aaron's from last year, free throws, three point AND two point. So other than getting more attempts per game and being flashy, while making a **** ton more money, Dario is better fit wise and we are trying to replace him fore a BETTER starting Pf!! I dont see Aaron Gordon being the big upgrade that we need. If I were the Suns, I might be more Inclined to draft pg and throw some money at Bertans, he at least can spread the floor witch fits better.

And ironically for this discussion, the cheaper Dario was also traded to move up 5 spaces in the draft.

[Skybox]

In a vacuum, the analysis of AG vs a $1m rookie makes sense, but it comes down to this for ORL...if we can keep the superior player, the one that makes our team better right now, without financially CRIPPLING our franchise...you do it. Basketball only lets you play 5 guys at a time, so every minute played by a starter-level player is critically important. Saving money is not, unless you're busting up the roster, likely to lure an UFA, or just not as rich as Mark Cuban...ORL is a decent team looking to make incremental progress. They don't have foreseeable cap space, so trades are the way to go. But only trades that improve the team, not the team's financial situation...IF they were to clear a little room, it'll end up pegged for young guys who will be due extensions, which you can exceed the cap to do. Point is, IMO, ORL is not so much looking to play the long game with their next few transactions (I hope)...I believe their team is good enough to now be looking for instant gratification trades to fit needs. They've drafted BPA for a few years, have some redundancies and depth...they should only make a trade to get the offense they need, not to unload contracts or stockpile picks, etc...Just need good players now.

Dario is a better shooter than AG...that's it. Dario's a nice guy to have on your roster but AG's more complete, IMO...but, you could save money with Dario-if that's your goal. I keep coming back to Ayton and Rubio can't spread the floor so I don't know if AG is the right guy for PHO. I guess with the shooting firepower of Book, Oubre, Bridges, Cam, there's always some versatility.

[orlando_joe]

Aaron Gordon is a good player, and I think his best role would be as a #3 starter on a good team, so I think his contract is appropriate. Unfortunately, I think his trade value can be deceptive. For some people, when they think “well, he’s good,” it doesn’t always mean “well, he has a lot of trade value.” So personally, I don’t think this is an unfair offer at all.

Perhaps the majority would agree. On Page 2, we have a poll where 50 of 84 voters put his value at pick #14 or worse. Most of those voted worse. Even if we say Gordon is worth the “15,” isn’t “15 + 15 for 10” a pretty good offer, in this draft?

I also agree there is value to the $17 mil in cap space, though that may be reflected in the poll by many voters.

My only question would be whether this is the direction either side wants to go, but I have no problem with the value for Orlando.

there are a lot of hatters and this boards value means almost nothing 5 spots in this draft 10 to 15..is almost the same player and at sf is almost for sure the same player...i dont even see a player that will be as good as ag at 10...and magic give up 15? no....so who you got for magic to go from 15 to 20? a 2 way 24 yr old stater with ag numbers please do tell...you know who can hold his own against guys like kl,pg13,lebron ect..ect like ag guards? can also pass,rb and still score and run the floor

This line of faulty reasoning is kind of what I am talking about.

I will repeat - Aaron Gordon is a good player. But can you say that he is a more valuable player to ORL at $17 mil over the length of his contract than the #10 on rookie scale? Every draft, teams pay a premium to move up in the draft, hoping to find a special player, but there are no guarantees — and they still pay for the chance. We don’t know what that young player can become over time; we have a firmer idea about what Gordon can be, and his lack of development the last four years Is evidence that time does not make his projections rosy.

And yes, as an ORL fan, I guess you perceive a lot of “hatters.” However, the majority of posters here with no allegiance for or against the Magic voted him at #14 or worse. It’s hard when the majority are all so biased, and you are the fairer evaluator of the guy on your favorite team. Better to just label them haters.

a bunch also voted 10 or better ...so?..why would magic give 15th to this?...without trade magic would have maybe same player on rookie scale at #15 for even less money..with okeke,mo,isaac,fultz.frazier and 2nd rd pick...on rookie scale.....ag contract is only 2 yrs..dont need money next yr cant spend it anyway..still wont be space....so really to me its just dump ag for nothing..easy pass

i will ask again who can magic get to move back 5 spots thats even close to ag?

