OT: COVID-19 thread #3

[rtblues]

"Enthusiasm". Huh?
Is anybody here actually "enthusiastic" about the way ish has been going?

[PlayerUp]

The energy - also known as votes - for Biden comes from Trump’s weak handling of COVID and his poorly received reaction to rapidly escalating racial tensions.

I agree that Trump has handled this poorly but do we really believe that Biden would have done much better? Luckily for him there is a much better basement in the White House for him to hang out in....... Biden just doesn't instill confidence of him tackling major issues.

Yeah Biden would have handled this better. I'm not a fan of Biden by any means, but he wouldn't have acted like the virus didn't exist and continously say it would just disappear. He'd actually listen to the medical professionals from the get go, wouldn't push conspiracy theories, and promote wearing masks. He wouldn't have sat on the information for months before even attempting to do anything about it.

Hell even before this started he wouldn't have made cuts to the cdc that handles infectious diseases.

There's absolutely no doubt Biden would have handled this better.

Biden would have certainly not implemented travel bans but at the same time he would be wearing a mask to set an example. Lets not act though like Biden who can't even remember basic things would have saved America. In the end, the outcome would have been the same. Over 100k dead.

[bentheredengthat]

Good grief. Thanks dipsticks! Hope you enjoyed your “freedom.” I’ll be thinking of how you helped screw my kids out of multiple sports seasons of their youth that they can never get back. You **** fake patriot idiots.

... So I work in the construction industry in Florida. Also I live in a neighborhood of old wealthy very conservative white people.

I noticed that up until a couple months ago this was all a running joke to the men... Kind of this dialogue of "do you know anyone who has it? No me neither "wink wink smirk smirk.. these lefties are real snowflakes (because of course covid is politics)

3 weeks ago everything changed, now everyone knows someone who has it. It's like someone flipped a switch.

Shocker, I know... Who could have seen this coming?

[PlayerUp]

Good grief. Thanks dipsticks! Hope you enjoyed your “freedom.” I’ll be thinking of how you helped screw my kids out of multiple sports seasons of their youth that they can never get back. You **** fake patriot idiots.

Stubborn stubborn stubborn. A big issue with America overall so it's no real surprise we're getting hammered with COVID-19 while other countries are able to contain it. People think they're invincible. Some people have to learn the hard way that their are consequences to their actions.

[RedBulls23]

I agree that Trump has handled this poorly but do we really believe that Biden would have done much better? Luckily for him there is a much better basement in the White House for him to hang out in....... Biden just doesn't instill confidence of him tackling major issues.

Yeah Biden would have handled this better. I'm not a fan of Biden by any means, but he wouldn't have acted like the virus didn't exist and continously say it would just disappear. He'd actually listen to the medical professionals from the get go, wouldn't push conspiracy theories, and promote wearing masks. He wouldn't have sat on the information for months before even attempting to do anything about it.

Hell even before this started he wouldn't have made cuts to the cdc that handles infectious diseases.

There's absolutely no doubt Biden would have handled this better.

Biden would have certainly not implemented travel bans but at the same time he would be wearing a mask to set an example. Lets not act though like Biden who can't even remember basic things would have saved America. In the end, the outcome would have been the same. Over 100k dead.

Acting like it wasn't serious for about 3 months before doing a damn thing about it has resulted in over a 100k deaths.

Why do you think these other countries have had a much better outcome than us? They handled it the correct way from the start. So no, we would not have 130k deaths still or over a 100k even.

[PlayerUp]

The formula is really pretty simple.

1. Lock down and flatten the curve.
2. Implement aggressive testing policies.
3. Quarantine and contact trace anyone who tests positive
4. Wear masks

Formula works well to reduce COVID-19 cases but sadly it's not enough to fully prevent it.

Had someone around me test positive yesterday for COVID-19 who literally did everything possible to not get it. No symptoms but they're required to get tested every week. He must have made a mistake somewhere on the way. Shows you how serious COVID-19 is.

I was hesitating if I should get this COVID-19 vaccine or not but it's clear we're all going to need it.

[PlayerUp]

Why do you think these other countries have had a much better outcome than us? They handled it the correct way from the start. So no, we would not have 130k deaths still or over a 100k even.

Because Americans are stubborn and want their freedom. That's the #1 problem.

[bentheredengthat]

Meanwhile, today's focus by the brilliant one: let's get those schools open asap!

I don't even know if we can survive 6 more months of this. Possibly not hyperbole, that's the scary part.

[RedBulls23]

The issue with now things have been handled so damn poorly aren't just with Trump, but the entire administration. We have a bunch of science deniers leading the way.

[RedBulls23]

Why do you think these other countries have had a much better outcome than us? They handled it the correct way from the start. So no, we would not have 130k deaths still or over a 100k even.

Because Americans are stubborn and want their freedom. That's the #1 problem.

yes which would have resulted in deaths, but not as many as have occurred.

There's major failures by this administration that have gotten us to this point.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/24/trump-cuts-undermine-coronavirus-containment-cdc-watchdog-report

[PlayerUp]

yes which would have resulted in deaths, but not as many as have occurred.

