Official MMA discussion thread pt 2: UFC 268 in MSG Usman vs Colby 2, Rose vs Zhang 2

[bringbackhoffa]

UFC has to enlist help for Mike Perry really looks like dude is going through some stuff

[bringbackhoffa]

Jorge is a G for stepping in on short notice. Gilbert vs Usman would have been a barn burner but this is the fight everyone wants to see! I'm pumped.

I guess Gilbert gets the winner of this fight? Or does Conor suddenly come out of retirement and just jump over everyone to no. 1 contender?

Jorge said he'd love the chance to repay Nate for giving him the shine. I don't think the UFC would do something that blatant though. Jorge also said he really wants to run it back with Wonderboy. Wonderboy kinda blanked Masvidal (although Masvidal's low kicks became a key part for Till beating Wonderboy). I'd love to see the division play out like this is Usman lost:

Burns vs Masvidal
Colby vs Wonderboy (next title shot to the winner)
Usman vs Edwards

My other conspiracy theory is that GSP will try to get in there if Masvidal wins. It'd be a huge payday for all parties involved and GSP was posting workout videos again

if Jorge win i think its pretty much will be Jorge v Conor (if fans are allowed in attendance, that could be a record shattering gate), or charge $1 million a ticket in Dubai, im sure they could find 100 people

[j4remi]

https://anchor.fm/FTESWL/episodes/UFC-251-Podcast-Preview-egfvsv

I did a bit of a marathon podcast with Kosher from From the Eastside With Love. We hadn't done a show in a while, so a lot of side topics from the MMA news wire make their way into the discussions. We started from the main event down, so you get an extended Masvidal/Usman chat out the gate. The big discrepancy between my preview and most of what I've seen from others is my take on Holloway/Volkanovski. To this day, I think that fight was much closer than the hype made it out to be and I think Max found some successful combinations later on when he started finishing at the body instead of the head.

One of the TFP friends of show and resident boxing expert Dane has hit us up excited to record a preview too. So I'm trying to squeeze in a second show with a legit lifelong boxer and maybe pull in a BJJ or Muay Thai head too if we can.

[HarthorneWingo]

UFC has to enlist help for Mike Perry really looks like dude is going through some stuff

Weasel’s breakdown of the Platinum Mike Perry vs. Old White Man (from Parts Unknown) fight

Watch on YouTube

[bringbackhoffa]

Perry going down the mayhem Miller route

[Clyde_Style]

Want to see Rose get vengeance

Should be some kind of rule against pile driving people on to their heads though. That was disgusting

[HarthorneWingo]

Perry going down the mayhem Miller route

Mayhem Miller?

[HighRyzer83]

Want to see Rose get vengeance

Should be some kind of rule against pile driving people on to their heads though. That was disgusting

That was a spectacular finish. You even MMA bro?

The brutality of it is primarily optics. the skill, strength, and technical ability of that execution in real time on a skilled opponent, is nothing short of spectacular.

[HighRyzer83]

Who ya got wingo?

Man, if Jorge is fight-ready, I'm going with him. I'm a big fan of his. It's wild to consider all of the adjustments and other considerations that now go into this match. After talking about all of Masvidal's skills, The Weasel chose Usman. But I'm going with Jorge. It'll really be interesting to see what styles each fighter will use and you know Jorge always comes up with something different in each fight. Poirier say Jorge has been real busy helping him train for Hooker.

What so you, HighRyzer?

I know the weasle picked him but he has been wrong before. Namely Emmet vs Burgos, where I won a decent amount of $ by going against his pick. But truly, I think Usman is the safe pick. Because he is so steady and predictable.

However, masvidal is a special kind of person. He is sneaky and unpredictable. His mentality is equivalent to that of a savant in a concerning field. Therefore, I'm sure he has a plan for usmans wrestling. Which is the only way Usman is beating him imo. Mas is difficult to take down. And even harder to keep down. He is also a beast in the clinch. I think the chances of masvidal catching Usman with a awkward strike are better than Usman keeping him down the whole time. I'd give it to Mas. He was even more of an underdog against askren.