[jredsaz]

Suns recieve Aaron Gordon, 2020 1st (15)
Magic recieve 2020 1st (10)

Aaron Gordon is a good player, and I think his best role would be as a #3 starter on a good team, so I think his contract is appropriate. Unfortunately, I think his trade value can be deceptive. For some people, when they think “well, he’s good,” it doesn’t always mean “well, he has a lot of trade value.” So personally, I don’t think this is an unfair offer at all.

Perhaps the majority would agree. On Page 2, we have a poll where 50 of 84 voters put his value at pick #14 or worse. Most of those voted worse. Even if we say Gordon is worth the “15,” isn’t “15 + 15 for 10” a pretty good offer, in this draft?

I also agree there is value to the $17 mil in cap space, though that may be reflected in the poll by many voters.

My only question would be whether this is the direction either side wants to go, but I have no problem with the value for Orlando.

So who would be your pick(s) at 10 that would be of "equivalent" value to AG but a better fit, then your likely target at 15 that make sense in combination?

I think jumping up for Vassell, Naismith or Okoro makes a lot sense. Naismith in particular would be a huge boost of shooting to that team. Really open up thing for Fultz and Bamba - who I think has been as negatively impacted by the lack of spacing in Orlando as anyone.

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[jredsaz]

In a vacuum, the analysis of AG vs a $1m rookie makes sense, but it comes down to this for ORL...if we can keep the superior player, the one that makes our team better right now, without financially CRIPPLING our franchise...you do it. Basketball only lets you play 5 guys at a time, so every minute played by a starter-level player is critically important. Saving money is not, unless you're busting up the roster, likely to lure an UFA, or just not as rich as Mark Cuban...ORL is a decent team looking to make incremental progress. They don't have foreseeable cap space, so trades are the way to go. But only trades that improve the team, not the team's financial situation...IF they were to clear a little room, it'll end up pegged for young guys who will be due extensions, which you can exceed the cap to do. Point is, IMO, ORL is not so much looking to play the long game with their next few transactions (I hope)...I believe their team is good enough to now be looking for instant gratification trades to fit needs. They've drafted BPA for a few years, have some redundancies and depth...they should only make a trade to get the offense they need, not to unload contracts or stockpile picks, etc...Just need good players now.

Dario is a better shooter than AG...that's it. Dario's a nice guy to have on your roster but AG's more complete, IMO...but, you could save money with Dario-if that's your goal. I keep coming back to Ayton and Rubio can't spread the floor so I don't know if AG is the right guy for PHO. I guess with the shooting firepower of Book, Oubre, Bridges, Cam, there's always some versatility.

Have to disagree buddy. Money will be more important than ever over the next two years. If a team isnt top five competing for a title I dont see them spending an extra $20 million over the cap for a shot at a 5-8 seed. Also see even top five teams who are deep in the luxury tax to mitigate that as well.

I think deals like the one above will be commonplace this summer. Teams with significant space like Atlanta, Detroit, Phoenix, Knicks will be able to get some decent talent on the cheap.

AG is the perfect example of a guy who makes sizable money but isnt crucial to a teams success. Gary Harris or Will Barton come to mind. Eric Gordon definitely. Maybe Valanciunis. Maybe Ingles or Bogdanovic.

I just see teams cutting some salary over the next season or two with the impact of Covid on their bottom lines.

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[orlando_joe]

Aaron Gordon is a good player, and I think his best role would be as a #3 starter on a good team, so I think his contract is appropriate. Unfortunately, I think his trade value can be deceptive. For some people, when they think “well, he’s good,” it doesn’t always mean “well, he has a lot of trade value.” So personally, I don’t think this is an unfair offer at all.

Perhaps the majority would agree. On Page 2, we have a poll where 50 of 84 voters put his value at pick #14 or worse. Most of those voted worse. Even if we say Gordon is worth the “15,” isn’t “15 + 15 for 10” a pretty good offer, in this draft?

I also agree there is value to the $17 mil in cap space, though that may be reflected in the poll by many voters.

My only question would be whether this is the direction either side wants to go, but I have no problem with the value for Orlando.

So who would be your pick(s) at 10 that would be of "equivalent" value to AG but a better fit, then your likely target at 15 that make sense in combination?

I think jumping up for Vassell, Naismith or Okoro makes a lot sense. Naismith in particular would be a huge boost of shooting to that team. Really open up thing for Fultz and Bamba - who I think has been as negatively impacted by the lack of spacing in Orlando as anyone.

