Fischella wrote:I think Deni is going to be better in the NBA than Osman as soon as next season, Cedi is so bad on D
terrible take on Osman.
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Fischella wrote:I think Deni is going to be better in the NBA than Osman as soon as next season, Cedi is so bad on D
terrible take on Osman.
BlazersBroncos wrote:terrible take on Osman.
I mean, he may be held back by the low talent level in Cleveland but his advanced defensive stats are quite poor and he is a negative VORP player. He also has an abysmal WS/48.
Just looking at this season, he has the 7th highest DBPM on the team (Excluded a few low minutes waiver guys) and the 10th highest WS/48. His VORP is the 2nd lowest of any rotation guy after the rookie Porter. On a 19 win team he is showing advanced stats that point to him being a lower level backup.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion but your certainly going against the grain saying he and Deni are of similar talent. The crowd isn't always right but when everyone basically has one player as a SRP and one a high FRP, there is something to be said.
j_n wrote:
getrichordie wrote:j_n wrote:
That off the dribble pull up 3!
Seriously, though, I think he can be a good secondary creator at the next level in time. He's got the handles and he's a smart player. Shows good feel for the game.
I wouldn't be mad if he went #1 or #2.
SwipeDaFox wrote:He definitely needs to be in a situation where his off-ball offensive ability is given the chance to shine.
As mentioned his IQ and understanding of where to be, when to move, how to cut is extremely evident and it comes so easy to him at his age, almost like 2nd nature.
Also how he acts from the post - reading defenses and watching defensive players rotation and then immediately reacting - those are very advanced things for a kid his age and show he really thinks the game over.
I agree his foot-speed and ability to move his legs on D would be put to the challenge at the next level though - but I think his IQ translates to the defensive side aswell - and his size and ability to mix it up on D at several positions will make up for it.
UcanUwill wrote:He looks much improved, I am starting to believe, just makes me wonder what his role would be facing Euroleague teams now?
Stillwater wrote:UcanUwill wrote:He looks much improved, I am starting to believe, just makes me wonder what his role would be facing Euroleague teams now?
Do you see it transfer against faster best of the best athletes though? I think he is a role player fringe starter with a decent bbiq and still has room to get stronger to play the 4 where those speed issues are less of an issue defensively, but doesn't look to be long enough or explosive enough to defend the paint against NBA bigs even if he can get you 15/5/3 against lesser 2nd units
BlazersBroncos wrote:I have watched a lot of clips of Deni and don't really see any issue with his shot mechanics. Decently high release, not the quickest but he isn't going to be that #1/#2 option type that is shooting many contested (Outside closeouts) or dribble pull up 3PT shots. His base is sorta off, but tons of players make it work w/o ideal mechanics.
He has a great open floor handle for a player his size albeit IDK if he will be good enough to justify taking it up the floor often, but his passing in the half court and fast break is definatley translatable. I think he can be a elite #4 or a lower tier #3 (A Hedo level #3 IMO). That's worth a very high pick in a draft that has almost nothing but questionmarks at the top. There is no way a player like LaMelo ends up helping a good team win in the ways someone like Deni can IMO. His middle ground makes him attractive as a prospect. He is the anti LaMelo / Edwards, who exemplify the boom / bust prospect IMO.
BlazersBroncos wrote:What are people seeing as his NBA comparison? I see a ton of Detlef in his game, but a 21st century version so more 3PT shooting on higher volume. The Seattle Detlef moreso than Indiana IMO.
Soul Rebel wrote:For those that have watched more of Avdija, does anyone think his athleticism is reminiscent of the knocks on Klay when he came out?
Not comparing other aspects of their games, but just the athletic, "not sure if he can keep up with NBA athleticism" critiques that guys like he and Devin Booker had.