Trade Challenge: Get The Lakers Another Star

[nzahir]

What ever you can do, you have to start with Danny Green, 14 Million in expiring salary, and Kuzma, 1.97 Million, as the prospect someone wants. KCP and McGee can both block any trade so there is that hurdle as well.

I don't see much there looking at your roster.

Salary in the summer: DG is at like 15M
Kuzma is about 3.5M
KCP and Mcgee can't block trades if they opt in

We don't have a ton, but trying to make a miracle out of Kuzma, 1st, and salaries (KCP, Avery, and Mcgee are all avg or above avg players according to adv numbers and eye test, so they aren't useless negative players)

I think CP3 deal is doable, but LAL needs future compensation for taking on that deal and giving up DG, Kuzma 1st, THT

Are you really expecting OKC to do charity work and give the Lakers a great deal on a CP3 trade?


Do you think the following has a high probability of happening?

OKC calls the Lakers and says that they are really desperate to move CP3. Figure out what needs to be done to make the salaries work. OKC will even include a future first because they really need to get this deal done.

Charity work?

Chris has one of the worst deals in the league, yes he is a great player, but that number is outrageous for an aging pg who has had major injury problems in his career

[nzahir]

To me, if you can get Paul, you get Paul. 2021 flexibility be damned

I think I agree with you, but it depends on the deal. LAL can't give up DG, their pick, Kuzma, and valuable role guys like Mcgee, Avery, etc, take on that huge deal, and get 0 comp back somehow.

Lebron's window, which is basically the Laker's window, is closing. If they can't win it all this year, they may need a big splash like that

But, if they win it all or get really close in the finals, then they may just need a couple of smaller moves in the offseason (good FA and maybe a small trade)

[Godaddycurse]

i made another thread to hear celtics fans' response, but basically your assets listed for Hayward.

[nzahir]

Lakers have zero chance of trading for any of those names with their available assets

The most likely scenario would be to sign Dipo or Demar as UFAs.

Aldridge is a terrible fit.
Dinwiddie sure if you have enough bitcoin

Conley has little left to offer... and Lowry will retire as a Rap

Why is Aldridge a terrible fit?

He spreads the floor more than any of our other bigs and can be on the other side of AD or play High low
He can be a source of shot creation with his post up and mid range game

Conley is not a great option b/c of his high salary

I would think Lowry stays if I had to bet on it

[nzahir]

I don't think DG, Kuzma, and a late first gets the Lakers much. Certainly not anybody I would call a "star."

Tbf, most of those guys aren't even real "stars" anymore

I think sometimes we forget what small packages stars can go far

Kawhi, who is a top 3 guy right now, AND Danny Green went for Derozan, very late 1st, and Jakob Poetl

Say DG for that late 1st (DG is worth more to a contender) is fair.

Kawhi for DD and Jakob....

Depending on the situation, lets see what happens. What if DD, Dipo, or LA demand out in public?

[nzahir]

i made another thread to hear celtics fans' response, but basically your assets listed for Hayward.

I thought of Hayward for a bit, but I don't know if I see it for a couple of reasons:
1) He is Brad's guy from college
2) He got hurt so early and after committing to come there, would they really ship him off? Kind of a bad look for Boston, especially after IT. May kill their chances with future FA's

Are we talking about with or without DG?

Without: KCP, Kuzma, Avery, Mcgee, Rondo, Cook, 1st rounder or THT for salary. Kind of a lot of pieces, maybe we get future pick?

With: DG, Mcgee, Avery, Cook or Rondo

Kind of makes sense for Boston, get to split up 1 guy into multiple pieces. They already have multiple guys who handle the ball

[mademan]

To me, if you can get Paul, you get Paul. 2021 flexibility be damned

I think I agree with you, but it depends on the deal. LAL can't give up DG, their pick, Kuzma, and valuable role guys like Mcgee, Avery, etc, take on that huge deal, and get 0 comp back somehow.

Lebron's window, which is basically the Laker's window, is closing. If they can't win it all this year, they may need a big splash like that

But, if they win it all or get really close in the finals, then they may just need a couple of smaller moves in the offseason (good FA and maybe a small trade)

Dont know the financials, but i think you can just do a S@T where you send one of the guys who are FA this year on a big 1 year contract to facilitate the deal alongside a 1st. OKC can even use that expiring contract to take in bad contracts for more future assets from other teams.

