2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 6) -LOTTO 8/20 DRAFT 10/16!

[mpharris36]

Mpharris keeps sleeping on this dude in the polls

Folks are sleeping on him in general

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Why are there no votes for other

[god shammgod]

most likely we're gonna end up with cole which is great because everybody hates him lol

[mpharris36]

most likely we're gonna end up with cole which is great because everybody hates him lol

you just love to see the world burn don't you?

[malik959]

Yea LaMelo isn’t a terrible prospect. He’s pretty talented. But the dude has to make unprecedented history cause no one ever shot as poorly as him and ended up being a star. And then his defense is poor. I think he’ll be decent but won’t live up to the hype and prob won’t be an all star.

Wiseman just seems like the safer player with a higher upside.

Why are you guys still arguing about players we’re never even going to sniff?

It’s because we never learn.

We love to set ourselves up for failure and than we blame the organization for it.

[robillionaire]

Yea LaMelo isn’t a terrible prospect. He’s pretty talented. But the dude has to make unprecedented history cause no one ever shot as poorly as him and ended up being a star. And then his defense is poor. I think he’ll be decent but won’t live up to the hype and prob won’t be an all star.

Wiseman just seems like the safer player with a higher upside.

Why are you guys still arguing about players we’re never even going to sniff?

It's like everyone wants to forget that for the last 35 years, the Knicks have had, and will continue to have, the worst luck in the lottery. Always picking just outside the top tier players.

Past performance is no guarantee of future results, it's a new day never a better time to break the curse

[3toheadmelo]

I actually like LaMelo but am still in the process of trying to convert myself to liking him over Wiseman, basically trying to understand and follow the herd. Am failing miserably in this but am trying.

Hoping to achieve this by just watching LaMelo’s highlights and avoiding the weakness videos and the rest. He looks amazing but if there is one thing that bothers me is that I think there are limitations to his athleticism which will make things hard for him to be an efficient scorer at the NBA level. His double clutch layups that he is doing will be easily blocked by better players. Also I think him having trouble against RJ Hampton may be a sign of things to come when he has to contend with the more athletic guards in the league.

I actually like Lavar as I have followed the family closely but if there is one thing about him to watch out for is that he is very cerebral and can run circles around most people. His moves are calculated and there is a reason LaMelo played in the league he played in. It is one that can highlight his strengths but at the same time also mask his weaknesses.

Lavar and his family is also one that have been very lucky as seen in how the ping pong balls bounced in favor of Lonzo landing in his hometown Lakers while Magic was basically pulled into drafting him and basically anointing him as the next great Laker who would shatter his records.

I think luck can land LaMelo into his desired team. Let’s just hope in this situation it works out for everyone.

Yea LaMelo isn’t a terrible prospect. He’s pretty talented. But the dude has to make unprecedented history cause no one ever shot as poorly as him and ended up being a star. And then his defense is poor. I think he’ll be decent but won’t live up to the hype and prob won’t be an all star.

Wiseman just seems like the safer player with a higher upside.

Wiseman and LaMelo both have translatable skills to the NBA, the former obviously being rebounding and defense while the latter being playmaking. We already have Mitch so while I do not agree I understand the lack of interest for Wiseman. I also sympathize on the Ja Morant envy, but it is what it is.

I think the argument should also boil down on these prospects’ ability to score at the NBA level and which one can do so at an efficient and effective level. For Wiseman I already see an unblockable go-to move and I think he has already those counters in place. LaMelo I am not sure but his shooting percentages are worrisome.

Ultimately I want to see us win a championship. For me it is still a matter of having your opponents score less than you. Am more comfortable with Wiseman’s contribution on defense than LaMelo.

One thing I like about Wiseman is his awareness on his weaknesses and we have seen him work on these and address these. Fixing one’s motor issues is easier said than done, and seeing him address this is a testament to his work ethic and desire to improve.

LaMelo has his merits. Lavar seems to be toughest on him amongst the siblings and this still hasn’t deterred his confidence. I still haven’t brought myself though to the comfort level on him that I have in Wiseman. Him being able to show more commitment on defense will be a step in the right direction.

I won’t ever be able to have LaMelo on the same comfort level as Wiseman. He just has too much flaws in his game. If LaMelo does somehow end up as a Knick, hopefully he reaches his ceiling. But he has a loong way to go

[thebuzzardman]

most likely we're gonna end up with cole which is great because everybody hates him lol

With Thibs as coach!

[HEZI]

Mpharris keeps sleeping on this dude in the polls

Folks are sleeping on him in general

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Why are there no votes for other

Laziness

Honestly at this point in the draft it's basically the entire field and we can debate prospects from 12 or whatever all the way into the 60s.

