Trade Ideas Thread

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

Orlando isn't trading Gordon for Hayward. Just stop. Lol.

[hugepatsfan]

Orlando isn't trading Gordon for Hayward. Just stop. Lol.

I think they'd definitely be interested in trading Gordon for a better player who compliments their roster better. Hayward could be a 1 year rental though and someone might offer them a pick for Gordon (though they've reportedly been trying to do that since last year and no one will offer them one). So they have to weigh that in case Hayward is only one year. But it's absolutely an idea they'd likely be interested in.

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

Orlando isn't trading Gordon for Hayward. Just stop. Lol.

I think they'd definitely be interested in trading Gordon for a better player who compliments their roster better. Hayward could be a 1 year rental though and someone might offer them a pick for Gordon (though they've reportedly been trying to do that since last year and no one will offer them one). So they have to weigh that in case Hayward is only one year. But it's absolutely an idea they'd likely be interested in.

Go pitch the idea on the Orlando Board. I guarantee they would hate the trade. Why would the Magic give up a young PF who has yet to hit his prime for Gordon Hayward - a guy who's best years are behind him, and is likely to leave as a free agent? Hayward also happens to play the same position as Jonathan Isaac. Why create a logjam against a player you want to develop?

[Parliament10]

Orlando isn't trading Gordon for Hayward. Just stop. Lol.

I think they'd definitely be interested in trading Gordon for a better player who compliments their roster better. Hayward could be a 1 year rental though and someone might offer them a pick for Gordon (though they've reportedly been trying to do that since last year and no one will offer them one). So they have to weigh that in case Hayward is only one year. But it's absolutely an idea they'd likely be interested in.

Go pitch the idea on the Orlando Board. I guarantee they would hate the trade. Why would the Magic give up a young PF who has yet to hit his prime for Gordon Hayward - a guy who's best years are behind him, and is likely to leave as a free agent? Hayward also happens to play the same position as Jonathan Isaac. Why create a logjam against a player you want to develop?

Yeah but. Where would Hayward leave to?
He may be all in on a Trade. We'll see what happens this offseason.

If he commits to staying in Orlando (or somewhere), then Hayward only helps himself.

[hugepatsfan]

Orlando isn't trading Gordon for Hayward. Just stop. Lol.

I think they'd definitely be interested in trading Gordon for a better player who compliments their roster better. Hayward could be a 1 year rental though and someone might offer them a pick for Gordon (though they've reportedly been trying to do that since last year and no one will offer them one). So they have to weigh that in case Hayward is only one year. But it's absolutely an idea they'd likely be interested in.

Go pitch the idea on the Orlando Board. I guarantee they would hate the trade. Why would the Magic give up a young PF who has yet to hit his prime for Gordon Hayward - a guy who's best years are behind him, and is likely to leave as a free agent? Hayward also happens to play the same position as Jonathan Isaac. Why create a logjam against a player you want to develop?

Magic fans on the general boards like the idea and have proposed multiple iterations of it. Issac is not a natural SF, he's a natural PF. He's playing SF because him and Gordon are duplicate players. Hence my point of Hayward fitting their roster better. It's not creating a log jam, it's alleviating one so Issac can be developed. That's why the Magic fans on the general board like the idea because Hayward brings outside shooting, playmaking and shot creation ability that they don't have at the forward spot.

The contract situation is definitely an issue. Gordon has two years left so that's not as immediate. There's no way though that the Magic are going to pay Gordon when he's a FA. He just doesn't fit their roster well. I doubt they want to lose him for nothing so most likely they trade him in the next two years.

The thing people don't realize is that Gordon isn't really that valuable. Magic have been trying to trade him for over a year now. It's not that he isn't a good player, he's just not someone teams want to give value for. Any non center who can't shoot takes a tailored roster to fit well on. $18M salary means on most teams he's going to be a top 4 player and it's hard to make someone without a ton of offensive ability a top 4 player on your roster when you're pushing the luxury tax like most good teams are. Most teams don't want to give up great draft capital for that.

For the Magic to trade Gordon for Hayward, they would also need to include another player Aminu. That's a multi year deal. So if Hayward did walk after the year, they'd be clearing about $25M of money off of their books that would otherwise be there with Aminu/Gordon. So that's a consideration as well. With that cap space, they should be able to get a player to replace whatever they lost with Gordon. And in the meantime they'd have gotten a nice boost in talent for one year.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Orlando isn't trading Gordon for Hayward. Just stop. Lol.

