Trades and Transactions thread - To the offseason!

[Richard4444]

What would it cost the knicks to trade for Aaron Gordon?

Randle’s per is higher and his contract isn’t guaranteed. He would have to be the core of the deal, but what else would it take? Maybe absorbing Aminu’s contract, or sending DSJr or some draft compensation?

i like gordon, and i'd take him if it meant unloading randle and taking on a few bad contracts. that's what the knicks should be doing: taking on bad contracts to get picks or young assets. think gordon is mid 20s. problem is, isn't he injury prone?

Aaron Gordon is a positive contract. We would have to give assets to get him. Especially if we use Randle as salary filler.

[WargamesX]

What would it cost the knicks to trade for Aaron Gordon?

Randle’s per is higher and his contract isn’t guaranteed. He would have to be the core of the deal, but what else would it take? Maybe absorbing Aminu’s contract, or sending DSJr or some draft compensation?

i like gordon, and i'd take him if it meant unloading randle and taking on a few bad contracts. that's what the knicks should be doing: taking on bad contracts to get picks or young assets. think gordon is mid 20s. problem is, isn't he injury prone?

Aaron Gordon is a positive contract. We would have to give assets to get him. Especially if we use Randle as salary filler.

Agreed, the question is what does Orlando need? They are good in the front court and that’s about it. Like Randle would be a positional glut.

[Richard4444]

Say Atlanta gets shafted in the lottery and we luck out for a top 3 pick. Any way to pry Kevin Huerter from them and still get Killian Hayes? (they could perhaps get LaMello, Edwards or Wiseman with the pick)? That would solve 2 problems for us with not much of a loss. Throw in Knox also.

No way. I am almost sure if LaMello is avaliable, he is our guy and we do not trade the pick.

I also think we would not trade down the pick if Edwards or Deni is available.

Atlanta does not want Wiseman after landing Capela. Only Detroit, Charlotte, Wizards and maybe GSW/Wolves would really want Wiseman.

[Richard4444]

i like gordon, and i'd take him if it meant unloading randle and taking on a few bad contracts. that's what the knicks should be doing: taking on bad contracts to get picks or young assets. think gordon is mid 20s. problem is, isn't he injury prone?

Aaron Gordon is a positive contract. We would have to give assets to get him. Especially if we use Randle as salary filler.

Agreed, the question is what does Orlando need? They are good in the front court and that’s about it. Like Randle would be a positional glut.

What do we have of value to give any team? Only picks... Maybe Orlando likes Frank to be Fultz backup. But he doesnt have that much value. He would have to be included in a package to get Aaron.

[Richard4444]

I fear Knicks giving much value to trade up to get LaMello. I would only think about trading up to get him if the costs is a non lottery pick. If he drops to the third or the forth pick, maybe a late FRP is the cost to trade up from 6-7th.

[Richard4444]

One thing we should explore is trading future picks for mid/late picks in this draft.

There are several teams with great payroll for next season and could have to pay a great luxury tax bill if cap space really drops. They will be looking for ways to save money at any cost and we will be willing to complete the roster with minimum salary players instead a late lottery guys who makes 2M or 3M. Some of them are small club teams that struggle operating in red.

Besides, almost all the clubs in non lottery picks are in a win now situation with an aging roster. They might prioritize sign vets with MLE than late FRPs. They have less potential but they are experienced to help them on a playoff series.

We could trade:

Detroit 2021 Second for #26 Boston 2020 pick.

Charlotte 2021 Second for #24 Utah 2020 pick.

Dallas 2023 Top 10 protected pick for #15 Orlando pick.

[BBALLER4FR]

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A bum is a bum

That...was....

*ugh*


The fact that you could find so many clips that looked EXACTLY THE SAME, is mind boggling. He never learned from the mistake and likely never will. He kept doing it over and over and over. And he had the nerve to have body language that either displayed he could care less or that it was someone else's fault he'd spin into double/triple teams and lose the ball.