[Jkam31]

Usman building in excuses in his ESPN interview stating he was eating like a monster once fight got called off on Friday, i see making weight being problematic for both of these guys, 20 pounds is a lot when you dont have access to a full team and equipment

Haha Marty FakeNewsman from Nebraska stiles again so he never thought they’d get a replacement, dudes a clown man

Are you MAGA?

Haha why cause I like Colby smh
I’m an African American male

If you’d look into Marty’s past you’d know how fake he is and why people call him Marty

[Jkam31]

Jorge is a G for stepping in on short notice. Gilbert vs Usman would have been a barn burner but this is the fight everyone wants to see! I'm pumped.

I guess Gilbert gets the winner of this fight? Or does Conor suddenly come out of retirement and just jump over everyone to no. 1 contender?

Jorge as champion vs Colby or Conner would sell so match money for UFC

[Jkam31]

I guess Gilbert gets the winner of this fight? Or does Conor suddenly come out of retirement and just jump over everyone to no. 1 contender?

Jorge said he'd love the chance to repay Nate for giving him the shine. I don't think the UFC would do something that blatant though. Jorge also said he really wants to run it back with Wonderboy. Wonderboy kinda blanked Masvidal (although Masvidal's low kicks became a key part for Till beating Wonderboy). I'd love to see the division play out like this is Usman lost:

Burns vs Masvidal
Colby vs Wonderboy (next title shot to the winner)
Usman vs Edwards

My other conspiracy theory is that GSP will try to get in there if Masvidal wins. It'd be a huge payday for all parties involved and GSP was posting workout videos again

if Jorge win i think its pretty much will be Jorge v Conor (if fans are allowed in attendance, that could be a record shattering gate), or charge $1 million a ticket in Dubai, im sure they could find 100 people

Or With Colby would make a lot of money considering there history. It would be so unfortunate though that we wouldn’t get pre fight press conference for trash talk that would be all time high as well

[HarthorneWingo]

Haha Marty FakeNewsman from Nebraska stiles again so he never thought they’d get a replacement, dudes a clown man

Are you MAGA?

Haha why cause I like Colby smh
I’m an African American male

If you’d look into Marty’s past you’d know how fake he is and why people call him Marty

Yeah! Only Colby fans call Usman "Marty whatever." No one here calls him that ... until you came along.

So you're a Black MAGA supporter? You're the first one I've ever met. Post a pic of you wearing that MAGA hat. Have you met Trump or have gone to a Trump rally? Maybe an autograph picture of Trump and Colby? (j/k)

[Jkam31]

Are you MAGA?

Haha why cause I like Colby smh
I’m an African American male

If you’d look into Marty’s past you’d know how fake he is and why people call him Marty

Yeah! Only Colby fans call Usman "Marty whatever." No one here calls him that ... until you came along.

So you're a Black MAGA supporter? You're the first one I've ever met. Post a pic of you wearing that MAGA hat. Have you met Trump or have gone to a Trump rally? Maybe an autograph picture of Trump and Colby? (j/k)

This is embarrassing is that how you act when you don’t agree with someone, I could careless about trump. If you don’t know by know why Colby acts like that than don’t talk but than agin you think he’s racist probably when he’s never sad **** close to it. He uses trump for money genius he’s basically doing the Floyd Mayweather like him or hate him you’re paying to tune it. No need for me to even go farther cause I can tell how you are with that foolish MAGA nonsense response

[Jkam31]

https://youtu.be/JRzHbbca2AY

https://youtu.be/VlqlzugZqPY

Nobody called him Marty smh clown talk

[HighRyzer83]

Are you MAGA?

Haha why cause I like Colby smh
I’m an African American male

If you’d look into Marty’s past you’d know how fake he is and why people call him Marty

Yeah! Only Colby fans call Usman "Marty whatever." No one here calls him that ... until you came along.

So you're a Black MAGA supporter? You're the first one I've ever met. Post a pic of you wearing that MAGA hat. Have you met Trump or have gone to a Trump rally? Maybe an autograph picture of Trump and Colby? (j/k)

Nah it's common among MMA forums. In fact the majority of mma fans and fighters (masvidal,Lewis,cobly,etc) like trump and trash the left. I completely avoid politics threads on sherdog, the conservatives are like piranhas lol. anyway, Marty is his thing going back to his wrestling days.