[newyorker4ever]

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Awesome highlights.

This is what I watch to convince myself on LaMelo as the #1 guy while ignoring what his weaknesses are, what his shooting percentages are, what the quality of competition was and how down his team was versus the opponents.

He probably missed the layup after all that which is why the clip was cut off before showing how the play finished.

[HarthorneWingo]

Why are you guys still arguing about players we’re never even going to sniff?

It's like everyone wants to forget that for the last 35 years, the Knicks have had, and will continue to have, the worst luck in the lottery. Always picking just outside the top tier players.

Past performance is no guarantee of future results, it's a new day never a better time to break the curse

Oh sure, how old are you? 30? 40?

Try your strategy when you’re 62 my friend.

[HarthorneWingo]

Watch on YouTube

Awesome highlights.

This is what I watch to convince myself on LaMelo as the #1 guy while ignoring what his weaknesses are, what his shooting percentages are, what the quality of competition was and how down his team was versus the opponents.

He probably missed the layup after all that which is why the clip was cut off before showing how the play finished.

That looks like the guy up my block guarding him.

I prefer the clip of him trying to get past orange headed Ralph Malph by zigzagging for 5 seconds but couldn’t shake him.

[newyorker4ever]

Knicks fans after every lottery draft night

[robillionaire]

It's like everyone wants to forget that for the last 35 years, the Knicks have had, and will continue to have, the worst luck in the lottery. Always picking just outside the top tier players.

Past performance is no guarantee of future results, it's a new day never a better time to break the curse

Oh sure, how old are you? 30? 40?

Try your strategy when you’re 62 my friend.

you saw 2 championships I don't want to hear it from you

[robillionaire]

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Awesome highlights.

This is what I watch to convince myself on LaMelo as the #1 guy while ignoring what his weaknesses are, what his shooting percentages are, what the quality of competition was and how down his team was versus the opponents.

He probably missed the layup after all that which is why the clip was cut off before showing how the play finished.

what actually happened was that he made a good pass to a guy who missed a wide open dunk costing him an assist which was a theme with that team

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[newyorker4ever]

Deni Deni Deni Deni Deni

The knicks odds of selecting anything other than a point guard with their top pick is equal to their chances of getting the #1 pick

but i do like deni if they did decide to draft another position

okoro is the guy I kinda want if all else fails

Yeah i'm not so sure that it's PG or nothing for the Knicks with our lottery pick but i do think that they want a PG and will be looking hard to get one in the lottery and if they don't then they might take 2 PG's with the Clippers and Charlotte picks or find a way to trade back up to get one in the middle of the 1st round.

I also like Okoro and don't think he gets enough love from Knicks fans but L.Rose has said that getting a forward that can shoot is high on his list so i don't count out Okoro or Deni or Toppin or any other forward they like from being our lottery pick. If we're picking somewhere between 6-10 and the PG we like isn't there i could see us trying to trade down a little and a wing or PF. I know PG has gotta be what they want more than any other position but i just don't think they'll pass up on other talent at other positions if that's the BPA at that point.

[newyorker4ever]

Awesome highlights.

This is what I watch to convince myself on LaMelo as the #1 guy while ignoring what his weaknesses are, what his shooting percentages are, what the quality of competition was and how down his team was versus the opponents.

He probably missed the layup after all that which is why the clip was cut off before showing how the play finished.

That looks like the guy up my block guarding him.

I prefer the clip of him trying to get past orange headed Ralph Malph by zigzagging for 5 seconds but couldn’t shake him.

Ralph Malph, Hahahaha, You do realize that 90% of this board have no idea who that is right?

[robillionaire]

The knicks odds of selecting anything other than a point guard with their top pick is equal to their chances of getting the #1 pick

but i do like deni if they did decide to draft another position

okoro is the guy I kinda want if all else fails

Yeah i'm not so sure that it's PG or nothing for the Knicks with our lottery pick but i do think that they want a PG and will be looking hard to get one in the lottery and if they don't then they might take 2 PG's with the Clippers and Charlotte picks or find a way to trade back up to get one in the middle of the 1st round.

I also like Okoro and don't think he gets enough love from Knicks fans but L.Rose has said that getting a forward that can shoot is high on his list so i don't count out Okoro or Deni or Toppin or any other forward they like from being our lottery pick. If we're picking somewhere between 6-10 and the PG we like isn't there i could see us trying to trade down a little and a wing or PF. I know PG has gotta be what they want more than any other position but i just don't think they'll pass up on other talent at other positions if that's the BPA at that point.

