Coronavirus/COVID-19, Thread 2

[jirrit]

End of march I was posting here all you should do is social distance yourself completely and lock yourself up. I heard many noises it was all about getting tests etc, some people making this political etc. Now see what the situation is like and isnt that kinda exactly what I 'predicted'? I'm not trying to be the smart guy here but... sigh.

[Slax]

End of march I was posting here all you should do is social distance yourself completely and lock yourself up. I heard many noises it was all about getting tests etc, some people making this political etc. Now see what the situation is like and isnt that kinda exactly what I 'predicted'? I'm not trying to be the smart guy here but... sigh.

I'm not sure what you mean? It was a near consensus view on this forum that lockdowns were necessary in March, and I was and still am pro lockdown for places that have outbreaks. But testing is critical. You need testing to even figure out where the outbreaks are emerging before they get out of control like New York did in March and April (by the time we got the hospitalization surge, locking down was too late because prevalence of infection was so high!), and for places that can reduce cases to a more manageable level, testing is also critical for effective quarantine and contact tracing in order to suppress outbreaks large enough to go into lockdowns in the first place. "Lock everything down for a while while we get things under control and work out how we're going to handle this going forward" was reasonable to say in March, but "have everyone shut themselves in their homes for two years while waiting for a vaccine to be widely deployed" isn't a serious strategy that people will tolerate. So we still need wide scale testing and contact tracing. We also need a real quarantine strategy for helping prevent spread through families, nursing homes, etc.

[jirrit]

Offcourse not but here we were locked up and it stopped spreading eventually. I know why you would want to test all around but as long as you dont social distance yourself it doesnt make any sense. Y'all wanna walk before you can crawl IMO.

[claycarver]

In late April, Georgia was the state at issue regarding re-opening. Headlines read "Georgia’s Experiment in Human Sacrifice" and "Georgia leads the race to become America’s No. 1 Death Destination". At the time, the country was averaging over 2000 deaths a day and Georgia was averaging 35 deaths a day. Now the country is averaging about 600-700 deaths a day and Georgia is averaging about 15 deaths a day. Since deaths started dropping, the conversation turned to total cases. And while those have exploded, the average of of the infected has dropped dramatically which seems to have had a massive dampening effect on the death toll.

But here's the most important thing to keep in mind. Social distancing was never going to be a long term solution. As the weather got warmer, anyone who thought that social distancing guidelines were going to be observed simply doesn't understand people. Or they don't understand Americans. This isn't a judgement against anyone, it's simply an observation from someone who lives in the real world.

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[jirrit]

In late April, Georgia was the state at issue regarding re-opening. Headlines read "Georgia’s Experiment in Human Sacrifice" and "Georgia leads the race to become America’s No. 1 Death Destination". At the time, the country was averaging over 2000 deaths a day and Georgia was averaging 35 deaths a day. Now the country is averaging about 600-700 deaths a day and Georgia is averaging about 15 deaths a day. Since deaths started dropping, the conversation turned to total cases. And while those have exploded, the average of of the infected has dropped dramatically which seems to have had a massive dampening effect on the death toll.

But here's the most important thing to keep in mind. Social distancing was never going to be a long term solution. As the weather got warmer, anyone who thought that social distancing guidelines were going to be observed simply don't understand people. Or they don't understand Americans. This isn't a judgement against anyone, it's simply an observation from someone who lives in the real world.

It's all about people's behaviour. If you or someone close to you were touched by Covid in the past months you would easily social distance and avoid possible situations where the virus could thrive. All I'm saying is that testing doesnt matter one thing to our behaviour. What has it helped to know that there are big concentrations of Covid in the x or y area? Have people behaved appropriately knowing there are 1000's of cases a day in state x or 1000's of cases a day in state y? Nope. You could have tested every single person 75% of the tested non-covid cases would just behave like they would behave pre-corona. And that's just where it's all about. Even if you dont have it, you gotta act like you or your neighbour has it, otherwise it will keep spreading.

