2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 6) -LOTTO 8/20 DRAFT 10/16!

[3toheadmelo]

while we on big men how yall feel about vernon carey? is his game outdated for todays NBA? i think he can surprise some folks

He’s ok but he can’t guard in space so he’ll probably be a bench big

[Fat]

while we on big men how yall feel about vernon carey? is his game outdated for todays NBA? i think he can surprise some folks

He’s ok but he can’t guard in space so he’ll probably be a bench big

yeah that is probably the case for him his P&R defense is poor so itll be hard for him to be a starter until he improves that

[knickstape4ever]

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probably hedging just in case Knicks fall to 7 or 8. He'd probably rather go top 3 somewhere else than 7/8 to the Knicks

unless there's a disconnect between LaMelo/Jackson and LaVar, which wouldn't be the worst thing b/c LaVar is and I want no part of Gelo

He prob wants New York but also likes other teams as well.

Has Lavar ever said that LaMelo only wants NY though?

no, he mentioned just his preference is to play for the Knicks. he did say he didn't want GS, and of the teams in the top 10, only Pistons, Bulls, and Suns could use PG's. I dont see the Cavs or Hawks taking him

[3toheadmelo]

probably hedging just in case Knicks fall to 7 or 8. He'd probably rather go top 3 somewhere else than 7/8 to the Knicks

unless there's a disconnect between LaMelo/Jackson and LaVar, which wouldn't be the worst thing b/c LaVar is and I want no part of Gelo

He prob wants New York but also likes other teams as well.

Has Lavar ever said that LaMelo only wants NY though?

no, he mentioned just his preference is to play for the Knicks. he did say he didn't want GS, and of the teams in the top 10, only Pistons, Bulls, and Suns could use PG's. I dont see the Cavs or Hawks taking him

I looked it up. It’s actually Lavar’s preferences, not Lamelo’s. He never actually said that LaMelo wants to go to NY, it’s what Lavar wants.

Also found this. So when Lavar was saying he doesn’t want LaMelo on Golden State, it looks like LaMelo actually disagrees with that notion.

LaMelo was quick to take to Twitter, where he quoted the report with the simple words “Yo chill.” The tweet was soon deleted but his statement stands. Melo doesn’t want to lose any opportunities and playing alongside Stephen Curry and Klay Thompson could be a once in a lifetime learning experience.

So really this whole thing that LaMelo wants to go to NY might be nonsense. It’s just what Lavar wants.

[3toheadmelo]

This is what I’m talking about. Sounds like he’s disagreeing with Lavar

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[HarthorneWingo]

This is what I’m talking about. Sounds like he’s disagreeing with Lavar

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Do we really need this? I say, "no."

[knickstape4ever]

He prob wants New York but also likes other teams as well.

Has Lavar ever said that LaMelo only wants NY though?

no, he mentioned just his preference is to play for the Knicks. he did say he didn't want GS, and of the teams in the top 10, only Pistons, Bulls, and Suns could use PG's. I dont see the Cavs or Hawks taking him

I looked it up. It’s actually Lavar’s preferences, not Lamelo’s. He never actually said that LaMelo wants to go to NY, it’s what Lavar wants.

Also found this. So when Lavar was saying he doesn’t want LaMelo on Golden State, it looks like LaMelo actually disagrees with that notion.

LaMelo was quick to take to Twitter, where he quoted the report with the simple words “Yo chill.” The tweet was soon deleted but his statement stands. Melo doesn’t want to lose any opportunities and playing alongside Stephen Curry and Klay Thompson could be a once in a lifetime learning experience.

So really this whole thing that LaMelo wants to go to NY might be nonsense. It’s just what Lavar wants.

yeah, I'm thinking there could be a disconnect between LaVar and LaMelo/Jermaine Jackson since Jackson kinda walked back LaVar's comments, which I hope is the case

LaVar is the main reason I'm skeptical about LaMelo. Based on talent, I'd take him #1, but LaVar is saying stuff already about how he wants all 3 brothers on the same team and he admitted to switching agents/will continue to do so if they cant team up.

“That’s the main goal (for) all these (agents) that we choose from day one, to build up to. Let’s say you get (to represent) Lonzo, and if my other (agent) would have got Gelo a summer league try or something like that, he still would have been an agent. So now, it would have been Melo’s time, he still would have been the agent.

