2020 Offseason Speculation, free agency, summer trades (keep draft prospect talk in draft thread)

[Ghost of Kleine]

Without knowing what the cap will look like it's impossible to know what guys will command in FA. There's a real chance of a significant drop and if that happens like 90% of the league won't have more than the mle for FAs. And that's assuming this bubble works and the season finishes... if things go to hell it will be nuclear for the cap for years.

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My bad I guess.....lol.

I should have included the premise to be that the best guesstimate for the cap is around a 6 million drop as speculated by a few reporting agencies?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/nba.nbcsports.com/2020/06/21/report-nba-salary-cap-to-remain-roughly-flat-at-109-million-next-season/amp/

The expectation is that the NBA will set the cap at roughly the same level as this year – $109 million, with a tax line of $123 million –

But if it's definitely as you say, And around 90% of the nba teams will only have the MLE available to offer, Then operating within that premise, should we reasonably assume that most players with players options would then just take their qualifying offers? But still, For the actual unrestricted free agents, Wouldn't that then actually play to our benefit overall still in free agency, As we'd still be one of the few teams with available cap space to offer, Should the few other teams not be in the market for power forwards, Thus saturating the market?

Basically meaning that we should have a really solid opportunity to potentially pay less than what the normal market value may command for those listed unrestricted free agents? I think that if it plays out this way, With there being only a few other competitive offers from the limited number of teams with available cap space, Then we should at the very least be able to come away with one or two ( If cleverly planned) key free agency additions that under normal circumstances we obviously couldn't afford.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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If we can add this kid sometimes in a future draft, Then we can have a Sam Johnson next to Cam Johnson And maintain two Johnsons on the roster.....

[Walt_Uoob]

How would you guys prioritize the list of available free agent power forwards in this list in terms of best overall fit/ benefit? And how much money would/ should we committ to sign them?

1- Danilo Gallinari.
2- Davis Bertrans.
3- Serge Ibaka.
4- Paul Milsapp.
5- Derrick Favors.
6- Dario Saric.
7- Christian Wood.

And just for fun, Which point guard prospect in our projected draft range would fit best with each free agent power forward option? And within the scheme of our team overall?

1. Wood (Best player on the list, I think a team will throw a lot of money at him and rightfully so. He and Ayton would be great, but maybe too big and we probably cannot afford)

2a. Serge (Probably stays in Toronto, but I like the fit hopefully we can get him at the right price. Our defense would be scary good)

2b. Gallo (Think he will be overpaid for his age, but if the price is right im all for it and he is close with Booker)

4a. Bertans (On a roughly 15m/year deal I love the idea of Bertans coming off the bench for us)

4b. Dario (With Dario looking in great shape, I would love to see him perform well in Orlando and allow us to focus on getting a 3rd scoring/creating guard. Also would be very affordable. I like Dario)

6. Milsap (Good fit off the bench. Would not pay him a lot unless it is 1 year deal. Would prefer Dario)

7. Favors (Don't like the fit unless Baynes is not coming back)

I'm not totally stoked about any of these guys, but would like to have some of them at the right price, so it all comes down to what that price is.
1. Wood, but only if we can get a bargain due to other teams not having cap space and him not wanting to sign with Pistons long-term.
2a. Saric on a multi-year deal for <$10m per year. That's a good price for a backup big and could be a huge bargain if he keeps improving (I keep forgetting he's 26 and just entering his prime)
2b. Saric at his qualifying offer, especially if that means we can exceed the cap the following summer to re-sign him if desired (I can't find a straight answer on whether we keep his bird rights if he signs the QO, but it seems so)
3a-c. Gallo/Serge/Millsap if it's a one-year overpay. I don't want to lock up long-term money on any of them.

That's about it. Not into paying "full price" for Wood, or multiple years for any of the elder statesmen.

[Walt_Uoob]

Wood and Saric are in really interesting positions this summer. They're only 24 and 26 respectively, but have both been waiting for years for their first "real" NBA contract. Saric because he was originally a draft-and-stash, Wood because he's been a journeyman until blowing up in a starting role on a bad team this year. But of course the cap situation and the future of the league and the whole freaking economy are really questionable right now. Would Saric bet on himself and take the QO in this environment after being underpaid already for so many years? How much of a bidding war actually happens for Wood considering he hasn't really proven himself over a sustained period and teams will be proceeding with caution?

[Ghost of Kleine]

How would you guys prioritize the list of available free agent power forwards in this list in terms of best overall fit/ benefit? And how much money would/ should we committ to sign them?

