Trade Talk (Part Four)

[Macwolf527]

Getting Okongwu and LeVert out of this draft is my wet dream.

In this scenario, we lock KAT, DLo, Beasley, Juancho, Okongwu, and LeVert to at least three years. They all are young, talented, and can certainly improve. I am so sick of inconsistency in terms of management and development, so I would be happy to see us going in this direction for the next three years.

Hi Gang! It's been a while. Okongwu has been my choice from the beginning assuming we land at 3 or worse in the draft. Edwards and Wiseman are the only clear cut 1 and 2 picks, I would take ahead of him. If we get one of those picks, I would look to trade down to secure additional capital. Veteran help and maybe 2nd rounder in the 2021 draft. I don't see a clear cut case of drafting either Edwards or Wiseman with the top 2 picks for this team. It's going to leave an odd man out somewhere with KAT and Beasley already on the roster, but if I had to swing I would take Edwards.

I like Okongwu, because I have accepted that KAT will never be the interior presence we need because he expends to much energy on the offensive end. Okongwu is just the type of 4 we need to play along KAT. He reminds me a lot of Serge Ibaka, and if he can add that 3pt shot to his arsenal like Ibaka, it will really be a win-win.

I'm still holding out hope that Culver will figure out his shot. If he can get remotely close to the production he gave us the last 10 games of the season, he would be my choice over Okogie in the starting line-up because of his ability to create and play defense simultaneously. You need another shot creator on the wing with DLo, who can also play defense. I like Okogie better off the bench as an energy guy.

My darkhorse with the Brooklyn pick is Patrick Williams. I'm intrigue by his size, athleticism and D against the big small forwards in the league and his outside shot looks like it could develop. Plus he looks comfortable driving to he basket.

[KGdaBom]

Getting Okongwu and LeVert out of this draft is my wet dream.

In this scenario, we lock KAT, DLo, Beasley, Juancho, Okongwu, and LeVert to at least three years. They all are young, talented, and can certainly improve. I am so sick of inconsistency in terms of management and development, so I would be happy to see us going in this direction for the next three years.

Hi Gang! It's been a while. Okongwu has been my choice from the beginning assuming we land at 3 or worse in the draft. Edwards and Wiseman are the only clear cut 1 and 2 picks, I would take ahead of him. If we get one of those picks, I would look to trade down to secure additional capital. Veteran help and maybe 2nd rounder in the 2021 draft. I don't see a clear cut case of drafting either Edwards or Wiseman with the top 2 picks for this team. It's going to leave an odd man out somewhere with KAT and Beasley already on the roster, but if I had to swing I would take Edwards.

I like Okongwu, because I have accepted that KAT will never be the interior presence we need because he expends to much energy on the offensive end. Okongwu is just the type of 4 we need to play along KAT. He reminds me a lot of Serge Ibaka, and if he can add that 3pt shot to his arsenal like Ibaka, it will really be a win-win.

I'm still holding out hope that Culver will figure out his shot. If he can get remotely close to the production he gave us the last 10 games of the season, he would be my choice over Okogie in the starting line-up because of his ability to create and play defense simultaneously. You need another shot creator on the wing with DLo, who can also play defense. I like Okogie better off the bench as an energy guy.

My darkhorse with the Brooklyn pick is Patrick Williams. I'm intrigue by his size, athleticism and D against the big small forwards in the league and his outside shot looks like it could develop. Plus he looks comfortable driving to he basket.

Us Okongwu fans need a name. We're the Okongwu OK group. Musical theater nerds will get that one.
Tankathon has us picking Williams with the Brooklyn pick more often than anybody else.

[Jedzz]

Care to elaborate? I am guessing Levert is better defensively, but I would also guess that Beas is the better shooter, younger, and healthier.

It is a form of baiting spam. There is no substance to elaborate on it. He's just getting you to respond with such things. I've fell for it too many times but I'm a sucker for anyone that wants to discuss Wolves. So he and others have it easy baiting me. Demand better bait.

Jedzz your pathetic attempt to discredit me is a reflection on yourself. I answered him nicely and concisely.

Here's the subtance you responded with.

LeVert is also 2 inches taller and 18 pounds bigger.

And you only bothered with that because I dared you to. How's that feel when you are on the other end.