"Same thing with CAA (Ball’s last agency). If you would have did things the way – not the way you wanted things done - the way I want things done. You’re working for us – get it done our way. But if you're going to have your own little lane, the way you want to do it, guess what? Next. Until we find somebody who fits what we’re trying to do.

apparently, they fired CAA because Gelo couldn't get a contract with the Lakers or Pelicans. I dont want an issue where LaVar has a fit we dont sign Gelo and the relationship w/ the team goes bad. We all saw how delicate these situations are with KP, especially when family is involved

[HEZI]

There's a huge difference between KOQ and P.Milsap...HUGE.

Thank you captain obvious

You're welcome. I figured if you were gonna compare one player to KOQ and then also compare that same player to P.Milsap that you needed some help which i gave you.

I think you need help with reading comprehension more than anything

[HEZI]

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You are BUGGIN if you taking Tillman over Achiuwa.

Tired of lumpy, smaller bigs like that. Give me the versatile, younger, athlete to build on.

Please don’t throw the stats at me, please. Achiuwa would absolutely dominate as a Junior in college.

Versatile? Is that what we are calling dudes with no handles, that can't shoot, turnover prone and can only do straight line drives that are prone to being out of control when attempting to do anything else?

[HEZI]

yeah I would say a bit more mobile and maybe a bit more smarter. KOQ was a foul machine.

But Tillman is a grinder. Any team could use him to play solid minutes off the bench. I could see him going anywhere from late 1st to early 2nd. Wouldn't mind him at all could be great front court depth.

He has a Paul Millsap type of potential, maybe he gets there maybe he doesn't but the tools are there. If he can keep improving on that outside shot and bring some consistency there, he could be a really solid pickup for somebody. I like him and Winston

milsap is high praise lol but

Tillman @27
Winston in the 2nd round



They would strengthen our bench at least

Winston
Ntilkina
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Knox
Tillman

That's like his max ceiling, often dudes don't reach it but the tools are there. I'd take that duo with the later picks, very solid

[HarthorneWingo]

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You are BUGGIN if you taking Tillman over Achiuwa.

Tired of lumpy, smaller bigs like that. Give me the versatile, younger, athlete to build on.

Please don’t throw the stats at me, please. Achiuwa would absolutely dominate as a Junior in college.

No, he's not Buggin. He's Hezi. Buggin' has the avatar of Buggin Out from Do The Right Thing played by Giancarlo Esposito.

[Strick]

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Idc how we do it but I want to get Deni and Terry to have a Tyrell Terry / Frank / RJ / Deni / Mitch lineup

[knickstape21]

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You are BUGGIN if you taking Tillman over Achiuwa.

Tired of lumpy, smaller bigs like that. Give me the versatile, younger, athlete to build on.

Please don’t throw the stats at me, please. Achiuwa would absolutely dominate as a Junior in college.

Versatile? Is that what we are calling dudes with no handles, that can't shoot, turnover prone and can only do straight line drives that are prone to being out of control when attempting to do anything else?

He’s incredibly versatile defensively and can play next to Robinson and in his spot.

You don’t think he can build on his handles and shot? Sure he has some tunnel vision. Big question if he can clean it up for sure... Tillman just lumping around out there that is the definition of a bench player today I’m sorry.

He plays big and strong and has shown flashes of handle, shooting open jumpers, straight line drives, and even pull-up jumpers. How is this a guy we couldn’t build on? Cause he struggled in improvement areas as a freshman? Please man.

[HEZI]

You are BUGGIN if you taking Tillman over Achiuwa.

Tired of lumpy, smaller bigs like that. Give me the versatile, younger, athlete to build on.

Please don’t throw the stats at me, please. Achiuwa would absolutely dominate as a Junior in college.

Versatile? Is that what we are calling dudes with no handles, that can't shoot, turnover prone and can only do straight line drives that are prone to being out of control when attempting to do anything else?

He’s incredibly versatile defensively and can play next to Robinson and in his spot.

You don’t think he can build on his handles and shot? Sure he has some tunnel vision. Big question if he can clean it up for sure... Tillman just lumping around out there that is the definition of a bench player today I’m sorry.

He plays big and strong and has shown flashes of handle, shooting open jumpers, straight line drives, and even pull-up jumpers. How is this a guy we couldn’t build on? Cause he struggled in improvement areas as a freshman? Please man.

You think he's a starter? In the NBA? And next to Robinson?