1- Danilo Gallinari.
2- Davis Bertrans.
3- Serge Ibaka.
4- Paul Milsapp.
5- Derrick Favors.
6- Dario Saric.
7- Christian Wood.

And just for fun, Which point guard prospect in our projected draft range would fit best with each free agent power forward option? And within the scheme of our team overall?

1. Wood (Best player on the list, I think a team will throw a lot of money at him and rightfully so. He and Ayton would be great, but maybe too big and we probably cannot afford)

2a. Serge (Probably stays in Toronto, but I like the fit hopefully we can get him at the right price. Our defense would be scary good)

2b. Gallo (Think he will be overpaid for his age, but if the price is right im all for it and he is close with Booker)

4a. Bertans (On a roughly 15m/year deal I love the idea of Bertans coming off the bench for us)

4b. Dario (With Dario looking in great shape, I would love to see him perform well in Orlando and allow us to focus on getting a 3rd scoring/creating guard. Also would be very affordable. I like Dario)

6. Milsap (Good fit off the bench. Would not pay him a lot unless it is 1 year deal. Would prefer Dario)

7. Favors (Don't like the fit unless Baynes is not coming back)

I'm not totally stoked about any of these guys, but would like to have some of them at the right price, so it all comes down to what that price is.
1. Wood, but only if we can get a bargain due to other teams not having cap space and him not wanting to sign with Pistons long-term.
2a. Saric on a multi-year deal for <$10m per year. That's a good price for a backup big and could be a huge bargain if he keeps improving (I keep forgetting he's 26 and just entering his prime)
2b. Saric at his qualifying offer, especially if that means we can exceed the cap the following summer to re-sign him if desired (I can't find a straight answer on whether we keep his bird rights if he signs the QO, but it seems so)
3a-c. Gallo/Serge/Millsap if it's a one-year overpay. I don't want to lock up long-term money on any of them.

That's about it. Not into paying "full price" for Wood, or multiple years for any of the elder statesmen.

You're definitely right that everything depends upon the pricetag that we'll be committing to. There will be a few teams still with quite a bit more cap space than us even.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/sports.yahoo.com/amphtml/what-the-2020-nba-offseason-landscape-could-look-like-161731289.html

Cap space teams

Six NBA teams project to have cap space at $109 million. They just project to have a little bit less than originally thought.

Atlanta Hawks: $43.2 million

New York Knicks: $41.5 million

Detroit Pistons: $28.2 million

Charlotte Hornets: $22.5 million

Miami Heat: $20.9 million

Phoenix Suns: $18.9 million

1- With Christian Wood, I honestly don't see the pistons letting him go. And currently, With them having around 28 million, I don't see any way they'd allow us to steal him. I do like him though.

2- As for Saric, I just don't see him as a starting option for us. Whatever the core reason, He's unfortunately shown to be woefully unathletic and slow footed for a guy whose 6'10 only 225 lbs. And still only 26. I wouldn't mind him coming back to be a backup 4 ( his best role I think) and I would give him his qualifying offer, But not much more honestly, Unless he can show great overall improvement in both his conditioning as well as his consistency. Otherwise, Kaminsky is a more reasonable and cost effective option to bring back on his team option for a backup role. But both of their inabilities to provide even passable defense is also going to factor into our considerations.

3- (A) Gallo, IF we move Oubre for space and other assets, Then I'd be willing to offer up to 60/3. But push for 54/3 IF the market is shallow.
(B) Ibaka, I'd offer him up to 28/2.
( C) Milsapp, I'd offer him up to 26/2 But push for 22/2 Due to age, Market value.

4- Derrick Favors, ( Regardless of Baynes) I'd offer him around up to 20/2.

Overall to be honest, IF we move Oubre for space and assets, I'm pursuing Gallo hardcore with an offer up to 48/2. He's my top target, Due to his still elite floor spacing ability, But also for his long term friendship to Booker and his family. Bertrans is my number 2 target due to his elite floor spacing abilities, And I'd be willing to offer up to 42/3 for him. Jerami Grant would be 3rd on my list also at 42/3 tops. But I don't see him NOT taking his qualifying offer and trying his luck in 2021 free agency, Wherein he could get much more money. If we keep Oubre, I still would go hard after Bertrans as my # 1 target. Move Oubre to the 3, Bridges to the 2, And then have Booker split time with Rubio at the 1. *** trade the 10th pick to Detroit for Kennard, And then buy a late first early 2nd round pick and draft Paul Reed. So our roster would then look something like this:

- Booker/ Rubio/ Carter.
- Bridges/ Kennard/ Jerome.
- Oubre/ Reed/ Cam.
- Bertrans/ Cam/ Reed.
- Ayton/ Baynes/ Kaminsky.

