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minimus wrote:
Very interesting..
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Rookie-Mistake wrote:minimus wrote:
Very interesting..
Hayes is 3rd on the Tankathon Big Board, but they say he has a big problem with Fouls and TOs.
Winston is 47th with far more minuses to his skill set than plusses.
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I just noticed that Okongwu is almost 3 years younger than Toppin. Based on that we'd have to be idiots to take Toppin over Okongwu.
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Rookie-Mistake wrote:minimus wrote:
Very interesting..
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They’re obviously just doing their due diligence, but it’s intriguing that Minnesota have now conducted interviews with Hayes and Winston.
Extremely PG-heavy class might spell the end (or 3rd string role) for McLaughlin.
If they want to say something on twitter, say something useful. Don't troll us or a fantastic player just because he was never drafted. Wolves Gleague entry McLaughlin has already displayed more high level qualities on an NBA court then most of these picks of this draft will ever in thier careers if they have one. To not further develop that from the backup PG role on the cheap with as many minutes you can would be a disgrace to the game and to the claim that you plan to develop the best that you can get your hands on.
I don't care if they want to draft another guard. But that drafted punk has to earn his way above someone like Mclaughlin with play on the court that we can see. Because I've already seen JMac's numbers. I've already seen games like this and there is no hiding it. You pay it, and you cherish the opportunity to do so. Or, else you continue to be failures. These are the players that build out real teams if you can't just buy them.
This isn't a player you turn your nose up to. Not if you want to claim you are a professional team or a sports mind people should be reading thoughts from. This isn't a player a real sports mind would stiff with lousy jokes on twitter.
That's right at 1:48 that is JMac blowing by 32miil Leonard like he's standing still to sink his second dunk.
JMac's drives to the net are so deadly this game and such a sure thing that when he decides not to the Clippers are so hesitant to leave him a lane open that he has at least two Wolves players wide open for 3s to easily drop it to.
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Agree. I have no problem with them drafting a PG, especially in the second round, but he needs to beat out JMac legit to get backup PG. JMac earned his time.
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My preference is we're able to resign JMac to one of those 1+3 type of deals (relatively inexpensive) and draft a PG somewhere along the way....rook can earn whatever they get & if JMac becomes our 3rd pg that's a great problem to have.....in today's game you can't probably have enough pg's on the roster....take okc this year, they were fine with 3 rotation worthy PG's....i feel your thinking too traditional if you automatically assume it would be a death sentence for JMac if he sat 3 on the depth chart....you already know Dlo has some position flexibility....if rook PG did as well all the better but not absolute 2 of 3 okc PG's are relatively small?Norseman79 wrote:Agree. I have no problem with them drafting a PG, especially in the second round, but he needs to beat out JMac legit to get backup PG. JMac earned his time.
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old school 34 wrote:My preference is we're able to resign JMac to one of those 1+3 type of deals (relatively inexpensive) and draft a PG somewhere along the way....rook can earn whatever they get & if JMac becomes our 3rd pg that's a great problem to have.....in today's game you can't probably have enough pg's on the roster....take okc this year, they were fine with 3 rotation worthy PG's....i feel your thinking too traditional if you automatically assume it would be a death sentence for JMac if he sat 3 on the depth chart....you already know Dlo has some position flexibility....if rook PG did as well all the better but not absolute 2 of 3 okc PG's are relatively small?Norseman79 wrote:Agree. I have no problem with them drafting a PG, especially in the second round, but he needs to beat out JMac legit to get backup PG. JMac earned his time.
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Likelihood of finding a rookie PG that is ready to rock year one? Take one look at this teams history of drafting.
But, JMac comes straight of the the Gleague and played way beyond his years.
Everybody would be gaga over what he has shown already if it was identical to what we saw play out this year, only he had been a high frp draft pick. Instead he's an undrafted that so many of you want to see pushed aside.
See the following points after I tell you how much DLO avoids the drives all the way to the net, or how prospects like Killian Hayes and Tyrese Maxey also avoid it and settle too often instead for floaters. Which are fine if they can sink them but without that ability to finish at the net getting opponents to fully commit to defending inside makes it harder to open up players outside. Funny thing is most claim it's because these players don't have the body size to want to bang up inside. Yet, little JMac has no issue with doing so and not only charges into it, but finishes through contact.