No thanks. Also it's funny how he's got all this room for improvement but the dude that's less than a year older than him has none? And yeah Tillman is more of a bench player right now but he's way more experienced and polished and savvy for some NBA minutes than Hachiuwa. Won't be surprised one bit if the team that drafts him sends him to the GLeague for development, he sure needs it. We aint drafting him, that's almost certain.

[knickstape21]

Versatile? Is that what we are calling dudes with no handles, that can't shoot, turnover prone and can only do straight line drives that are prone to being out of control when attempting to do anything else?

He’s incredibly versatile defensively and can play next to Robinson and in his spot.

You don’t think he can build on his handles and shot? Sure he has some tunnel vision. Big question if he can clean it up for sure... Tillman just lumping around out there that is the definition of a bench player today I’m sorry.

He plays big and strong and has shown flashes of handle, shooting open jumpers, straight line drives, and even pull-up jumpers. How is this a guy we couldn’t build on? Cause he struggled in improvement areas as a freshman? Please man.

You think he's a starter? In the NBA? And next to Robinson?

No thanks. Also it's funny how he's got all this room for improvement but the dude that's less than a year older than him has none? And yeah Tillman is more of a bench player right now but he's way more experienced and polished and savvy for some NBA minutes than Hachiuwa. Won't be surprised one bit if the team that drafts him sends him to the GLeague for development, he sure needs it. We aint drafting him, that's almost certain.

He can 100% start in the NBA at some point in his career if he keeps developing, yes. What kind of questions was that lol.

Drafting Tillman would be alarming to me. The league is and has been moving away from that type of player. It’s obvious. We need athletes, we need speed, we need shooters, we need spacing... the Knicks LACK all of that. Tillman helps NONE of that.

[HighRyzer83]

1. Ball - Hayes if we fall

2. Jalen Smith - demon of a defender and rebounder. Elite athlete with a great motor. Attacks the rim but good on the perimeter as well. He and Mitch could cause havoc.

3. Aleksej Pokusevski - I think this kid could have KP type impact.

That would be my ideal draft realistically.

[moocow007]

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I read that as "can you stop making me sound like an arrogant SOB like you dad" reaction (which might be a good sign from Melo that he's not just an extension of his dad like some may be afraid of)...but just in fewer words. Still, my strong, strong guess is that he would rather be the main guy than being an understudy for the length of his rookie contract which, given the age and the contract size of the guys on the Warriors right now, is what he'll be pretty much. And no, that's not a LaMelo Ball knock, any elite top tier prospect would NOT want to be "learning" from bigger name guys for the forseeable future (PS: that "ideal" world doesn't exist, let's be honest here, professional sports and athletes, is all about themselves, not "helping others"). You don't get to be where you are, at the very top of the heap in college basketball, by having a cowtail mentality. It's the same for everything in life. No top young scientist, no emerging new actor or actress, no young politician, none of them, would want to go into the shadows...they are there and looking for front and center cause if they didn't have that mentality they wouldn't be where they are now. LaMelo Ball would be a complementary player in GS. Forget LaVar Ball. I can't see LaMelo Ball wanting it. I can't see any of the top guys wanting it with the exception of maybe James Wiseman (assuming that someone the naysayers are right and he doesn't have an alpha mentality). Any alpha mentality guy would not want GS. You want your own team, your own pack to lead. For Ball especially, he NEEDS TO LEAD (running the offense, dictating pace, executing plays, etc.) in order to be able to maximize his production on the court!!! The Knicks would be the ideal place for Ball cause of their specific needs, their lack of an existing alpha, their upward trend (yeah Knick fans, this team is upward trending), the stage, etc.

[robillionaire]

their upward trend (yeah Knick fans, this team is upward trending).

[Deeeez Knicks]

1. Ball - Hayes if we fall

2. Jalen Smith - demon of a defender and rebounder. Elite athlete with a great motor. Attacks the rim but good on the perimeter as well. He and Mitch could cause havoc.

3. Aleksej Pokusevski - I think this kid could have KP type impact.

That would be my ideal draft realistically.

I would def take that...even if we just come away with one of Ball or Hayes I would be happy...anything else is gravy.

[god shammgod]

their upward trend (yeah Knick fans, this team is upward trending).

it's gonna all depend on how far mitch & rj progress next year and how good whoever we draft is. but yeah, it's not a given. marcus morris won a bunch of games we shouldn't have won last year. who's the go to player now at the end of games ? julius again ?

if they draft this guy it will be because he can't do nothing with the ball

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yes, i just wanted to post this pic again.