OR
I would simply trade back with Dallas, The 10 for Delon Wright and the 18.
18- Draft Paul Reed. Purchase a 2nd from Philly ( 34).
34- Draft Daniel Oturu or Vernon Carey ( Baynes insurance policy). In free agency, Sign Bertrans for 42/3. And then Justin Holiday with our exception. So this roster looks like:

- Rubio/ Wright/ Carter.
- Booker/ Holiday/ Jerome.
- Bridges/Cam / Reed.
- Oubre/ Bertrans/ Kaminsky.
-Ayton/ Baynes/ Oturu.

[Crives]

1. Wood (Best player on the list, I think a team will throw a lot of money at him and rightfully so. He and Ayton would be great, but maybe too big and we probably cannot afford)

2a. Serge (Probably stays in Toronto, but I like the fit hopefully we can get him at the right price. Our defense would be scary good)

2b. Gallo (Think he will be overpaid for his age, but if the price is right im all for it and he is close with Booker)

4a. Bertans (On a roughly 15m/year deal I love the idea of Bertans coming off the bench for us)

4b. Dario (With Dario looking in great shape, I would love to see him perform well in Orlando and allow us to focus on getting a 3rd scoring/creating guard. Also would be very affordable. I like Dario)

6. Milsap (Good fit off the bench. Would not pay him a lot unless it is 1 year deal. Would prefer Dario)

7. Favors (Don't like the fit unless Baynes is not coming back)

I'm not totally stoked about any of these guys, but would like to have some of them at the right price, so it all comes down to what that price is.
1. Wood, but only if we can get a bargain due to other teams not having cap space and him not wanting to sign with Pistons long-term.
2a. Saric on a multi-year deal for <$10m per year. That's a good price for a backup big and could be a huge bargain if he keeps improving (I keep forgetting he's 26 and just entering his prime)
2b. Saric at his qualifying offer, especially if that means we can exceed the cap the following summer to re-sign him if desired (I can't find a straight answer on whether we keep his bird rights if he signs the QO, but it seems so)
3a-c. Gallo/Serge/Millsap if it's a one-year overpay. I don't want to lock up long-term money on any of them.

That's about it. Not into paying "full price" for Wood, or multiple years for any of the elder statesmen.

You're definitely right that everything depends upon the pricetag that we'll be committing to. There will be a few teams still with quite a bit more cap space than us even.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/sports.yahoo.com/amphtml/what-the-2020-nba-offseason-landscape-could-look-like-161731289.html

Cap space teams

Six NBA teams project to have cap space at $109 million. They just project to have a little bit less than originally thought.

Atlanta Hawks: $43.2 million

New York Knicks: $41.5 million

Detroit Pistons: $28.2 million

Charlotte Hornets: $22.5 million

Miami Heat: $20.9 million

Phoenix Suns: $18.9 million

1- With Christian Wood, I honestly don't see the pistons letting him go. And currently, With them having around 28 million, I don't see any way they'd allow us to steal him. I do like him though.

2- As for Saric, I just don't see him as a starting option for us. Whatever the core reason, He's unfortunately shown to be woefully unathletic and slow footed for a guy whose 6'10 only 225 lbs. And still only 26. I wouldn't mind him coming back to be a backup 4 ( his best role I think) and I would give him his qualifying offer, But not much more honestly, Unless he can show great overall improvement in both his conditioning as well as his consistency. Otherwise, Kaminsky is a more reasonable and cost effective option to bring back on his team option for a backup role. But both of their inabilities to provide even passable defense is also going to factor into our considerations.

3- (A) Gallo, IF we move Oubre for space and other assets, Then I'd be willing to offer up to 60/3. But push for 54/3 IF the market is shallow.
(B) Ibaka, I'd offer him up to 28/2.
( C) Milsapp, I'd offer him up to 26/2 But push for 22/2 Due to age, Market value.

4- Derrick Favors, ( Regardless of Baynes) I'd offer him around up to 20/2.