*ugh*

[HarthorneWingo]

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[knickstape4ever]

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he's solid; an upgrade over Randle, but not sold. 1) he's not a true stretch-4 which is the best fit next to Mitch (Gallo and Mook are the perfect fits next to Mitch IMO, too bad neither are 25ish); shot just 2.3 3's per game. 2) a lot of his success came playing C after the Drummond trade; I dont worry about him defensively at the 4, but kinda back to point #1, I dont think his offensive fit is ideal

but better than Randle

[HarthorneWingo]

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he's solid; an upgrade over Randle, but not sold. 1) he's not a true stretch-4 which is the best fit next to Mitch (Gallo and Mook are the perfect fits next to Mitch IMO, too bad neither are 25ish); shot just 2.3 3's per game. 2) a lot of his success came playing C after the Drummond trade; I dont worry about him defensively at the 4, but kinda back to point #1, I dont think his offensive fit is ideal

but better than Randle

Sorry, couldn't resist the opportunity to post a Spinal Tap meme. (I believe this is the scene where rockumentarist "Marty Deterge" goes over the horrible reviews of their albums ... "The review of your album Shark Sandwich was simply two words, 'Shyt Sandwich'." )



With better floor spacing he'll bring he should get more open 3s. I'm not worried about trying to get an NBA to shoot more.

[WargamesX]

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This is why, while I am ok with moving Randle, we need to move him for a player that fits better, and not just dump him.

He’s not a scrub, we’re asking him to create when he should be the finisher and surrounded by better outside shooters.

[newyorker4ever]

Was looking at a mock draft..
It seems Minny is a top trade up candidate if LaMelo Ball is our target.

They don't have their 2021 pick due to the Russel trade.
They have 120mil guaranteed heading into 2021 which includes their projected 1st round pick and doesnt include retaining Juancho and Malik Beasley who they just traded for.. Also they already have their PG in D'Angelo Russell.

Would something like this be enough to move up

1st Overall
James Johnson (1 year 16mil)

for

6th Overall
27th Overall via Clippers
2021 Mavericks 1st Round Pick

I'm sure they wouldn't want to trade him but we need to try to get M.Beasley from them in any trade.

[WargamesX]

Was looking at a mock draft..
It seems Minny is a top trade up candidate if LaMelo Ball is our target.

They don't have their 2021 pick due to the Russel trade.
They have 120mil guaranteed heading into 2021 which includes their projected 1st round pick and doesnt include retaining Juancho and Malik Beasley who they just traded for.. Also they already have their PG in D'Angelo Russell.

Would something like this be enough to move up

1st Overall
James Johnson (1 year 16mil)

for

6th Overall
27th Overall via Clippers
2021 Mavericks 1st Round Pick

I'm sure they wouldn't want to trade him but we need to try to get M.Beasley from them in any trade.

First, that is too much for Lamelo Ball. Wayyyy too much for Lamelo Ball, though it would be fair if they sent Beasley along with him

[-YogiBiz-]

Speaking of Timberwolves set to become RFAs. We should sign Juan Hernangómez. I think we could steal him from Minnesota as originally he was meant to be a comp piece in the Beasley trade.

The kid played the best basketball of his career when he got starter minutes in Minn. I know this is a small sample size, but in the 14 games he started in Minnesota, he put up 12.9/7.3/1.3 on a 45.3% shooting from the field and 42% from deep. Will be 25 this season, and he wasn't total liability on D like some of the other stretch 4's on the market. We need shooting, and scoring. Why not want someone who fits the timeline of RJ, and Mitch instead of someone that's too old (Gallo, Mook) and will come cheaper than players entering/have a few years left in the primes of their career (Bertans). He will definitely come cheaper because of how he played in Denver last year (which was really bad), but he has always been a player that has played worse with less minutes on the court. I def think he could be a 15/8 guy as a starter or sixth man and would be a good fit in between RJ and Mitch for a long time. As a starter he really good shooter, good rebounder, smart team defender, decent post defender (could be average if he gets stronger). Maybe he had a case of contract-year-itis, and just played the best basketball he will ever play for those 14 games to get some mula. Bet we could steal him for around 8-13 Mil on a 3 year pact.

Only reason I want him more than Wood is, Wood is going to get a hefty offer from Detroit. No one wants to go there as a FA, and they traded Drummond to get him playing time. Idk if we should get into that sweepstakes.

[spree2kawhi]

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This is why, while I am ok with moving Randle, we need to move him for a player that fits better, and not just dump him.

He’s not a scrub, we’re asking him to create when he should be the finisher and surrounded by better outside shooters.

The biggest problems with Randle are coaching and defense obviously. He personally could only improve half of it.