Quick facts about JMac's first year in NBA coming aboard as a two way contract scrub:
https://www.rotowire.com/basketball/article.php?id=50231
a> Jordan McLaughlin is in the 96th percentile for point guards in points per 100 shot attempts (124.2).
b> Mclaughlin takes 52% of his shots at the rim, which is in the 98th percentile for point guards.
c> Per 36 minutes, Jordan McLaughlin averages 14.0 points, 7.6 assists (just 1.9 turnovers), 3.0 rebounds and 2.1 steals.
d> When fouled on a shot, Jordan McLaughlin converts it 43.8% of the time [regardless], ranking in the 93rd percentile for point guards.
https://dunkingwithwolves.com/2020/05/04/minnesota-timberwolves-grading-jordan-mclaughlins-2019-20-season/
e> the Minnesota Timberwolves had their most impressive offensive performance of the season in a 142-115 demolition of the Los Angeles Clippers. ...leading the charge was Jordan McLaughlin, a 5-foot-11 point guard who in his first ever NBA start poured in 24 points on only 15 shots, had 11 assists, four rebounds, and zero turnovers. !!
f> After missing 7 of his first 8 NBA 3pt shots and being sent back to Gleague, JMac came back to finish the season with a 38.2% 3pt avg overall.
g> You should do some research for yourself on what percentile he ranks for Point Guards in the NBA on numerous other categories. You might be surprised. This is his first NBA playing season.
How is it remotely okay to ingore such things and bury him at 3rd PG? Some people wanted Tyus Jones to get more starts at one time. Only that guy never ever had shown anything like what Mclaughlin already has.
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I don't think Winston can but Hayes definitely can play in two PG lineups. He is long, has frame and cares about defense.
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Hayes is still my guy in this draft I think. I can envision Russell, Beasley, McLaughlin & Haynes as our four guards, with lots of two PG lineups.
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I think Winston would be the 3rd PG, not JMac.
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I really think we should try keeping this Brooklyn pick or try to trade up to get one Vassell, Nesmith, Bey, Green(ranked in that order).
Hopefully the lottery plays out in an advantageous way for the Wolves and they can trade back and still grab a high quality player like Hayes or Avdija and then get an extra asset to use in a trade for a win now player like Aaron Gordon. Atlanta seems to be in a position to really covet Anthony Edwards. New York and Detroit could use either Ball or Edwards. That could be a good way to improve in this years draft.
Hopefully the lottery plays out in an advantageous way for the Wolves and they can trade back and still grab a high quality player like Hayes or Avdija and then get an extra asset to use in a trade for a win now player like Aaron Gordon. Atlanta seems to be in a position to really covet Anthony Edwards. New York and Detroit could use either Ball or Edwards. That could be a good way to improve in this years draft.
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With roster size limitations, I think it's very possible that whoever we take in the second round will spend some time in the G League. There are ways around it, but I do think McLaughlin will be higher in the pecking order than a second round PG...at least when camp opens.
NBA roster size is limited to 15 standard NBA contracts plus two two-way contracts for players to go between the NBA and G League. While we'll likely be picking high enough to where our second round pick won't accept a two-way contract, there are still other roster constraints to consider. The only unrestricted free agent on the roster currently is Evan Turner. That means we could open 2020-21 with as many as 14 players under standard NBA contracts who finished 2019-20 on the roster.
It's easy to say they'll just get rid of players like Evans or Spellman, but they are still young players on very cheap contracts, and it could be foolish to cut bait. It's easy to say they'll move Nowell or Vanderbilt, but many people see bright futures for these two young players on very cheap contracts, and they both seem like they could be good system fits. It's easy to say they'll use Johnson, Beasley or Hernangomez as trade bait rather than to pay them new contracts, but the staff really seems to like them all and I'm not sure they'd let the three go cheaply.
That right there is half of the players on the roster who are under some sort of team/player contract control. That could mean it's easy to make room for a second or third drafted player....if they like the prospect more than the one who's already been in the system.
NBA roster size is limited to 15 standard NBA contracts plus two two-way contracts for players to go between the NBA and G League. While we'll likely be picking high enough to where our second round pick won't accept a two-way contract, there are still other roster constraints to consider. The only unrestricted free agent on the roster currently is Evan Turner. That means we could open 2020-21 with as many as 14 players under standard NBA contracts who finished 2019-20 on the roster.
It's easy to say they'll just get rid of players like Evans or Spellman, but they are still young players on very cheap contracts, and it could be foolish to cut bait. It's easy to say they'll move Nowell or Vanderbilt, but many people see bright futures for these two young players on very cheap contracts, and they both seem like they could be good system fits. It's easy to say they'll use Johnson, Beasley or Hernangomez as trade bait rather than to pay them new contracts, but the staff really seems to like them all and I'm not sure they'd let the three go cheaply.
That right there is half of the players on the roster who are under some sort of team/player contract control. That could mean it's easy to make room for a second or third drafted player....if they like the prospect more than the one who's already been in the system.
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A few people have mentioned the thought of upgrading Naz Reid, or even just reinforcing the position with another player to develop.
Timberwolves fans have spent a lot of time monitoring a Frenchman named Killian at the top of the draft boards, but there’s another Frenchman named Killian who will likely go in the second round or even undrafted who could be a great fit for Minnesota at the center position. I’m talking about Killian Tillie.