Like a 1 year contract for KCP for 29 mill (or whatever the number is that gets it close enough to do the trade)

[nzahir]

To me, if you can get Paul, you get Paul. 2021 flexibility be damned

I think I agree with you, but it depends on the deal. LAL can't give up DG, their pick, Kuzma, and valuable role guys like Mcgee, Avery, etc, take on that huge deal, and get 0 comp back somehow.

Lebron's window, which is basically the Laker's window, is closing. If they can't win it all this year, they may need a big splash like that

But, if they win it all or get really close in the finals, then they may just need a couple of smaller moves in the offseason (good FA and maybe a small trade)

Dont know the financials, but i think you can just do a S@T where you send one of the guys who are FA this year on a big 1 year contract to facilitate the deal alongside a 1st. OKC can even use that expiring contract to take in bad contracts for more future assets from other teams.

Like a 1 year contract for KCP for 29 mill (or whatever the number is that gets it close enough to do the trade)

Anyone know what is allowed with sign and trades?

We have KCP bird rights, but are we allowed to use him to opt out and then sign a 1 year deal worth his max and send him to OKC?

If we could use him for a max of around 30mil and send out something like Rondo and Avery for filler in a CP3 deal, that would be nice

Just not sure what is allowed

[Myth]

I don't think DG, Kuzma, and a late first gets the Lakers much. Certainly not anybody I would call a "star."

Tbf, most of those guys aren't even real "stars" anymore

I think sometimes we forget what small packages stars can go far

Kawhi, who is a top 3 guy right now, AND Danny Green went for Derozan, very late 1st, and Jakob Poetl

Say DG for that late 1st (DG is worth more to a contender) is fair.

Kawhi for DD and Jakob....

Depending on the situation, lets see what happens. What if DD, Dipo, or LA demand out in public?

Sure, it does depend on the situation. But that Kawhi situation really was the perfect storm. It will be very rare to see that again and should not be viewed as a normal trade scenario to depend on. Kawhi went so low because he demanded out, wasn't playing, the Spurs refused to trade him to the entire Western Conference (that is very rare), most east contenders wouldn't spend much to get a probable rental, lower East teams weren't giving high draft assets for a near definite rental, so the Raptors got lucky to be a team that felt that boost was worth it and happened to have a 4 time all-star (coming off 3 consecutive all-star games) and included a pick. Spurs included DG likely because of salary purposes. DD is still skilled, but his value has gone down even if he didn't get much worse since the trade simply because the record changes of Spurs and Raptors really showed how minimal impact he had, and his lack of 3 point shooting has become viewed widely as problematic as the last 2 years further cemented how important that skill is for a wing in this league.

Dipo demanding out would draw more than Kuzma, 1st, and DG easily.

DD or Aldridge now may be your absolutely best case scenarios (besides really high priced guys like CP3) as the Spurs may look to cut costs and finally rebuild. But they still may get more than those in offers, and are likely to take even comparable offers from other teams given past hesitations to trade with the Lakers.

Edit: I just looked it up and it should be noted, that Kuzma is also going to be a free agent in 2021. So the idea that a team would trade their "star" 2021 free agent to get something for them rather than letting them walk for nothing doesn't make a lot of sense given that Kuzma and Green (also a 2021 free agent) could walk for nothing. Lakers aren't in position to absorb salary either, so they can't even unburden teams that way. Not many teams will make such a trade for a pick likely in the last couple of the draft.

[CoachD]

Lakers have zero chance of trading for any of those names with their available assets

The most likely scenario would be to sign Dipo or Demar as UFAs.

Aldridge is a terrible fit.
Dinwiddie sure if you have enough bitcoin

Conley has little left to offer... and Lowry will retire as a Rap

Why is Aldridge a terrible fit?

He spreads the floor more than any of our other bigs and can be on the other side of AD or play High low
He can be a source of shot creation with his post up and mid range game

Conley is not a great option b/c of his high salary

I would think Lowry stays if I had to bet on it

Aldridge is not really a floor spreader. His 3 pt shooting this season has been forced with no decent shooters on the team.

His strength is mid post.

LeBron and AD dont want anybody else in the midpost because it clogs things up for them.

Plus LMA still envisions himself as #1 option.