I think they'd definitely be interested in trading Gordon for a better player who compliments their roster better. Hayward could be a 1 year rental though and someone might offer them a pick for Gordon (though they've reportedly been trying to do that since last year and no one will offer them one). So they have to weigh that in case Hayward is only one year. But it's absolutely an idea they'd likely be interested in.

Go pitch the idea on the Orlando Board. I guarantee they would hate the trade. Why would the Magic give up a young PF who has yet to hit his prime for Gordon Hayward - a guy who's best years are behind him, and is likely to leave as a free agent? Hayward also happens to play the same position as Jonathan Isaac. Why create a logjam against a player you want to develop?

Theres literally been Magic fans here that have been for the deal lol. Also, Hayward is a 3. Isaac is a 4. AG is a 4. Thats why they’d trade AG.

[theman]

I've seen a couple of trade ideas for the celtics getting Jarret Allen from Brooklyn, an idea I can get behind. We'd send one of theis or williams with a top pick swap and another late first from us to get him. I like it and think it would make us the best defense in the east and possibly the league with a legit rim protector, and I don't think our offense would drop off significantly or at all. What do y'all think?

I'd love to have Jarret Allen on the Celtics but Brooklyn is in win now mode. They have Kyrie and Durrant and will want to bring in a third star if they don't think Allen is that third star. Maybe a three team deal where another team sends a vet to Bkn but that team would likely be rebuilding and want the young talent.

I’d rather hold on to Rob Williams and develop him. Similar talents, IMO. Rob has a chance to be special with his absurd block and steal rates and good passing, combined with his finishing ability. Allen is more proven right now by far but Timelord is healthy and Kanter is hyping him up. I want to see him raise some eyebrows this summer.

Interesting that Allen is a year younger. Would not have guessed that.

Theis also plays a different but critical role for us, and I’d view a front court with both Allen and Williams as limited and too redundant.

I have big hopes for what Bob Bill could become but Allen is already proven. Take the sure thing. But as I pointed out above I think that is unlikely.

[MagicBagley18]

I’m all set on Aaron Gordon....no thanks on guys who get more upset about being robbed in a dunk contest than losing real meaningful games. See the allure w him but I’m good.

[bucknersrevenge]

I’m all set on Aaron Gordon....no thanks on guys who get more upset about being robbed in a dunk contest than losing real meaningful games. See the allure w him but I’m good.

I'd argue that he's been upset before. He's just realistic about his team's talent and their front office. And he did get robbed....twice.

[bucknersrevenge]

I think they'd definitely be interested in trading Gordon for a better player who compliments their roster better. Hayward could be a 1 year rental though and someone might offer them a pick for Gordon (though they've reportedly been trying to do that since last year and no one will offer them one). So they have to weigh that in case Hayward is only one year. But it's absolutely an idea they'd likely be interested in.

Go pitch the idea on the Orlando Board. I guarantee they would hate the trade. Why would the Magic give up a young PF who has yet to hit his prime for Gordon Hayward - a guy who's best years are behind him, and is likely to leave as a free agent? Hayward also happens to play the same position as Jonathan Isaac. Why create a logjam against a player you want to develop?

Theres literally been Magic fans here that have been for the deal lol. Also, Hayward is a 3. Isaac is a 4. AG is a 4. Thats why they’d trade AG.

Gordon could kill a trade like this with his opt out clause though right?? If he didn't want to go there I mean. Considering how screwed up the state of FL is right now, his wife about to have their next child, FL does not look like a safe place to be.

[hugepatsfan]

Go pitch the idea on the Orlando Board. I guarantee they would hate the trade. Why would the Magic give up a young PF who has yet to hit his prime for Gordon Hayward - a guy who's best years are behind him, and is likely to leave as a free agent? Hayward also happens to play the same position as Jonathan Isaac. Why create a logjam against a player you want to develop?

Theres literally been Magic fans here that have been for the deal lol. Also, Hayward is a 3. Isaac is a 4. AG is a 4. Thats why they’d trade AG.

Gordon could kill a trade like this with his opt out clause though right?? If he didn't want to go there I mean. Considering how screwed up the state of FL is right now, his wife about to have their next child, FL does not look like a safe place to be.

Yes and no. At some point he has to decide whether he’s opting in or out. Once he opts in, he can be traded to wherever. He has to do that by the official start of the league year I believe.

Obviously trade talks would start before that. So if he hears through rumors that he’s being talked about, like in a move to Orlando for example, he can decide to opt out to avoid getting traded if he doesn’t want to be there.