[HarthorneWingo]

Haha why cause I like Colby smh
I’m an African American male

If you’d look into Marty’s past you’d know how fake he is and why people call him Marty

Yeah! Only Colby fans call Usman "Marty whatever." No one here calls him that ... until you came along.

So you're a Black MAGA supporter? You're the first one I've ever met. Post a pic of you wearing that MAGA hat. Have you met Trump or have gone to a Trump rally? Maybe an autograph picture of Trump and Colby? (j/k)

Nah it's common among MMA forums. In fact the majority of mma fans and fighters (masvidal,Lewis,cobly,etc) like trump and trash the left. I completely avoid politics threads on sherdog, the conservatives are like piranhas lol. anyway, Marty is his thing going back to his wrestling days.

Oh wow. Didn’t know all that. But Usman is a beast in the octagon so I don’t know about him being “fake” in that way. Maybe his personality or interview skills are. I really haven’t listened to much of anything these fighters have to say unless it’s one of the smarter ones like DC, DCruz, Bisping. Masvidal is fun to listen to because he’s such a badass. I know he likes Trump but I think that’s because of that Cuba stuff.

Colby is the one with the truly fake persona from what I’ve learned. I don’t think he should be the one calling anyone else fake.

[Jkam31]

Yeah! Only Colby fans call Usman "Marty whatever." No one here calls him that ... until you came along.

So you're a Black MAGA supporter? You're the first one I've ever met. Post a pic of you wearing that MAGA hat. Have you met Trump or have gone to a Trump rally? Maybe an autograph picture of Trump and Colby? (j/k)

Nah it's common among MMA forums. In fact the majority of mma fans and fighters (masvidal,Lewis,cobly,etc) like trump and trash the left. I completely avoid politics threads on sherdog, the conservatives are like piranhas lol. anyway, Marty is his thing going back to his wrestling days.

Oh wow. Didn’t know all that. But Usman is a beast in the octagon so I don’t know about him being “fake” in that way. Maybe his personality or interview skills are. I really haven’t listened to much of anything these fighters have to say unless it’s one of the smarter ones like DC, DCruz, Bisping. Masvidal is fun to listen to because he’s such a badass. I know he likes Trump but I think that’s because of that Cuba stuff.

Colby is the one with the truly fake persona from what I’ve learned. I don’t think he should be the one calling anyone else fake.

It’s Marty’s persona yes he’s good but he’s fake Colby picked up the Trump personal cause even though he was the 5th ranked fighter he was gonna be released. He decided to go nuclear and it worked hate or love people will tune in, the Floyd way and it worked out for Colby.

[j4remi]

Nah it's common among MMA forums. In fact the majority of mma fans and fighters (masvidal,Lewis,cobly,etc) like trump and trash the left. I completely avoid politics threads on sherdog, the conservatives are like piranhas lol. anyway, Marty is his thing going back to his wrestling days.

Oh wow. Didn’t know all that. But Usman is a beast in the octagon so I don’t know about him being “fake” in that way. Maybe his personality or interview skills are. I really haven’t listened to much of anything these fighters have to say unless it’s one of the smarter ones like DC, DCruz, Bisping. Masvidal is fun to listen to because he’s such a badass. I know he likes Trump but I think that’s because of that Cuba stuff.

Colby is the one with the truly fake persona from what I’ve learned. I don’t think he should be the one calling anyone else fake.

Yeah, to expand on the Marty thing, I think it's just a big thing with wrestling heads in general because it comes from Usman's wrestling days. If I'm not mistaken, Ben Askren is the one who made that nickname stick in MMA circles, "Marty from Nebraska" was coined by him rather than Colby if I'm not mistaken.

My favorite fighters to listen to are the cerebral cats. I rate Masvidal in that batch and recent O'Malley interviews fit that a lot too. The guys that are reading their opponents outside of the octagon as well as in it are the ones I get the biggest kick out of. I like analytical guys like DC, Cruz and Bisping too though. Dan Hardy is another one in that boat, if you haven't seen his breakdowns, I think they're a joy to watch.