I don’t know why more fans haven’t looked at him as an option before. Maybe it’s because he’s a senior four-year player at Gonzaga. Maybe it’s because he’s dealt with a number of injuries over the past two seasons. Maybe it’s because he’s never put up great rebounding numbers. Maybe because I’m not sure draft analysts know what NBA position to project him at. But at Gonzaga, he proved he was a capable scorer on the low post, a very good to elite 3-point shooter (every year over 40.0% with a career average of 44.4%) with quick shot mechanics, a solid shot blocker (averaged roughly 0.9 blocks per game over last three seasons) and a pretty good passer (over 1.5 assists per game in each of last three seasons). And maybe not noteworthy to some, but he comes from pretty strong athletic lineage as his parents and brother were all former professional volleyball players while another brother played college basketball at Utah and professionally in Europe for a decade.
You can see his versatility on display here at the 2017 U19s...
Or even a couple of years earlier in a U18 3-on-3 setting...
Timberwolves fans have spent a lot of time monitoring a Frenchman named Killian at the top of the draft boards, but there’s another Frenchman named Killian who will likely go in the second round or even undrafted who could be a great fit for Minnesota at the center position. I’m talking about Killian Tillie.
I don’t know why more fans haven’t looked at him as an option before. Maybe it’s because he’s a senior four-year player at Gonzaga. Maybe it’s because he’s dealt with a number of injuries over the past two seasons. Maybe it’s because he’s never put up great rebounding numbers. Maybe because I’m not sure draft analysts know what NBA position to project him at. But at Gonzaga, he proved he was a capable scorer on the low post, a very good to elite 3-point shooter (every year over 40.0% with a career average of 44.4%) with quick shot mechanics, a solid shot blocker (averaged roughly 0.9 blocks per game over last three seasons) and a pretty good passer (over 1.5 assists per game in each of last three seasons). And maybe not noteworthy to some, but he comes from pretty strong athletic lineage as his parents and brother were all former professional volleyball players while another brother played college basketball at Utah and professionally in Europe for a decade.
You can see his versatility on display here at the 2017 U19s...
Or even a couple of years earlier in a U18 3-on-3 setting...
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Klomp wrote:With roster size limitations, I think it's very possible that whoever we take in the second round will spend some time in the G League. There are ways around it, but I do think McLaughlin will be higher in the pecking order than a second round PG...at least when camp opens.
NBA roster size is limited to 15 standard NBA contracts plus two two-way contracts for players to go between the NBA and G League. While we'll likely be picking high enough to where our second round pick won't accept a two-way contract, there are still other roster constraints to consider. The only unrestricted free agent on the roster currently is Evan Turner. That means we could open 2020-21 with as many as 14 players under standard NBA contracts who finished 2019-20 on the roster.
It's easy to say they'll just get rid of players like Evans or Spellman, but they are still young players on very cheap contracts, and it could be foolish to cut bait. It's easy to say they'll move Nowell or Vanderbilt, but many people see bright futures for these two young players on very cheap contracts, and they both seem like they could be good system fits. It's easy to say they'll use Johnson, Beasley or Hernangomez as trade bait rather than to pay them new contracts, but the staff really seems to like them all and I'm not sure they'd let the three go cheaply.
That right there is half of the players on the roster who are under some sort of team/player contract control. That could mean it's easy to make room for a second or third drafted player....if they like the prospect more than the one who's already been in the system.
DLo/JMac
Beasley/Culver/Nowell
Okogie/Layman/Evans
Juancho/Johnson/Vanderbilt
Towns/Reid/Spellman
That is 14 players if they intend on resigning Beasley and Juancho.
Now add in: Wolves 1st rounder, potentially Nets pick, Wolves 2nd Rounder. Or any free agents they might try and pursue.
So, there are moves that need to be made even if the Nets pick doesn't convey. I doubt they value guys like Spellman and Evans as much as those picks. Spellman couldn't get minutes even with KAT's injury and Naz having foul issues. Evans is bad. If he can't be traded he will likely be bought out if they need space. Vanderbilt and Nowell at least saw time on the court so I could see them being the end of the bench guys who spend most of the season down in the G League.
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I think I am okay wih Edwards. Even if he has Wiggins tendencies. He might have the highest value (if the wolves move up in the draft) and if he has a ROY season like wiggins he could be a main piece in a trade for Booker IMO
One of the problems with wiggins was the wolves hung on to him too long and traded him when his contract was a problem. Thibs (and taylor) should have unloaded him in the Butler trade.
One of the problems with wiggins was the wolves hung on to him too long and traded him when his contract was a problem. Thibs (and taylor) should have unloaded him in the Butler trade.
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tsherkin wrote:The important thing to take away here is that Klomp is wrong.
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Jedzz wrote:fake account they say
Good to know
tsherkin wrote:The important thing to take away here is that Klomp is wrong.
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