The danger there is that only the Knicks, Pistons, Hornets and Heat project to have cap space. The first 3 teams are rebuilding and seem unlikely to hand Hayward a major long term deal. The Heat would seem to be interested in him again but they want to make a run Giannis and/or Oladipo next year so it seems unlikely they’d do a multi year deal. And they don’t have the cap space to offer what he’s making on his current option year so that would be a paycut.

I know we joke about Ainge being an a-hole but I don’t think he’ll let it get to that level of toxic. I think he’ll sit down with Hayward and explain to him how the team view his future there. If he opts in and outs them in the tax will they be looking to let him walk next year to reset it and avoid repeater rates down the line? Would they be willing to pay the tax and extend him a new contract after this year if he plays out the last year on this one? If so, would they go beyond Kemba’s deal (which would be a 2 year deal next offseason) or do they want to preserve flexibility? I’m sure Ainge and Hayward’s agents will find which teams would be interested in free agency should Hayward opt out and Ainge will be open about the feasibility of facilitating a S&T for that. And I’m sure Ainge will say whether there were teams who would make good offers for him in a trade on that option year and whether Ainge would accept.

In the end it’s Hayward’s decision to do whatever is best for him. So think him and Ainge will work collaboratively so Hayward understands the ramifications of those decisions. It’s not going to be “surprise! You opted in so you’re going to Orlando!” I’m sure they’ll discuss it upfront and Hayward will opt in know if that’s the case that he’d be traded.

[MagicBagley18]

I’m all set on Aaron Gordon....no thanks on guys who get more upset about being robbed in a dunk contest than losing real meaningful games. See the allure w him but I’m good.

I'd argue that he's been upset before. He's just realistic about his team's talent and their front office. And he did get robbed....twice.

Ehh never seen the public stories and rants about his team missing the playoffs or going on a losing streak or acquiring talent on the roster like I did when he lost or got “robbed” in a meaningless dunk contest. You say he’s realistic about his teams chances I wish he’d be more realistic about who he is as a player.

Strikes me as the quintessential player who thinks he’s better than he is, being held back by his organization etc. don’t think he’d be happy here as the 4th option either. I understand wanting to acquiring something for Hayward but no thanks on Aaron Gordon for me.

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

I’m all set on Aaron Gordon....no thanks on guys who get more upset about being robbed in a dunk contest than losing real meaningful games. See the allure w him but I’m good.

I'd argue that he's been upset before. He's just realistic about his team's talent and their front office. And he did get robbed....twice.

Ehh never seen the public stories and rants about his team missing the playoffs or going on a losing streak or acquiring talent on the roster like I did when he lost or got “robbed” in a meaningless dunk contest. You say he’s realistic about his teams chances I wish he’d be more realistic about who he is as a player.

Strikes me as the quintessential player who thinks he’s better than he is, being held back by his organization etc. don’t think he’d be happy here as the 4th option either. I understand wanting to acquiring something for Hayward but no thanks on Aaron Gordon for me.

The guy made a song about being robbed. Lol.

Watch on YouTube

[Curmudgeon]

I have no interest in anyone on Orlando's roster, with the possible exception of Mo Bamba, who is a major project but who might turn out to be a decent big man. Fournier is skilled, but he's a marshmallow. He's also about to become massively overpaid. Vicevic is just a slightly better but much more expensive version of Kanter.

[24istheLAW]

Here’s an idea. Get a third team involved to swap Hayward and Dejounte Murray.

Spurs get a 3rd star to pair with LMA and DeRozan. One who can space the floor and fill the gaps between the other two. Pop isn’t getting any younger.

Celts get some ball handling and defense that’s cost-controlled. That way you can move Smart into the starting lineup to replace Hayward, and Murray replaces Smart off the bench. Then you save money over the next 2-3 seasons (which looks necessary).

[hugepatsfan]

Here’s an idea. Get a third team involved to swap Hayward and Dejounte Murray.

Spurs get a 3rd star to pair with LMA and DeRozan. One who can space the floor and fill the gaps between the other two. Pop isn’t getting any younger.

Celts get some ball handling and defense that’s cost-controlled. That way you can move Smart into the starting lineup to replace Hayward, and Murray replaces Smart off the bench. Then you save money over the next 2-3 seasons (which looks necessary).