There's major failures by this administration that have gotten us to this point.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/24/trump-cuts-undermine-coronavirus-containment-cdc-watchdog-report

You don't need to tell me that Trump poorly handled COVID-19 especially at the start. I agree with you. I was shocked when he said certain things back in March about COVID-19 acting like this wasn't serious while cases are starting to spread globally especially in South Korea. Had he diverted impeachment discussions and instead went on a mass panic in January/February that COVID-19 could seriously impact the US and we need to take action now, cases would have been greatly reduced but it still wouldn't have been enough.

I'm in another country right now. It's an absolute joke how the government has done very little here to help combat COVID-19. Why are the cases significantly lower here? It's the people. They're taking COVID-19 seriously. People go to work and they come home and stay in their homes. They almost all wear masks and they listen to what experts have advised them to do.

The #1 problem is still individual Americans who go out without masks, are in denial COVID-19 is a serious problem, want to party, have fun and riot, want to have their freedom to do what they want and are self entitled. Lets not forget the tiktok challenge to lick a toilet that may have covid-19 on it.

[RedBulls23]

yes which would have resulted in deaths, but not as many as have occurred.

There's major failures by this administration that have gotten us to this point.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/24/trump-cuts-undermine-coronavirus-containment-cdc-watchdog-report

You don't need to tell me that Trump poorly handled COVID-19 especially at the start. I agree with you. I was shocked when he said certain things back in March about COVID-19 acting like this wasn't serious while cases are starting to spread globally especially in South Korea. Had he diverted impeachment discussions and instead went on a mass panic in January/February that COVID-19 could seriously impact the US and we need to take action now, cases would have been greatly reduced but it still wouldn't have been enough.

I'm in another country right now. It's an absolute joke how the government has done very little here to help combat COVID-19. Why are the cases significantly lower here? It's the people. They're taking COVID-19 seriously. People go to work and they come home and stay in their homes. They almost all wear masks and they listen to what experts have advised them to do.

The #1 problem is still individual Americans who go out without masks, are in denial COVID-19 is a serious problem, want to party, have fun and riot, want to have their freedom to do what they want and are self entitled.

I don't know what's "not enough" means.

My point is we would not be sitting anywhere near 130k deaths. Which is likely closer to 150-160 considering places like Texas and Florida are under reporting.

[molepharmer]

Whatever New Mexico is doing to stay off that list, maybe others should take note.

[DuckIII]

Good grief. Thanks dipsticks! Hope you enjoyed your “freedom.” I’ll be thinking of how you helped screw my kids out of multiple sports seasons of their youth that they can never get back. You **** fake patriot idiots.

Stubborn stubborn stubborn. A big issue with America overall so it's no real surprise we're getting hammered with COVID-19 while other countries are able to contain it. People think they're invincible. Some people have to learn the hard way that their are consequences to their actions.

I’m not in a very good place right now to be civil about this type of “America overall” bull ****. Both by simply looking at statewide data trends, statements and actions from political leadership, and by my own personal experiences, it’s pretty god damn obvious who is taking this seriously with a sense of community responsibility to the greater good, and who is selfishly doing whatever the hell they want while wrapping themselves in the American flag.

So you can take the “that’s just America in general and these outcomes were never avoidable” and stick it in the sock drawer. I’ve had it. It’s a disgrace how an easily identifiable segment of America has proudly claimed “**** you” as the new patriotism.

[DuckIII]

Why do you think these other countries have had a much better outcome than us? They handled it the correct way from the start. So no, we would not have 130k deaths still or over a 100k even.

Because Americans are stubborn and want their freedom. That's the #1 problem.

Would you please stop referring to “Americans” as some sort of invariant homogeneous mass so that I don’t have to buy a new phone after I throw this one across the room?

[musiqsoulchild]

The formula is really pretty simple.

1. Lock down and flatten the curve.
2. Implement aggressive testing policies.
3. Quarantine and contact trace anyone who tests positive
4. Wear masks

Formula works well to reduce COVID-19 cases but sadly it's not enough to fully prevent it.

Had someone around me test positive yesterday for COVID-19 who literally did everything possible to not get it. No symptoms but they're required to get tested every week. He must have made a mistake somewhere on the way. Shows you how serious COVID-19 is.

I was hesitating if I should get this COVID-19 vaccine or not but it's clear we're all going to need it.

Goal is NOT to avoid getting it. 80 to 90 percent of is will get it.

Goal is to not die from it.
Not go to the hospital from it
Not tax the ICU's that are brimming from higher capacities

And the goal is to not spread it.

[TheStig]

Yeah Biden would have handled this better. I'm not a fan of Biden by any means, but he wouldn't have acted like the virus didn't exist and continously say it would just disappear. He'd actually listen to the medical professionals from the get go, wouldn't push conspiracy theories, and promote wearing masks. He wouldn't have sat on the information for months before even attempting to do anything about it.

Hell even before this started he wouldn't have made cuts to the cdc that handles infectious diseases.

There's absolutely no doubt Biden would have handled this better.