Yeah I agree, we know that Rose said "This draft, a couple of guys stand out, and after that, there's a lot of equality," so we can only guess who the couple are that he's referring to. I wouldn't even be surprised if they didn't draft a PG at all if things don't work out in the lotto. They could just take the 3 BPA maybe it's a PG maybe not. But based on what I'm hearing I do think they'll go all out trying to get lamelo. But if some team like detroit wins the lotto they'll never be able to make it happen so I hope they've scouted many others

[Zenzibar]

Ricky Rubio has never really shot the ball particularly well in his career and has had a positive impact on the court offensively.

Exactly, only on offense.

That is why Rubio, who was one of the most hyped European guards in history, has been on multiple teams but few playoff appearances.

THe Knicks need a good shooter at the point and it's not even debatable. This is why I can see Ball slipping to 4 or 5 in this year's draft.

Most players play for multiple teams, not sure how that’s a slight on Rubio. Plus he’s spent his whole career in the west, playing for some bad organizations(wolves/Sun) while having a positive net rating 6 of the 9 years he’s played. Before Thibs, Rubio and Love were the closest to leading the Wolves to the playoffs and won like 44 games. So it’s possible effect the game positively without a jumper. Especially when you’re an elite playmaker like LaMelo and Rubio.

I agree the Knicks need shooting but it’s not our number one priority. We need superstar talent first and foremost regardless of fit. No one wins without superstars and we don’t have one on the roster and I say that as someone who’s super high on RJ. LaMelo has more elite characteristics(playmaking, handles, positional size) than anyone else in this draft. He’s going to fix his jumper so I’m not really worried about it but I hope you’re right about him falling that far cuz it will make it easier for us to trade up from 7.

Agree with you regarding Rubio, whom I like alot as a player. Although having a weak jumper, defense is strong, always has been. But what is LaMelo "other" strong point?

[robillionaire]

Exactly, only on offense.

That is why Rubio, who was one of the most hyped European guards in history, has been on multiple teams but few playoff appearances.

THe Knicks need a good shooter at the point and it's not even debatable. This is why I can see Ball slipping to 4 or 5 in this year's draft.

Most players play for multiple teams, not sure how that’s a slight on Rubio. Plus he’s spent his whole career in the west, playing for some bad organizations(wolves/Sun) while having a positive net rating 6 of the 9 years he’s played. Before Thibs, Rubio and Love were the closest to leading the Wolves to the playoffs and won like 44 games. So it’s possible effect the game positively without a jumper. Especially when you’re an elite playmaker like LaMelo and Rubio.

I agree the Knicks need shooting but it’s not our number one priority. We need superstar talent first and foremost regardless of fit. No one wins without superstars and we don’t have one on the roster and I say that as someone who’s super high on RJ. LaMelo has more elite characteristics(playmaking, handles, positional size) than anyone else in this draft. He’s going to fix his jumper so I’m not really worried about it but I hope you’re right about him falling that far cuz it will make it easier for us to trade up from 7.

Agree with you regarding Rubio, whom I like alot as a player. Although having a weak jumper, defense is strong, always has been. But what is LaMelo "other" strong point?

I'd say that if you believe as the person you quoted that he will be able to improve on his jumper at least enough to be respected more than rubio (career 32% but on low volume 2.7 attempts per game) he will be such a good offensive player that he won't even need another strong point. But if I was going to point to something to be optimistic about it would be that being 6'8 it will help him on both sides of the ball as he hopefully continues to buy into the system and improve on defense, also they won't be able to switch a mismatch on him as easily as they can some of the smaller guards. The unique height for a guard also makes him an elite rebounder for the position. A PG who can get boards and start the break is a nice asset to have as well.

[moocow007]

The knicks odds of selecting anything other than a point guard with their top pick is equal to their chances of getting the #1 pick

but i do like deni if they did decide to draft another position

okoro is the guy I kinda want if all else fails

Yeah i'm not so sure that it's PG or nothing for the Knicks with our lottery pick but i do think that they want a PG and will be looking hard to get one in the lottery and if they don't then they might take 2 PG's with the Clippers and Charlotte picks or find a way to trade back up to get one in the middle of the 1st round.

I also like Okoro and don't think he gets enough love from Knicks fans but L.Rose has said that getting a forward that can shoot is high on his list so i don't count out Okoro or Deni or Toppin or any other forward they like from being our lottery pick. If we're picking somewhere between 6-10 and the PG we like isn't there i could see us trying to trade down a little and a wing or PF. I know PG has gotta be what they want more than any other position but i just don't think they'll pass up on other talent at other positions if that's the BPA at that point.

They are going to sign Christian Wood for that. The behind the scenes gears apparently already under way. If all the FAs out there that fill a need, fit their expected timeline and has the type if upside talent they need, Wood is the most signable. He is only 24, he would slot in extremely well next to Mitch Robinson and he's an UFA which means the playing field for his services is a lot more level.

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