I love the idea, but I think the Spurs like Murray too much. I think there's a CHANCE that you could land him because they have Derrick White as a good young PG and Lonnie Walker ready for a bigger role at SG. It's also a strong PG draft and a lot of people think the best player on the board for the Spurs pick might be a PG (Haliburton, Anthony)

I think the trade would have to be something like this:

BOS gets: G Dejounte Murray, G Patty Mills or F Rudy Gay (whichever expiring they prefer to give up)
SA gets: F Gordon Hayward, #17 pick

I think they value Murray a lot and wouldn't move him for a short term asset like Hayward.

Since we've all been talking about Orlando I could see something like this too:

BOS gives: F Gordon Hayward, #17 pick
BOS gets: G Dejounte Murray, F Al Faroq-Aminu

ORL gives: F Aaron Gordon, F Al F Faroq-Aminu
ORL gets: F Gordon Hayward

SA gives: G Dejounte Murray
SA gets: F Aaron Gordon, #17 pick

Our lineup after the trade:

Walker / Murray
Brown / Smart
Tatum / Langford
Aminu / G. Williams
Theis / Kanter / R. Williams

Stevens likes to play Smart as a wing rather than point guard because he obviously can play great defense there while giving you a multi PG look on offense. Getting Murray locks that in. Aminu is a 3&D combo forward so I went with him in the starting lineup just to balance the rotation vs. putting Smart in. You'd obviously close the games out with Smart or Murray in his place.

[RickyDizzle]

Here’s an idea. Get a third team involved to swap Hayward and Dejounte Murray.

Spurs get a 3rd star to pair with LMA and DeRozan. One who can space the floor and fill the gaps between the other two. Pop isn’t getting any younger.

Celts get some ball handling and defense that’s cost-controlled. That way you can move Smart into the starting lineup to replace Hayward, and Murray replaces Smart off the bench. Then you save money over the next 2-3 seasons (which looks necessary).

I love the idea, but I think the Spurs like Murray too much. I think there's a CHANCE that you could land him because they have Derrick White as a good young PG and Lonnie Walker ready for a bigger role at SG. It's also a strong PG draft and a lot of people think the best player on the board for the Spurs pick might be a PG (Haliburton, Anthony)

I think the trade would have to be something like this:

BOS gets: G Dejounte Murray, G Patty Mills or F Rudy Gay (whichever expiring they prefer to give up)
SA gets: F Gordon Hayward, #17 pick

I think they value Murray a lot and wouldn't move him for a short term asset like Hayward.

Since we've all been talking about Orlando I could see something like this too:

BOS gives: F Gordon Hayward, #17 pick
BOS gets: G Dejounte Murray, F Al Faroq-Aminu

ORL gives: F Aaron Gordon, F Al F Faroq-Aminu
ORL gets: F Gordon Hayward

SA gives: G Dejounte Murray
SA gets: F Aaron Gordon, #17 pick

Our lineup after the trade:

Walker / Murray
Brown / Smart
Tatum / Langford
Aminu / G. Williams
Theis / Kanter / R. Williams

Stevens likes to play Smart as a wing rather than point guard because he obviously can play great defense there while giving you a multi PG look on offense. Getting Murray locks that in. Aminu is a 3&D combo forward so I went with him in the starting lineup just to balance the rotation vs. putting Smart in. You'd obviously close the games out with Smart or Murray in his place.

So we trade Hayward to replace him in the starting lineup with Aminu? Yuck.

I realize Murray is the prize but looks like too many good guards on the bench. Think if Hayward is traded we need a big or a sharpshooting SG with the Js manning the 3 and 4 spots...

[24istheLAW]

So we trade Hayward to replace him in the starting lineup with Aminu? Yuck.

I realize Murray is the prize but looks like too many good guards on the bench. Think if Hayward is traded we need a big or a sharpshooting SG with the Js manning the 3 and 4 spots...

The initial idea was this: Hayward leaving takes you from being 6 deep with starters to 5. If you find a 3rd team that wants rookie-scale filler (Memphis pick?), then SA gets Gordon, we get Murray, and team #3 gets the picks/rookie-scale fillers. Then you promote Smart to starting lineup, to replace Hayward's ball-handling/defensive versatility. Then Murray can replace Smart versatility/offensive initiating off the bench.

Guards: Walker, Smart, Murray... Waters
Wings: Tatum, Brown, MLE (Millsap? Marvin Williams?).... Ojeleye, Langford
Bigs: Theis, Grant Williams, Kanter.... Robert Williams

Doesn't make the team better necessarily. Just helps you absorb the loss of Hayward competitively, while keeping salaries down and maintaining flexibility with tradeable contracts, in case a killshot trade opportunity arises in the future.