Biden would have certainly not implemented travel bans but at the same time he would be wearing a mask to set an example. Lets not act though like Biden who can't even remember basic things would have saved America. In the end, the outcome would have been the same. Over 100k dead.

Acting like it wasn't serious for about 3 months before doing a damn thing about it has resulted in over a 100k deaths.

Why do you think these other countries have had a much better outcome than us? They handled it the correct way from the start. So no, we would not have 130k deaths still or over a 100k even.

I think you guys assume Biden would have shutdown the country in early Feb. That's just wishful thinking. Maybe he shuts down a week or two earlier but it's not a month or two earlier. Biden also isn't going to close down the southern states when they reopen. Or change the systematic issues like the unemployment boost expiring soon or tens of millions losing healthcare that's tied to their job.

I'm not saying less people don't die but we're still at 100k because we didn't give companies payroll or provide health coverage like other countries. The country has to reopen here quicker because smaller businesses and people would have the same issues they do now. He's not fundamentally changing things. It might just sound a little better but we'd still be at around 100k deaths. It's wishful thinking that we'd all be fine if he was in office. It'd be closer to what it is now than in other countries due to the systematic limitations we have. After all, we're still one of the few countries in the world where medical bankruptcies happen and that's after 8 years of Obama and Obamacare.

[musiqsoulchild]

Meanwhile, today's focus by the brilliant one: let's get those schools open asap!

I don't even know if we can survive 6 more months of this. Possibly not hyperbole, that's the scary part.

6 months?

That would mean he got reelected

I just cant...

[DuckIII]

Biden would have certainly not implemented travel bans but at the same time he would be wearing a mask to set an example. Lets not act though like Biden who can't even remember basic things would have saved America. In the end, the outcome would have been the same. Over 100k dead.

Acting like it wasn't serious for about 3 months before doing a damn thing about it has resulted in over a 100k deaths.

Why do you think these other countries have had a much better outcome than us? They handled it the correct way from the start. So no, we would not have 130k deaths still or over a 100k even.

I think you guys assume Biden would have shutdown the country in early Feb. That's just wishful thinking. Maybe he shuts down a week or two earlier but it's not a month or two earlier. Biden also isn't going to close down the southern states when they reopen. Or change the systematic issues like the unemployment boost expiring soon or tens of millions losing healthcare that's tied to their job.

I'm not saying less people don't die but we're still at 100k because we didn't give companies payroll or provide health coverage like other countries. The country has to reopen here quicker because smaller businesses and people would have the same issues they do now. He's not fundamentally changing things. It might just sound a little better but we'd still be at around 100k deaths. It's wishful thinking that we'd all be fine if he was in office. It'd be closer to what it is now than in other countries due to the systematic limitations we have. After all, we're still one of the few countries in the world where medical bankruptcies happen and that's after 8 years of Obama and Obamacare.

Don’t light a match near all these straw men, Stig.

Ignore Biden completely. Just take a look at state leadership, steps taken, and even current outcomes and trends. It will reveal a very clear distinction to relative methods.

[TheStig]

Acting like it wasn't serious for about 3 months before doing a damn thing about it has resulted in over a 100k deaths.

Why do you think these other countries have had a much better outcome than us? They handled it the correct way from the start. So no, we would not have 130k deaths still or over a 100k even.

I think you guys assume Biden would have shutdown the country in early Feb. That's just wishful thinking. Maybe he shuts down a week or two earlier but it's not a month or two earlier. Biden also isn't going to close down the southern states when they reopen. Or change the systematic issues like the unemployment boost expiring soon or tens of millions losing healthcare that's tied to their job.

I'm not saying less people don't die but we're still at 100k because we didn't give companies payroll or provide health coverage like other countries. The country has to reopen here quicker because smaller businesses and people would have the same issues they do now. He's not fundamentally changing things. It might just sound a little better but we'd still be at around 100k deaths. It's wishful thinking that we'd all be fine if he was in office. It'd be closer to what it is now than in other countries due to the systematic limitations we have. After all, we're still one of the few countries in the world where medical bankruptcies happen and that's after 8 years of Obama and Obamacare.

Don’t light a match near all these straw men, Stig.

Ignore Biden completely. Just take a look at state leadership, steps taken, and even current outcomes and trends. It will reveal a very clear distinction to relative methods.

Every day Como came out and had a conference. Every day he scolded his people and closed down his state. People thought he walked on water. Similar thing in California. They still both have the highest cases to date.

There are systematic issues in this country that make it impossible to beat this thing. If you're someone lower class and lost your job, maybe you get unemployment, maybe you can afford cobra (probably not) maybe you can buy groceries, maybe you can pay rent. Or you're not paying your rent, have no insurance, trying to call unemployment 50 times a day and standing in a 3 mile line for groceries.

The reason these other shutdown countries have worked was the government covered almost all the payroll, they have health care through the government so everyone gets it and they avoided the stress, desperation and eventual need to find some work to do and not go crazy. And as much as I agree with the protests, it's really the wrong time to be out in crowds in the street.

So I do think this is an American problem and Biden or como or obama or whoever isn't going to just make the bad man go away and fix it. After all, the bad man was elected to be president by Americans.......