Levert has not been a better NBA player. You have no metric to show us to claim otherwise.
Levert is not a rebounding threat, steals threat, blocks threat, assist threat, certainly not a shooting threat yet, but he is a threat to get injured again. Is he healthy yet? Mclaughlin is more a threat going to the rim and he's a heck of a lot shorter. Eat your two inches and 18 pounds for all I care.

So these previous quotes of people and empty gauntlets thrown down that he is clearly the better player,

LeVert IMO easily better than the Bees.

and talking about your "wet dreams" of this draft (your words), is just nothing but hot air.

I have nothing against the player other than he's a danger to not finish seasons and if you want to compare him to Beasley as you have then I'll let you know what I think.

Others have suggested maybe he might be interesting at SF or in my thoughts to replace the SF Culver minutes. Basically because his most recent season out of four seasons now he got his 3pt up to 38% in a partial 39 gane season. What did you call that for Beasley, "small sample size"? Heed your own words.

[KGdaBom]

It is a form of baiting spam. There is no substance to elaborate on it. He's just getting you to respond with such things. I've fell for it too many times but I'm a sucker for anyone that wants to discuss Wolves. So he and others have it easy baiting me. Demand better bait.

Jedzz your pathetic attempt to discredit me is a reflection on yourself. I answered him nicely and concisely.

Here's the subtance you responded with.

LeVert is also 2 inches taller and 18 pounds bigger.

And you only bothered with that because I dared you to. How's that feel when you are on the other end.

Levert has not been a better NBA player. You have no metric to show us to claim otherwise.
Levert is not a rebounding threat, steals threat, blocks threat, assist threat, certainly not a shooting threat yet, but he is a threat to get injured again. Is he healthy yet? Mclaughlin is more a threat going to the rim and he's a heck of a lot shorter. Eat your two inches and 18 pounds for all I care.

So these previous quotes of people and empty gauntlets thrown down that he is clearly the better player,

LeVert IMO easily better than the Bees.

and talking about your "wet dreams" of this draft (your words), is just nothing but hot air.

I have nothing against the player other than he's a danger to not finish seasons and if you want to compare him to Beasley as you have then I'll let you know what I think.

Others have suggested maybe he might be interesting at SF or in my thoughts to replace the SF Culver minutes. Basically because his most recent season out of four seasons now he got his 3pt up to 38% in a partial 39 gane season. What did you call that for Beasley, "small sample size"? Heed your own words.

Jedzz you actually are a pretty smart guy the way you defend your positions, but you also are very confrontational in how you go about it. However, when you debate me you throw that intellect out the window. About the only thing that Beasley is better at on the court is the 3 point shooting on limited sample size. You are this big fan of Beasley and that's fine. He seems like he will be pretty good. LeVert does have the history of injuries which could be a non issue going forward. Every other basketball skill LeVert is better than Beasley. You know it. It would just kill you to agree with me so you won't. I've even given some of your posts a plus one recently. I don't hold grudges, but a lot of people are very tired of your extremely confrontational manner.

[Jedzz]

Jedzz you actually are a pretty smart guy the way you defend your positions, but you also are very confrontational in how you go about it.

I'm confrontational to snakes in the grass. You've pulled snaky snot on me multiple times, don't deny it. Your Levert bs is bs, that's just the facts. You can have it as your opinion all you want, just get ready to be denied.

[KGdaBom]

Jedzz you actually are a pretty smart guy the way you defend your positions, but you also are very confrontational in how you go about it.

I'm confrontational to snakes in the grass. You've pulled snaky snot on me multiple times, don't deny it. Your Levert bs is bs, that's just the facts. You can have it as your opinion all you want, just get ready to be denied.

You're making a fool of yourself. I've never once pulled anything sneaky or snakey on you. Klomp, despite your being a snake in the grass to him all the time, has treated you with nothing, but respect. LeVert is a very good player. He's not BS. Stop embarrassing yourself and start responding to your fellow posters in a respectful manner.

[minimus]

BS as usual wrote about Aminu for Culver, Evans trade

https://dunkingwithwolves.com/2020/07/19/b-r-lists-al-farouq-aminu-target-minnesota-timberwolves/

While Aminu for Culver, Evans is clearly an awful trade, I'd try to do following:

Aminu, #15 for Culver, Evans, Nowell

Why for ORL: even before injury Aminu was a bad fit in ORL. Now he is a negative contract at PF position where ORL have better players in Gordon and Isaac. They don't have star power at wings, they could use Culver and Nowell and develop them into solid players.