[hugepatsfan]

Here’s an idea. Get a third team involved to swap Hayward and Dejounte Murray.

Spurs get a 3rd star to pair with LMA and DeRozan. One who can space the floor and fill the gaps between the other two. Pop isn’t getting any younger.

Celts get some ball handling and defense that’s cost-controlled. That way you can move Smart into the starting lineup to replace Hayward, and Murray replaces Smart off the bench. Then you save money over the next 2-3 seasons (which looks necessary).

I love the idea, but I think the Spurs like Murray too much. I think there's a CHANCE that you could land him because they have Derrick White as a good young PG and Lonnie Walker ready for a bigger role at SG. It's also a strong PG draft and a lot of people think the best player on the board for the Spurs pick might be a PG (Haliburton, Anthony)

I think the trade would have to be something like this:

BOS gets: G Dejounte Murray, G Patty Mills or F Rudy Gay (whichever expiring they prefer to give up)
SA gets: F Gordon Hayward, #17 pick

I think they value Murray a lot and wouldn't move him for a short term asset like Hayward.

Since we've all been talking about Orlando I could see something like this too:

BOS gives: F Gordon Hayward, #17 pick
BOS gets: G Dejounte Murray, F Al Faroq-Aminu

ORL gives: F Aaron Gordon, F Al F Faroq-Aminu
ORL gets: F Gordon Hayward

SA gives: G Dejounte Murray
SA gets: F Aaron Gordon, #17 pick

Our lineup after the trade:

Walker / Murray
Brown / Smart
Tatum / Langford
Aminu / G. Williams
Theis / Kanter / R. Williams

Stevens likes to play Smart as a wing rather than point guard because he obviously can play great defense there while giving you a multi PG look on offense. Getting Murray locks that in. Aminu is a 3&D combo forward so I went with him in the starting lineup just to balance the rotation vs. putting Smart in. You'd obviously close the games out with Smart or Murray in his place.

So we trade Hayward to replace him in the starting lineup with Aminu? Yuck.

I realize Murray is the prize but looks like too many good guards on the bench. Think if Hayward is traded we need a big or a sharpshooting SG with the Js manning the 3 and 4 spots...

Really, it's Murray would be taking Hayward's minutes. Either by going into the starting lineup himself or Smart going into it and Murray taking his bench minutes. It would set us up as:

Walker / Murray
Smart / Langford
Brown / Aminu
Tatum / G. Williams
Theis / Kanter / R. Williams

I had Aminu in there because I think he takes some pressure off of Tatum to guard opposing 4s to start and I think he's a little more reliable than Smart shooting catch-and-shoot 3s. Murray has also improved his scoring more than his playmaking since coming into the league so I liked Smart on the bench unit alongside him to compensate. So I thought Aminu starting the game made a little more sense.

If you compare that 11 man rotation to this year's, it's really Murray taking Hayward's minutes, Langford taking Wanamakers, and Aminu taking Semi's. Starting vs bench for me is just how you line them up rotation wise. I liked the Aminu starting version better than this one.

[Parliament10]

So we trade Hayward to replace him in the starting lineup with Aminu? Yuck.

I realize Murray is the prize but looks like too many good guards on the bench. Think if Hayward is traded we need a big or a sharpshooting SG with the Js manning the 3 and 4 spots...

The initial idea was this: Hayward leaving takes you from being 6 deep with starters to 5. If you find a 3rd team that wants rookie-scale filler (Memphis pick?), then SA gets Gordon, we get Murray, and team #3 gets the picks/rookie-scale fillers. Then you promote Smart to starting lineup, to replace Hayward's ball-handling/defensive versatility. Then Murray can replace Smart versatility/offensive initiating off the bench.

Guards: Walker, Smart, Murray... Waters
Wings: Tatum, Brown, MLE (Millsap? Marvin Williams?).... Ojeleye, Langford
Bigs: Theis, Grant Williams, Kanter.... Robert Williams

Doesn't make the team better necessarily. Just helps you absorb the loss of Hayward competitively, while keeping salaries down and maintaining flexibility with tradeable contracts, in case a killshot trade opportunity arises in the future.

Yeah. I think that if you're going to Trade Hayward, then you have to at least bring in an Aaron Gordon-type.
Smart should stay our 6th-Man. That really maintains strength in the Starting Lineup, should someone go down for a bit.