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well vassell and okoro should be off board by 10 i think and naismith could be had at 15 i would think...

[jredsaz]

So who would be your pick(s) at 10 that would be of "equivalent" value to AG but a better fit, then your likely target at 15 that make sense in combination?

I think jumping up for Vassell, Naismith or Okoro makes a lot sense. Naismith in particular would be a huge boost of shooting to that team. Really open up thing for Fultz and Bamba - who I think has been as negatively impacted by the lack of spacing in Orlando as anyone.

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well vassell and okoro should be off board by 10 i think and naismith could be had at 15 i would think...

Between tankathon, ESPN, nbadraft, and CBS mock drafts none of Avdija, Okoro, Vassell, or Nesmith fall to 15. In all of them at least two are available at 10.

Wings with size are in short supply in this draft.

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[Skybox]

Aaron Gordon is a good player, and I think his best role would be as a #3 starter on a good team, so I think his contract is appropriate. Unfortunately, I think his trade value can be deceptive. For some people, when they think “well, he’s good,” it doesn’t always mean “well, he has a lot of trade value.” So personally, I don’t think this is an unfair offer at all.

Perhaps the majority would agree. On Page 2, we have a poll where 50 of 84 voters put his value at pick #14 or worse. Most of those voted worse. Even if we say Gordon is worth the “15,” isn’t “15 + 15 for 10” a pretty good offer, in this draft?

I also agree there is value to the $17 mil in cap space, though that may be reflected in the poll by many voters.

My only question would be whether this is the direction either side wants to go, but I have no problem with the value for Orlando.

So who would be your pick(s) at 10 that would be of "equivalent" value to AG but a better fit, then your likely target at 15 that make sense in combination?

I think jumping up for Vassell, Naismith or Okoro makes a lot sense. Naismith in particular would be a huge boost of shooting to that team. Really open up thing for Fultz and Bamba - who I think has been as negatively impacted by the lack of spacing in Orlando as anyone.

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I would like to jump up, but I still think that's too high a price

[orlando_joe]

I think jumping up for Vassell, Naismith or Okoro makes a lot sense. Naismith in particular would be a huge boost of shooting to that team. Really open up thing for Fultz and Bamba - who I think has been as negatively impacted by the lack of spacing in Orlando as anyone.

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well vassell and okoro should be off board by 10 i think and naismith could be had at 15 i would think...

Between tankathon, ESPN, nbadraft, and CBS mock drafts none of Avdija, Okoro, Vassell, or Nesmith fall to 15. In all of them at least two are available at 10.

Wings with size are in short supply in this draft.

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https://nbadraftroom.com/p/2020-nba-mock-draft/
all gone by 10 and naismith there at 15
i dont see any player at 10 better then ag...even without 15..sure there most likely might be? no one jumps out and much better chance wont even be a 5 yr starter on a bad team .unless you guess right ..and get real lucky....and slim chance its anyone can say right now ...this draft is big gamble...thats why you want the trade ....lol

[jredsaz]

well vassell and okoro should be off board by 10 i think and naismith could be had at 15 i would think...

Between tankathon, ESPN, nbadraft, and CBS mock drafts none of Avdija, Okoro, Vassell, or Nesmith fall to 15. In all of them at least two are available at 10.

Wings with size are in short supply in this draft.

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https://nbadraftroom.com/p/2020-nba-mock-draft/
all gone by 10 and naismith there at 15
i dont see any player at 10 better then ag...even without 15..sure there most likely might be? no one jumps out and much better chance wont even be a 5 yr starter on a bad team .unless you guess right ..and get real lucky....and slim chance its anyone can say right now ...this draft is big gamble...thats why you want the trade ....lol

Realistically, the deal wouldn't happen til the 10th pick and a wing the Mavs like is available. From the majority of mocks I've seen the wings dry up by 15.

I dont really want it. Just making arguments for it. AGs spacing sucks next to Ayton. Said that a bunch. I like his athleticism and I hope with a lesser role his shot will improve. Local sports talk guy with the sources reiterated that Gordon is the likely target for the Suns and mentioned either the 10th pick or Oubre as the Magic's return. But I'm not crazy about AG as a player personally. Just floating ideas and debating them.

EDIT: Obviously meant Magic. Was in a Mavs thread earlier.

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