Why for MIN: Aminu played for Vanterpool in POR as defensive minded big, as we can see Rosas listens David and a few POR players had a chance to play for MIN (Layman, Crabbe). Aminu is a veteran who could help our young players to develop. He also has two years in contract left, and might become an expiring in 2021-22 season

Second trade is JJ for GSW TPE.
Third trade is #15, #16, Spellman for #5

Draft Hayes, Vassell, Xaiver Tillman

KAT(30)/Reid(10)/Tillman(8))
Aminu(15)/Juancho(25)/Vanderbilt(8)
Vassell(25)/Layman(20)/Martin(3)
Beasley(25)/Okogie(20)/DLo(3)
DLo(25)/Hayes(15)/JMac(8)

Why it might work: a healthy Aminu + Vassell duo should be good enough to make us an average defensive unit. With KAT/Reid/Tillman at С and DLo/Hayes/JMac at PG we would stabilize team backbone, we create an axis which can be used to implement different schemes.

[SO_MONEY]

BS as usual wrote about Aminu for Culver, Evans trade

https://dunkingwithwolves.com/2020/07/19/b-r-lists-al-farouq-aminu-target-minnesota-timberwolves/

While Aminu for Culver, Evans is clearly an awful trade, I'd try to do following:

Aminu, #15 for Culver, Evans, Nowell

Why for ORL: even before injury Aminu was a bad fit in ORL. Now he is a negative contract at PF position where ORL have better players in Gordon and Isaac. They don't have star power at wings, they could use Culver and Nowell and develop them into solid players.

Why for MIN: Aminu played for Vanterpool in POR as defensive minded big, as we can see Rosas listens David and a few POR players had a chance to play for MIN (Layman, Crabbe). Aminu is a veteran who could help our young players to develop. He also has two years in contract left, and might become an expiring in 2021-22 season

Second trade is JJ for GSW TPE.
Third trade is #15, #16, Spellman for #5

Draft Hayes, Vassell, Xaiver Tillman

KAT(30)/Reid(10)/Tillman(8))
Aminu(15)/Juancho(25)/Vanderbilt(8)
Vassell(25)/Layman(20)/Martin(3)
Beasley(25)/Okogie(20)/DLo(3)
DLo(25)/Hayes(15)/JMac(8)

Why it might work: a healthy Aminu + Vassell duo should be good enough to make us an average defensive unit. With KAT/Reid/Tillman at С and DLo/Hayes/JMac at PG we would stabilize team backbone, we create an axis which can be used to implement different schemes.

Nowell might be a stud, for Aminu? Culver...selling way too low. The whole deal like most of yours is DOA.

[yawner]

Those of you who keep posting faketrades of Culver deserve to be banned. ASAP.

Yes, his ROOKIE season, when it comes to shooting, was a bloody disaster. But he showed promise in the defensive end of the court. If he fixes his free throw shooting and 3 point shooting mechanics, he could be a great 3 & D wing with very good IQ, passing and etc. As far as I know, he works very hard. And to improve shooting that´s what is needed. His shooting mechanics are so broken, that I can´t but think is fixable. I know that it sounds absurd. But I would be more worried about this, if he were a sixtysomething shooter from the free thrwow line and his 3 poing shooting mechanics looked good but only scored 30% of them.

To be willing to trade him without giving him time to prove if he can develop his game, is nuts.

I try not to judge players that have only been in the NBA for 2 seasons. Players, people, need time to adapt to a new and harder competition while improving their game. Patience is a good thing to have.



Point 2.

I´ve seen many faketrades in which Beasley is traded in a S&T trade along with other players and draftpicks to other teams. That, as far as I know, is not possible. The Wolves could add nothing in such a trade.

For example:
S&T Beasley (13 millions per season) for Aaron Gordon, would be viable.
S&T Beasley (13 millions per season) + James Johnson + draft picks for Booker, would not be viable.



Point 3.

As a mean for the Wolves to dodge luxury tax, and considering that apparently no team would want to claim Spellman or Evans from waivers, I think that to use the stretch provision on Evans´contract would be the way to go. That would make the Timberwolves dive around 700.000 dollars under the tax line this season. Perhaps giving them the chance to sign Jordan McLaughlin to a new contract.