Truthfully, Demar would be a bad fit for the exact same reason

[nzahir]

Lakers have zero chance of trading for any of those names with their available assets

The most likely scenario would be to sign Dipo or Demar as UFAs.

Aldridge is a terrible fit.
Dinwiddie sure if you have enough bitcoin

Conley has little left to offer... and Lowry will retire as a Rap

Why is Aldridge a terrible fit?

He spreads the floor more than any of our other bigs and can be on the other side of AD or play High low
He can be a source of shot creation with his post up and mid range game

Conley is not a great option b/c of his high salary

I would think Lowry stays if I had to bet on it

Aldridge is not really a floor spreader. His 3 pt shooting this season has been forced with no decent shooters on the team.

His strength is mid post.

LeBron and AD dont want anybody else in the midpost because it clogs things up for them.

Plus LMA still envisions himself as #1 option.

Truthfully, Demar would be a bad fit for the exact same reason

I don't love LA either, but just throwing out options, he provides more spacing than someone like Mcgee

He did shoot the 3 well this season on low volume, but still shot it well

I may agree on DD, his poor defense and bad shooting is worrisome

[nzahir]

I don't think DG, Kuzma, and a late first gets the Lakers much. Certainly not anybody I would call a "star."

Tbf, most of those guys aren't even real "stars" anymore

I think sometimes we forget what small packages stars can go far

Kawhi, who is a top 3 guy right now, AND Danny Green went for Derozan, very late 1st, and Jakob Poetl

Say DG for that late 1st (DG is worth more to a contender) is fair.

Kawhi for DD and Jakob....

Depending on the situation, lets see what happens. What if DD, Dipo, or LA demand out in public?

Sure, it does depend on the situation. But that Kawhi situation really was the perfect storm. It will be very rare to see that again and should not be viewed as a normal trade scenario to depend on. Kawhi went so low because he demanded out, wasn't playing, the Spurs refused to trade him to the entire Western Conference (that is very rare), most east contenders wouldn't spend much to get a probable rental, lower East teams weren't giving high draft assets for a near definite rental, so the Raptors got lucky to be a team that felt that boost was worth it and happened to have a 4 time all-star (coming off 3 consecutive all-star games) and included a pick. Spurs included DG likely because of salary purposes. DD is still skilled, but his value has gone down even if he didn't get much worse since the trade simply because the record changes of Spurs and Raptors really showed how minimal impact he had, and his lack of 3 point shooting has become viewed widely as problematic as the last 2 years further cemented how important that skill is for a wing in this league.

Dipo demanding out would draw more than Kuzma, 1st, and DG easily.

DD or Aldridge now may be your absolutely best case scenarios (besides really high priced guys like CP3) as the Spurs may look to cut costs and finally rebuild. But they still may get more than those in offers, and are likely to take even comparable offers from other teams given past hesitations to trade with the Lakers.

Edit: I just looked it up and it should be noted, that Kuzma is also going to be a free agent in 2021. So the idea that a team would trade their "star" 2021 free agent to get something for them rather than letting them walk for nothing doesn't make a lot of sense given that Kuzma and Green (also a 2021 free agent) could walk for nothing. Lakers aren't in position to absorb salary either, so they can't even unburden teams that way. Not many teams will make such a trade for a pick likely in the last couple of the draft.

So you are saying DD has shown his value is worth little to nothing in terms of winning impact, yet a 1st or Kuzma and smaller useful expirings, are not enough?

[Myth]

Tbf, most of those guys aren't even real "stars" anymore

I think sometimes we forget what small packages stars can go far

Kawhi, who is a top 3 guy right now, AND Danny Green went for Derozan, very late 1st, and Jakob Poetl

Say DG for that late 1st (DG is worth more to a contender) is fair.

Kawhi for DD and Jakob....

Depending on the situation, lets see what happens. What if DD, Dipo, or LA demand out in public?

Sure, it does depend on the situation. But that Kawhi situation really was the perfect storm. It will be very rare to see that again and should not be viewed as a normal trade scenario to depend on. Kawhi went so low because he demanded out, wasn't playing, the Spurs refused to trade him to the entire Western Conference (that is very rare), most east contenders wouldn't spend much to get a probable rental, lower East teams weren't giving high draft assets for a near definite rental, so the Raptors got lucky to be a team that felt that boost was worth it and happened to have a 4 time all-star (coming off 3 consecutive all-star games) and included a pick. Spurs included DG likely because of salary purposes. DD is still skilled, but his value has gone down even if he didn't get much worse since the trade simply because the record changes of Spurs and Raptors really showed how minimal impact he had, and his lack of 3 point shooting has become viewed widely as problematic as the last 2 years further cemented how important that skill is for a wing in this league.