[claycarver]

It's all about people's behaviour. If you or someone close to you were touched by Covid in the past months you would easily social distance and avoid possible situations where the virus could thrive. All I'm saying is that testing doesnt matter one thing to our behaviour. What has it helped to know that there are big concentrations of Covid in the x or y area? Have people behaved appropriately knowing there are 1000's of cases a day in state x or 1000's of cases a day in state y? Nope. You could have tested every single person 75% of the tested non-covid cases would just behave like they would behave pre-corona. And that's just where it's all about. Even if you dont have it, you gotta act like you or your neighbour has it, otherwise it will keep spreading.

I guesss it depends on what you mean by touched. I have a great uncle who died from it but he was holding on for his life already. I also have a good friend infected but she barely had the sniffles. This thing is so strange how it affects people. I actually think people are just as likely to more dismissive of it if the experience isn't dramatic. Really, the only truly frustrating experience I've had is that no one could see my uncle because he was isolated.

I understand what you're saying though. Despite experience, the reasonable course of action is to be prudent. But you can point to any number of indicators--retirement savings, relationships, credit debt, etc--to realize that prudence isn't core value of our culture.

I have almost no idea how this virus works so I made no prediction about how that would go, but I understand people a little bit. When summer hit, the masks were coming off and the social distancing thing was going to come crashing down, no question about it.

[GoGreen]

There are a bunch of players who have tested positive and will still play anyway. Am i missing something? Why is this being allowed? And why isn't there more attention being paid to this? Does it not defeat the purpose of the "bubble"?

[ConstableGeneva]

There are a bunch of players who have tested positive and will still play anyway. Am i missing something? Why is this being allowed? And why isn't there more attention being paid to this? Does it not defeat the purpose of the "bubble"?

A player who's tested positive for covid can't enter the "bubble" until after two consecutive negative test results. And they still have to quarantine once inside the bubble, I think. Players and staff are tested daily once there IINM. AFAIK, no one has tested positive inside the bubble yet.

[GoGreen]

There are a bunch of players who have tested positive and will still play anyway. Am i missing something? Why is this being allowed? And why isn't there more attention being paid to this? Does it not defeat the purpose of the "bubble"?

A player who's tested positive for covid can't enter the "bubble" until after two consecutive negative test results. And they still have to quarantine once inside the bubble, I think. Players and staff are tested daily once there IINM. AFAIK, no one has tested positive inside the bubble yet.

Ahh, good to know

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[SuperDeluxe]

Some positive news: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/07/14/need-some-good-news-about-covid-19-here-are-six-reasons-optimism/

[threrf23]

Some positive news: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/07/14/need-some-good-news-about-covid-19-here-are-six-reasons-optimism/

This is a big claim — and I should caution that it is not fully resolved — but several studies are now showing that 20 to 50 percent of people who had never been exposed to the novel coronavirus have immune cells — known as memory T cells — in their body that react to this new virus.

This would potentially explain why 20-50% of those infected don't experience symptoms? This was a reasonable hypothesis for awhile IMO.

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That is complete and utter bull.

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So how can they be sure that a player "recovered" from covid is no longer contagious?

They cannot with absolute 100% certainty.

According to this study published in Lancet Infectious Disease, after approximately 2 weeks, 3% may become + for virus again (2/3 asymptomatic & 1/3 with symptoms) & therefore potentially infectious again.

And these patients + for virus again may ALSO simultaneously have IgG & IgM antibodies.
Therefore, the presence of antibodies (the NBA’s ‘remedy’) does not exclude potential infectivity.

**** cluster **** of a disease.

https://www.mdlinx.com/news/covid-19-patients-may-retest-positive-after-recovery-with-no-symptoms/2dAH8qDKStiOkliPeG17w6?publish_dt=07-15-2020&utm_source=alert&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=ajm_50129

[Bad-Thoma]

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Jesus Titty **** Christ. I had more, but it was a political rant so I deleted it.

[ConstableGeneva]

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Jesus Titty **** Christ. I had more, but it was a political rant so I deleted it.

This has been political from the sitting "leadership's" POV from the start. This thread's rule on posting doesn't change that.

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Next hurdle: Anti-vaxxers?