For next season, it would give the Wolves a bit of more cap room and it would free a roster spot too (which is important considering how many players will be under contract next season). In the following 3 season it would eat nearly 800.000 dollars of cap space per season, though. But considering that by that time the Timberwolves should be a good playoffs team, it would not hurt much since it´s very likely that the team would pay tax anyway.

[minimus]

Those of you who keep posting faketrades of Culver deserve to be banned. ASAP.

I will ban myself from this board. I promise.

[Neeva]

LeVert IMO easily better than the Bees.

Care to elaborate? I am guessing Levert is better defensively, but I would also guess that Beas is the better shooter, younger, and healthier.

The only thing Beasley is probably better at is 3 point shooting (small sample). LeVert is a better slasher/scorer/ballhandler/passer/rebounder and defender. Easily a better player. Factor in Age and health and we may be better off with Bees, but when on the court playing there is no contest.

LeVert is also 2 inches taller and 18 pounds bigger.

lavert two years older
Gladly take Beas on a better contract thank you.

[yawner]

Those of you who keep posting faketrades of Culver deserve to be banned. ASAP.

I will ban myself from this board. I promise.

Yes, seppuku is suitable.

[NebWolvesFan]

Care to elaborate? I am guessing Levert is better defensively, but I would also guess that Beas is the better shooter, younger, and healthier.

The only thing Beasley is probably better at is 3 point shooting (small sample). LeVert is a better slasher/scorer/ballhandler/passer/rebounder and defender. Easily a better player. Factor in Age and health and we may be better off with Bees, but when on the court playing there is no contest.

LeVert is also 2 inches taller and 18 pounds bigger.

lavert two years older
Gladly take Beas on a better contract thank you.

LaVert seems a little overrated. When you look at his stats, you expect them to be better. He gets hurt a lot. I want to like him, but I feel like if Minnesota got him, we would eventually be dissapointed.

[Klomp]

I was watching an Aaron Gordon dunk reel and realized some of his best plays are ones where he was used similarly to how Minnesota uses its PFs. I feel like his only real poor fit here is concerning 3-point shooting. I'm a little more intrigued today about acquiring him than I was a couple of days ago.

[KGdaBom]

Care to elaborate? I am guessing Levert is better defensively, but I would also guess that Beas is the better shooter, younger, and healthier.

The only thing Beasley is probably better at is 3 point shooting (small sample). LeVert is a better slasher/scorer/ballhandler/passer/rebounder and defender. Easily a better player. Factor in Age and health and we may be better off with Bees, but when on the court playing there is no contest.

LeVert is also 2 inches taller and 18 pounds bigger.

lavert two years older
Gladly take Beas on a better contract thank you.

I was discussing who was better. LeVert is better. As for age, contract, injury history Bees could very well be the better asset. Let's see what we can sign him for.

[KGdaBom]

BS as usual wrote about Aminu for Culver, Evans trade

https://dunkingwithwolves.com/2020/07/19/b-r-lists-al-farouq-aminu-target-minnesota-timberwolves/

While Aminu for Culver, Evans is clearly an awful trade, I'd try to do following:

Aminu, #15 for Culver, Evans, Nowell

Why for ORL: even before injury Aminu was a bad fit in ORL. Now he is a negative contract at PF position where ORL have better players in Gordon and Isaac. They don't have star power at wings, they could use Culver and Nowell and develop them into solid players.

Why for MIN: Aminu played for Vanterpool in POR as defensive minded big, as we can see Rosas listens David and a few POR players had a chance to play for MIN (Layman, Crabbe). Aminu is a veteran who could help our young players to develop. He also has two years in contract left, and might become an expiring in 2021-22 season

Second trade is JJ for GSW TPE.
Third trade is #15, #16, Spellman for #5

Draft Hayes, Vassell, Xaiver Tillman

KAT(30)/Reid(10)/Tillman(8))
Aminu(15)/Juancho(25)/Vanderbilt(8)
Vassell(25)/Layman(20)/Martin(3)
Beasley(25)/Okogie(20)/DLo(3)
DLo(25)/Hayes(15)/JMac(8)I

Why it might work: a healthy Aminu + Vassell duo should be good enough to make us an average defensive unit. With KAT/Reid/Tillman at С and DLo/Hayes/JMac at PG we would stabilize team backbone, we create an axis which can be used to implement different schemes.

I hate it. Maybe if it was a #6 pick where we got Culver.