Dipo demanding out would draw more than Kuzma, 1st, and DG easily.

DD or Aldridge now may be your absolutely best case scenarios (besides really high priced guys like CP3) as the Spurs may look to cut costs and finally rebuild. But they still may get more than those in offers, and are likely to take even comparable offers from other teams given past hesitations to trade with the Lakers.

Edit: I just looked it up and it should be noted, that Kuzma is also going to be a free agent in 2021. So the idea that a team would trade their "star" 2021 free agent to get something for them rather than letting them walk for nothing doesn't make a lot of sense given that Kuzma and Green (also a 2021 free agent) could walk for nothing. Lakers aren't in position to absorb salary either, so they can't even unburden teams that way. Not many teams will make such a trade for a pick likely in the last couple of the draft.

So you are saying DD has shown his value is worth little to nothing in terms of winning impact, yet a 1st or Kuzma and smaller useful expirings, are not enough?

If you read my entire post and didn't just cherry pick one thing you would have seen that I indicated it may be enough, but other teams still may offer more. The word "minimal" was not meant to mean "little to nothing", it was meant to mean he is not a major needle mover that he was once viewed as. He has value, but not that of a star that is a needle mover. I should have made that more clear. But considering the edit I made, this trade is still expiring Derozan for expiring Kuzma, expiring Green, plus like the 29th pick. A 29th pick doesn't have a lot a value, so I think it would be more about how much Spurs like Derozan. He is the best player in the deal, but maybe they would rather take the 3 point shooters. All this said, do the Lakers really want to get rid of 2 of their 3 point shooters for a guy who needs the ball in his hands, will want lots of minutes, and can't be relied on for a kick out 3 from AD or Lebron?

[nzahir]

Sure, it does depend on the situation. But that Kawhi situation really was the perfect storm. It will be very rare to see that again and should not be viewed as a normal trade scenario to depend on. Kawhi went so low because he demanded out, wasn't playing, the Spurs refused to trade him to the entire Western Conference (that is very rare), most east contenders wouldn't spend much to get a probable rental, lower East teams weren't giving high draft assets for a near definite rental, so the Raptors got lucky to be a team that felt that boost was worth it and happened to have a 4 time all-star (coming off 3 consecutive all-star games) and included a pick. Spurs included DG likely because of salary purposes. DD is still skilled, but his value has gone down even if he didn't get much worse since the trade simply because the record changes of Spurs and Raptors really showed how minimal impact he had, and his lack of 3 point shooting has become viewed widely as problematic as the last 2 years further cemented how important that skill is for a wing in this league.

Dipo demanding out would draw more than Kuzma, 1st, and DG easily.

DD or Aldridge now may be your absolutely best case scenarios (besides really high priced guys like CP3) as the Spurs may look to cut costs and finally rebuild. But they still may get more than those in offers, and are likely to take even comparable offers from other teams given past hesitations to trade with the Lakers.

Edit: I just looked it up and it should be noted, that Kuzma is also going to be a free agent in 2021. So the idea that a team would trade their "star" 2021 free agent to get something for them rather than letting them walk for nothing doesn't make a lot of sense given that Kuzma and Green (also a 2021 free agent) could walk for nothing. Lakers aren't in position to absorb salary either, so they can't even unburden teams that way. Not many teams will make such a trade for a pick likely in the last couple of the draft.

So you are saying DD has shown his value is worth little to nothing in terms of winning impact, yet a 1st or Kuzma and smaller useful expirings, are not enough?

If you read my entire post and didn't just cherry pick one thing you would have seen that I indicated it may be enough, but other teams still may offer more. The word "minimal" was not meant to mean "little to nothing", it was meant to mean he is not a major needle mover that he was once viewed as. He has value, but not that of a star that is a needle mover. I should have made that more clear. But considering the edit I made, this trade is still expiring Derozan for expiring Kuzma, expiring Green, plus like the 29th pick. A 29th pick doesn't have a lot a value, so I think it would be more about how much Spurs like Derozan. He is the best player in the deal, but maybe they would rather take the 3 point shooters. All this said, do the Lakers really want to get rid of 2 of their 3 point shooters for a guy who needs the ball in his hands, will want lots of minutes, and can't be relied on for a kick out 3 from AD or Lebron?