[j4remi]

The Main Card is official fam, everyone made weight! Since I've got the detailed breakdowns in the extended podcast with FTESWL, I thought I'd take a minute to cover the parts of I didn't with some undercard names that you may not have heard of but who will probably be a lot of fun to watch.

Went deep on the main card here: https://anchor.fm/FTESWL/episodes/UFC-251-Podcast-Preview-egfvsv

Who to look out for on the undercards:
Leo Santos: Let's start with accolades. ADCC bronze medal, World Jiu Jitsu Bronze and silver medals in back to back years. Hasn't lost a fight since 2009, been in the UFC since 2013. He's TKO'ed Kevin Lee and submitted Tony Rocco Martin. 6-0-1 in the UFC with a draw to Norman Parke being the closest thing to a blemish. Also, at ADCC he tapped out a prime GSP with a not quite flying armbar and he did that in about 1 minute flat:

Spoiler:

This was the moment that I began watching ADCC's and really opened up to the competitive BJJ world, no joke.

Watch on YouTube

So how come you don't know him? He's had 1 fight since 2016 and averages 1 fight per year since joining the UFC. It like if Khabib never got past the injury bug. That's kept him from ever climbing the ladder to see where he stands among the better guys. His opponent is 10-0 Roman Bogatov, a fighter I'm not familiar with.

Jiri Prochazka: One thing the UFC has always been good about is smiting champions from other leagues by throwing them to the absolute wolves. It's an opportunity if you're Alvarez or Gaethje and a nightmare if you're say...Will Brooks. Enter Rizin LHW champ Jiri Prochazka; a man who last tasted defeat in 2015 against a near prime King Mo. He would avenge that one lost. His resume basically shows a guy who has beaten the best LHW's that aren't locked in to Bellator and the UFC. He's beaten Jake Heun, King Mo, C.B. Dollaway and Fabio Maldonado; those are all former UFC fighters who stuck around a while.

Want more? In the 10 wins since his last loss, Jiri has 9 knock outs. In the 11 fights prior to that he had 10 wins by finish and 1 draw (8 KO's and 2 submissions for the dubs). In 30 fights Prochazka has seen the scorecards twice...it's kill or be killed. He's getting the champ treatment too, he'll face Volkan Oezdemir. Oezdemir is the guy who most people got robbed by Dominick Reyes the way many think Reyes got robbed by Jon Jones. Oezdemir is among the most well rounded bigs in MMA point blank, he's super athletic and without any glaring weaknesses. This fight could be a show stealer and the winner ought to get immediate high rank competition.

Here's 5 mins of Jiri mostly just mauling people, but there's a nice clip of him in adversity mixed in:

Spoiler:

Watch how often Jiri's striking literally moves the fighter's entire body from force.

Watch on YouTube

Elizeu Zaleski dos Santos: Zaleski dos Santos starts from a Capoeira base and treats every fight like he's Liam Neeson and the other guy kidnapped his family. Dude is 8-2 in the UFC and one of those was his debut in 2015. He's beaten a lot of high caliber unranked opponents (Curtis Millender, Sean Strickland, Omari Akhmedov, Max Griffin, Lyman Good). But the record, great as it is, isn't the main reason I list him. Zaleski dos Santos is a buzz saw and he finishes dudes with everything. I've seen him close on spinning heel kicks, flying knees, body shots and submissions (BJJ Black Belt with the same pace on the ground as standing). Here are some examples:

Spoiler:

Capoeira dudes explode across distance like nobody else...

Watch on YouTube

But that's not all: Here's where things get even more interesting. His opponent, Muslim Salikhov has a nickname that should clue you in to my excitement...King of Kung Fu. He's one of only 2 non-Chinese competitors to ever win a Wushu World championship. He has 200 kickboxing fights and 12 KO's in 18 mma fights (only 2 decisions). Salikhov had arguably the knockout of the year once a while a back and he did it to well known former UFC lightweight, Melvin Guillard...

Spoiler:

This might be my future avatar

So yeah...the undercard is absolute fire. I haven't even mentioned that former top 15 Marcin Tybura is on the early prelims or how Makwan Amirkhani is REALLY talented (mainly because he gasses out and loses fights). The UFC has this stacked PPV, so they've put up some really entertaining prospects for the prelims but the backfire here is that no one's talking about these guys.