[shangrila]

I was watching an Aaron Gordon dunk reel and realized some of his best plays are ones where he was used similarly to how Minnesota uses its PFs. I feel like his only real poor fit here is concerning 3-point shooting. I'm a little more intrigued today about acquiring him than I was a couple of days ago.

I made a long post about this a while ago but, since the old thread is locked, I can't just quote it to make things easy.

The TLDR was that Gordon has historically been a decent shooter on wide open shots (6+ft from nearest defender, over 38% the previous 2 seasons but dropped to 32% this one. Link). The intriguing part is that in Orlando that only makes up 15% of his shots but in Minnesota Juancho (his closest comparison in terms of role) had 24% of his shots from that type, which is good because those previous two seasons when his shooting %s were better? He had between 20-25% of his shots from there.

So basically he's a better shooter on shots we generate more of than Orlando does. He's not going to be a sniper and I do think if you get him either Okogie has to significantly improve his shooting or move on, but he should be good enough in his role to be valuable to us on that end (saying nothing of his impact defensively).

[Neeva]

Who would be a better forward for the wolves Gordon or Kuzma?

[Jedzz]

Who would be a better forward for the wolves Gordon or Kuzma?

Are you talking in addition Juancho? Is Kuzma really any kind of upgrade from Juancho? Seems a little sideways to me. Where Gordon brings some things a little different or additional in the form of size/defense/above the rim playing.

[old school 34]

BS as usual wrote about Aminu for Culver, Evans trade

https://dunkingwithwolves.com/2020/07/19/b-r-lists-al-farouq-aminu-target-minnesota-timberwolves/

While Aminu for Culver, Evans is clearly an awful trade, I'd try to do following:

Aminu, #15 for Culver, Evans, Nowell

Why for ORL: even before injury Aminu was a bad fit in ORL. Now he is a negative contract at PF position where ORL have better players in Gordon and Isaac. They don't have star power at wings, they could use Culver and Nowell and develop them into solid players.

Why for MIN: Aminu played for Vanterpool in POR as defensive minded big, as we can see Rosas listens David and a few POR players had a chance to play for MIN (Layman, Crabbe). Aminu is a veteran who could help our young players to develop. He also has two years in contract left, and might become an expiring in 2021-22 season

Second trade is JJ for GSW TPE.
Third trade is #15, #16, Spellman for #5

Draft Hayes, Vassell, Xaiver Tillman

KAT(30)/Reid(10)/Tillman(8))
Aminu(15)/Juancho(25)/Vanderbilt(8)
Vassell(25)/Layman(20)/Martin(3)
Beasley(25)/Okogie(20)/DLo(3)
DLo(25)/Hayes(15)/JMac(8)I

Why it might work: a healthy Aminu + Vassell duo should be good enough to make us an average defensive unit. With KAT/Reid/Tillman at С and DLo/Hayes/JMac at PG we would stabilize team backbone, we create an axis which can be used to implement different schemes.

I hate it. Maybe if it was a #6 pick where we got Culver.

Most likely Aminu is more just noise, but got me thinking some? In getting AG (assuming Booker not coming this offseason & means we're resigning Beasley which I'm good with) done then...my concern is GSW driving the price up....if they're offering TE & top 5 pick that gets more expensive than I'd prefer going....& I throw JJ into any deal like that but his vet presence is probably real....so with that in mind, would we consider:

MIN gets...Aminu and AG for JJ, Spellman, Evans, Culver, and 16 (or our top 5 & get their 15 back?)

Why for them...get their pf glut moved...& being able to dump Aminu is something GSW can't offer...could put some of the 1+3 contracts in there instead as well if they wanted to create some immediate salary space?

For us...Culver obviously didn't have a great rookie year & will obviously improve (just to what degree is the risk) could replace in draft with say Vassell and maybe not perfect but could roll with both Aminu & AG as starters @ 3&4...Aminu provide some vet leadership (that JJ offered & understanding of Vanterpool's system) & then a year later could be valuable expiring trade chip again?...neither great 3 pt shooters but have Layman & juancho providing that off bench?

DLo/JMac/
Beasley/Okogie/
Aminu/Layman/Vassell
Gordon/Juancho/Vanderbilt
KAT/Naz/

Still have 2nd rounder, Martin, Nowell (if not thrown in as filler), and mid-level to fill remaining spots...think I could warm to something like that...while not sure how much Aminu has left in the tank...if taking his last two years off their hands...i think we could still find value with him taking a roster spot?

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