Thinking about this, and with apparently what it takes to get DD, I’m good.

DG alone likely has more winning value to this team

[Myth]

So you are saying DD has shown his value is worth little to nothing in terms of winning impact, yet a 1st or Kuzma and smaller useful expirings, are not enough?

If you read my entire post and didn't just cherry pick one thing you would have seen that I indicated it may be enough, but other teams still may offer more. The word "minimal" was not meant to mean "little to nothing", it was meant to mean he is not a major needle mover that he was once viewed as. He has value, but not that of a star that is a needle mover. I should have made that more clear. But considering the edit I made, this trade is still expiring Derozan for expiring Kuzma, expiring Green, plus like the 29th pick. A 29th pick doesn't have a lot a value, so I think it would be more about how much Spurs like Derozan. He is the best player in the deal, but maybe they would rather take the 3 point shooters. All this said, do the Lakers really want to get rid of 2 of their 3 point shooters for a guy who needs the ball in his hands, will want lots of minutes, and can't be relied on for a kick out 3 from AD or Lebron?

Thinking about this, and with apparently what it takes to get DD, I’m good.

DG alone likely has more winning value to this team

I don't blame you. DD is the better player, but DG definitely is a better fit, and then to add Kuzma and a late 1st. The only reason Lakers would do this is if in addition to the "better player", they have a plan to use the opened up roster spot to fill it with a cheap DG replacement.

Honestly, the problem with trading for Derozan isn't just a Lakers problem. With how much 3s are important now, it is hard to give up "fair value" for Derozan's skill levels and swallow the fact that he just isn't good at 3s. Just a year ago people would debate on this site Portland giving up McCollum for Derozan. The argument was that Derozan has been a multi-time all-star and McCollum likely never will be one, but the lack of 3s was too much of a trade killer for Portland. This year, there has been some Derozan to Portland conversations on this site, but they no longer include McCollum. Derozan being a free agent is part of that, but most of it is that people have accepted that 3s are just too important, so lesser players and assets for Derozan have been discussed.

[iye6ry4e7r3]

As the title states, is it possible to get LAL a star and remain cap flexibility for 2021? Although I do think 2021 FA is overrated, I want to see what is possible

Guys who expire in 2021 who are "stars" and make some sense:
Conley
Lowry
Derozan
Aldridge
Oladipo
Dinwiddie

Conley is pretty hard to make it work out without moving DG, but I wonder if Utah would take a ton of smaller pieces for him (Kuzma, KCP, Mcgee, Avery, Cook, Rondo, and THT). Also not even sure if that is a good idea for us.

Lowry is the best guy for the Lakers. But that would mean Toronto is paying FVV and rather get some assets now in case they can't pay Kyle in 2021; but I see him staying.

Derozan is not a great fit, but he would be a nice iso guy to create points, especially when Lebron sits. But, I would not move DG for him. Salaries could work if KCP, Avery, and Mcgee opt in. Add in Kuzma and you are at about 22M. Gets close salary wise, can always add in THT, Rondo, or Cook. Or swap Kuzma for our 1st and throw in salary filler.

I like Aldridge as well, but not moving DG for him. My only Q is would SA move a guy like Aldridge or Derozan for basically Kuzma or a late 1st and expirings (can be useful at deadline)

Oladipo is my 2nd choice here, but I don't think DG, Kuzma, our 1st, and salary filler like Mcgee and Avery to take on a useless player for small assets (more 2nds?) is enough.

Dinwiddie I think makes some sense, even though he is also not a great fit. Kuzma, Avery, our 1st, and a future 2nd? I feel like the nets rather keep him for this deal though or try to get a 3rd star

Any thoughts?

Not looking for deals for guys who kill flexibility in this deal: So no Hield, Lavine, Cp3, etc
Also not looking for smaller pieces: Rose, Ariza, Fournier

Tough to see how that happens as LAL have no attractive players or draft picks assets.

The real question would seem to be “how can LAL acquire the perfect complementary player without sending out anything approaching equivalent value?”

It would seem to require a star player demanding a trade to LAL and his team caving to that demand because reasons.