[BowlRips]

Putting things together...
I do expect the Knicks to be in the market for a contract dump this offseason..
Seems Brock Aller has an influential voice in this FA and he has a history of manipulating the salary cap.
Seems Leon Rose is focused on gearing up our assets to make a big trade.
There is no one we could realistically sign that would have any future value towards a trade..
But a future first round pick from any team way high above the tax will hold strong value in future trade negotiations..
Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if they flipped the Clippers pick this year into a future 1 from someone else..
Only way we can get a star via trade is with amo. We have 2 Dallas 1st, its a good start but a third (or 4th) future 1st rounder might pay major dividends.

[Jalen Bluntson]

Putting things together...
I do expect the Knicks to be in the market for a contract dump this offseason..
Seems Brock Aller has an influential voice in this FA and he has a history of manipulating the salary cap.
Seems Leon Rose is focused on gearing up our assets to make a big trade.
There is no one we could realistically sign that would have any future value towards a trade..
But a future first round pick from any team way high above the tax will hold strong value in future trade negotiations..
Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if they flipped the Clippers pick this year into a future 1 from someone else..
Only way we can get a star via trade is with amo. We have 2 Dallas 1st, its a good start but a third (or 4th) future 1st rounder might pay major dividends.

We are gonna give up assets for a salary dump...then acquire other assets using a late FRP...to package with the assets we have left...to make a trade for....who exactly? I'm confused. We have 7 FRPs in the next 5 years as well as a few high 2RPs. How many more assets do we need to make trades?

A smart team would do whatever it takes to get a good PG...without selling the farm...and run the kids. That will most likely guarantee a high pick next year. Keep the cap flexible. Then see what is what the following off season. There is no need to go all in and try to get stats we overpay for. We aren't anywhere near ready to make win now moves of any kind.

Getting a good PG will help develop/evaluate everyone on the roster! That should be the mission...no matter who the HC is. We need to build from the ground up...yet we keep fuqqing that up with useless vets on 1 yr deals.

[Juco24]

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This is why, while I am ok with moving Randle, we need to move him for a player that fits better, and not just dump him.

He’s not a scrub, we’re asking him to create when he should be the finisher and surrounded by better outside shooters.

I agree but I'm afraid we're in the minority

[aq_ua]

Putting things together...
I do expect the Knicks to be in the market for a contract dump this offseason..
Seems Brock Aller has an influential voice in this FA and he has a history of manipulating the salary cap.
Seems Leon Rose is focused on gearing up our assets to make a big trade.
There is no one we could realistically sign that would have any future value towards a trade..
But a future first round pick from any team way high above the tax will hold strong value in future trade negotiations..
Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if they flipped the Clippers pick this year into a future 1 from someone else..
Only way we can get a star via trade is with amo. We have 2 Dallas 1st, its a good start but a third (or 4th) future 1st rounder might pay major dividends.

I would love to do a James Johnson and the Nets' first round pick, which will likely convey in 2021, as a cap dump trade. I would also an Evan Fornier and a 2021 Orlando second round pick dump trade.

[Richard4444]

Putting things together...
I do expect the Knicks to be in the market for a contract dump this offseason..
Seems Brock Aller has an influential voice in this FA and he has a history of manipulating the salary cap.
Seems Leon Rose is focused on gearing up our assets to make a big trade.
There is no one we could realistically sign that would have any future value towards a trade..
But a future first round pick from any team way high above the tax will hold strong value in future trade negotiations..
Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if they flipped the Clippers pick this year into a future 1 from someone else..
Only way we can get a star via trade is with amo. We have 2 Dallas 1st, its a good start but a third (or 4th) future 1st rounder might pay major dividends.

I would love to do a James Johnson and the Nets' first round pick, which will likely convey in 2021, as a cap dump trade. I would also an Evan Fornier and a 2021 Orlando second round pick dump trade.

Fornier has a positive value. He is shooting really good lately. We have to give them assets to trade for that guy.

I dont know Wolves really need cap space to burn a mid FRP in a salary dump deal. James Johnson is a solid rotation big. They are a small club team that doesnt attract many great FAs. They probably will not have salary cap anyway. They can do a different deal to avoid paying luxury taxes if they must. Maybe its better to sign and trade Malik or Juan than give away a 15th pick in a salary dump deal.