[nzahir]

If you read my entire post and didn't just cherry pick one thing you would have seen that I indicated it may be enough, but other teams still may offer more. The word "minimal" was not meant to mean "little to nothing", it was meant to mean he is not a major needle mover that he was once viewed as. He has value, but not that of a star that is a needle mover. I should have made that more clear. But considering the edit I made, this trade is still expiring Derozan for expiring Kuzma, expiring Green, plus like the 29th pick. A 29th pick doesn't have a lot a value, so I think it would be more about how much Spurs like Derozan. He is the best player in the deal, but maybe they would rather take the 3 point shooters. All this said, do the Lakers really want to get rid of 2 of their 3 point shooters for a guy who needs the ball in his hands, will want lots of minutes, and can't be relied on for a kick out 3 from AD or Lebron?

Thinking about this, and with apparently what it takes to get DD, I’m good.

DG alone likely has more winning value to this team

I don't blame you. DD is the better player, but DG definitely is a better fit, and then to add Kuzma and a late 1st. The only reason Lakers would do this is if in addition to the "better player", they have a plan to use the opened up roster spot to fill it with a cheap DG replacement.

Honestly, the problem with trading for Derozan isn't just a Lakers problem. With how much 3s are important now, it is hard to give up "fair value" for Derozan's skill levels and swallow the fact that he just isn't good at 3s. Just a year ago people would debate on this site Portland giving up McCollum for Derozan. The argument was that Derozan has been a multi-time all-star and McCollum likely never will be one, but the lack of 3s was too much of a trade killer for Portland. This year, there has been some Derozan to Portland conversations on this site, but they no longer include McCollum. Derozan being a free agent is part of that, but most of it is that people have accepted that 3s are just too important, so lesser players and assets for Derozan have been discussed.

If he was a positive defender, it would really help him
No clue why he isn’t better, he has the tools

[Myth]

Thinking about this, and with apparently what it takes to get DD, I’m good.

DG alone likely has more winning value to this team

I don't blame you. DD is the better player, but DG definitely is a better fit, and then to add Kuzma and a late 1st. The only reason Lakers would do this is if in addition to the "better player", they have a plan to use the opened up roster spot to fill it with a cheap DG replacement.

Honestly, the problem with trading for Derozan isn't just a Lakers problem. With how much 3s are important now, it is hard to give up "fair value" for Derozan's skill levels and swallow the fact that he just isn't good at 3s. Just a year ago people would debate on this site Portland giving up McCollum for Derozan. The argument was that Derozan has been a multi-time all-star and McCollum likely never will be one, but the lack of 3s was too much of a trade killer for Portland. This year, there has been some Derozan to Portland conversations on this site, but they no longer include McCollum. Derozan being a free agent is part of that, but most of it is that people have accepted that 3s are just too important, so lesser players and assets for Derozan have been discussed.

If he was a positive defender, it would really help him
No clue why he isn’t better, he has the tools

If he uses this break and/or an off season or 2 to develop a 3 point shot, he really could revitalize his career.

[nzahir]

As the title states, is it possible to get LAL a star and remain cap flexibility for 2021? Although I do think 2021 FA is overrated, I want to see what is possible

Guys who expire in 2021 who are "stars" and make some sense:
Conley
Lowry
Derozan
Aldridge
Oladipo
Dinwiddie

Conley is pretty hard to make it work out without moving DG, but I wonder if Utah would take a ton of smaller pieces for him (Kuzma, KCP, Mcgee, Avery, Cook, Rondo, and THT). Also not even sure if that is a good idea for us.

Lowry is the best guy for the Lakers. But that would mean Toronto is paying FVV and rather get some assets now in case they can't pay Kyle in 2021; but I see him staying.

Derozan is not a great fit, but he would be a nice iso guy to create points, especially when Lebron sits. But, I would not move DG for him. Salaries could work if KCP, Avery, and Mcgee opt in. Add in Kuzma and you are at about 22M. Gets close salary wise, can always add in THT, Rondo, or Cook. Or swap Kuzma for our 1st and throw in salary filler.

I like Aldridge as well, but not moving DG for him. My only Q is would SA move a guy like Aldridge or Derozan for basically Kuzma or a late 1st and expirings (can be useful at deadline)

Oladipo is my 2nd choice here, but I don't think DG, Kuzma, our 1st, and salary filler like Mcgee and Avery to take on a useless player for small assets (more 2nds?) is enough.

Dinwiddie I think makes some sense, even though he is also not a great fit. Kuzma, Avery, our 1st, and a future 2nd? I feel like the nets rather keep him for this deal though or try to get a 3rd star

Any thoughts?

Not looking for deals for guys who kill flexibility in this deal: So no Hield, Lavine, Cp3, etc
Also not looking for smaller pieces: Rose, Ariza, Fournier

Tough to see how that happens as LAL have no attractive players or draft picks assets.

The real question would seem to be “how can LAL acquire the perfect complementary player without sending out anything approaching equivalent value?”

It would seem to require a star player demanding a trade to LAL and his team caving to that demand because reasons.

You are likely right, but trying to explore options

Do you or anyone know how sign and trades would work for KCP? LA has his bird rights if he opts out. Could we sign him for a high 1 yr deal and use him?

Would really help in a deal for cp3, who is the most plausible option, albeit a tough one

Crossing off Lowry and DD. I should probably do the same for Conley and Dipo.

I don’t love going for LA, but not crossing him off yet.

No discussion on Dinwiddie really, not a great fit (can’t shoot or defend well), but he is still a positive player on cheaper contract for a year

Hayward is interesting tbh now that someone brought it up, but not very easy to pull off

[iye6ry4e7r3]

As the title states, is it possible to get LAL a star and remain cap flexibility for 2021? Although I do think 2021 FA is overrated, I want to see what is possible

Guys who expire in 2021 who are "stars" and make some sense:
Conley
Lowry
Derozan
Aldridge
Oladipo
Dinwiddie

Conley is pretty hard to make it work out without moving DG, but I wonder if Utah would take a ton of smaller pieces for him (Kuzma, KCP, Mcgee, Avery, Cook, Rondo, and THT). Also not even sure if that is a good idea for us.

Lowry is the best guy for the Lakers. But that would mean Toronto is paying FVV and rather get some assets now in case they can't pay Kyle in 2021; but I see him staying.

Derozan is not a great fit, but he would be a nice iso guy to create points, especially when Lebron sits. But, I would not move DG for him. Salaries could work if KCP, Avery, and Mcgee opt in. Add in Kuzma and you are at about 22M. Gets close salary wise, can always add in THT, Rondo, or Cook. Or swap Kuzma for our 1st and throw in salary filler.

I like Aldridge as well, but not moving DG for him. My only Q is would SA move a guy like Aldridge or Derozan for basically Kuzma or a late 1st and expirings (can be useful at deadline)

Oladipo is my 2nd choice here, but I don't think DG, Kuzma, our 1st, and salary filler like Mcgee and Avery to take on a useless player for small assets (more 2nds?) is enough.

Dinwiddie I think makes some sense, even though he is also not a great fit. Kuzma, Avery, our 1st, and a future 2nd? I feel like the nets rather keep him for this deal though or try to get a 3rd star

Any thoughts?

Not looking for deals for guys who kill flexibility in this deal: So no Hield, Lavine, Cp3, etc
Also not looking for smaller pieces: Rose, Ariza, Fournier

Tough to see how that happens as LAL have no attractive players or draft picks assets.

The real question would seem to be “how can LAL acquire the perfect complementary player without sending out anything approaching equivalent value?”

It would seem to require a star player demanding a trade to LAL and his team caving to that demand because reasons.

You are likely right, but trying to explore options

Do you or anyone know how sign and trades would work for KCP? LA has his bird rights if he opts out. Could we sign him for a high 1 yr deal and use him?

Would really help in a deal for cp3, who is the most plausible option, albeit a tough one

Crossing off Lowry and DD. I should probably do the same for Conley and Dipo.

I don’t love going for LA, but not crossing him off yet.

No discussion on Dinwiddie really, not a great fit (can’t shoot or defend well), but he is still a positive player on cheaper contract for a year

Hayward is interesting tbh now that someone brought it up, but not very easy to pull off

No team is going to take 4-6 scrubs and a late pick for a star.

LAL might be better served watching the waiver wire very carefully. There’s a chance that some team might negotiate a buy out for some overpaid, underperforming high profile player.

This won’t be your dream player. It’ll be someone like Kevin Love, Blake Griffin or Mike Conley. Fine players with age, injury and fit issues to consider.