Overall to be honest, IF we move Oubre for space and assets, I'm pursuing Gallo hardcore with an offer up to 48/2. He's my top target, Due to his still elite floor spacing ability, But also for his long term friendship to Booker and his family. Bertrans is my number 2 target due to his elite floor spacing abilities, And I'd be willing to offer up to 42/3 for him. Jerami Grant would be 3rd on my list also at 42/3 tops. But I don't see him NOT taking his qualifying offer and trying his luck in 2021 free agency, Wherein he could get much more money. If we keep Oubre, I still would go hard after Bertrans as my # 1 target. Move Oubre to the 3, Bridges to the 2, And then have Booker split time with Rubio at the 1. *** trade the 10th pick to Detroit for Kennard, And then buy a late first early 2nd round pick and draft Paul Reed. So our roster would then look something like this:

- Booker/ Rubio/ Carter.
- Bridges/ Kennard/ Jerome.
- Oubre/ Reed/ Cam.
- Bertrans/ Cam/ Reed.
- Ayton/ Baynes/ Kaminsky.

OR
I would simply trade back with Dallas, The 10 for Delon Wright and the 18.
18- Draft Paul Reed. Purchase a 2nd from Philly ( 34).
34- Draft Daniel Oturu or Vernon Carey ( Baynes insurance policy). In free agency, Sign Bertrans for 42/3. And then Justin Holiday with our exception. So this roster looks like:

- Rubio/ Wright/ Carter.
- Booker/ Holiday/ Jerome.
- Bridges/Cam / Reed.
- Oubre/ Bertrans/ Kaminsky.
-Ayton/ Baynes/ Oturu.

Pretty easy for Wood to leave if he doesn’t want to sign up for the beginning of a rebuild

[Ghost of Kleine]

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I'm not totally stoked about any of these guys, but would like to have some of them at the right price, so it all comes down to what that price is.
1. Wood, but only if we can get a bargain due to other teams not having cap space and him not wanting to sign with Pistons long-term.
2a. Saric on a multi-year deal for <$10m per year. That's a good price for a backup big and could be a huge bargain if he keeps improving (I keep forgetting he's 26 and just entering his prime)
2b. Saric at his qualifying offer, especially if that means we can exceed the cap the following summer to re-sign him if desired (I can't find a straight answer on whether we keep his bird rights if he signs the QO, but it seems so)
3a-c. Gallo/Serge/Millsap if it's a one-year overpay. I don't want to lock up long-term money on any of them.

That's about it. Not into paying "full price" for Wood, or multiple years for any of the elder statesmen.

You're definitely right that everything depends upon the pricetag that we'll be committing to. There will be a few teams still with quite a bit more cap space than us even.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/sports.yahoo.com/amphtml/what-the-2020-nba-offseason-landscape-could-look-like-161731289.html

Cap space teams

Six NBA teams project to have cap space at $109 million. They just project to have a little bit less than originally thought.

Atlanta Hawks: $43.2 million

New York Knicks: $41.5 million

Detroit Pistons: $28.2 million

Charlotte Hornets: $22.5 million

Miami Heat: $20.9 million

Phoenix Suns: $18.9 million

1- With Christian Wood, I honestly don't see the pistons letting him go. And currently, With them having around 28 million, I don't see any way they'd allow us to steal him. I do like him though.

2- As for Saric, I just don't see him as a starting option for us. Whatever the core reason, He's unfortunately shown to be woefully unathletic and slow footed for a guy whose 6'10 only 225 lbs. And still only 26. I wouldn't mind him coming back to be a backup 4 ( his best role I think) and I would give him his qualifying offer, But not much more honestly, Unless he can show great overall improvement in both his conditioning as well as his consistency. Otherwise, Kaminsky is a more reasonable and cost effective option to bring back on his team option for a backup role. But both of their inabilities to provide even passable defense is also going to factor into our considerations.

3- (A) Gallo, IF we move Oubre for space and other assets, Then I'd be willing to offer up to 60/3. But push for 54/3 IF the market is shallow.
(B) Ibaka, I'd offer him up to 28/2.
( C) Milsapp, I'd offer him up to 26/2 But push for 22/2 Due to age, Market value.

4- Derrick Favors, ( Regardless of Baynes) I'd offer him around up to 20/2.

Overall to be honest, IF we move Oubre for space and assets, I'm pursuing Gallo hardcore with an offer up to 48/2. He's my top target, Due to his still elite floor spacing ability, But also for his long term friendship to Booker and his family. Bertrans is my number 2 target due to his elite floor spacing abilities, And I'd be willing to offer up to 42/3 for him. Jerami Grant would be 3rd on my list also at 42/3 tops. But I don't see him NOT taking his qualifying offer and trying his luck in 2021 free agency, Wherein he could get much more money. If we keep Oubre, I still would go hard after Bertrans as my # 1 target. Move Oubre to the 3, Bridges to the 2, And then have Booker split time with Rubio at the 1. *** trade the 10th pick to Detroit for Kennard, And then buy a late first early 2nd round pick and draft Paul Reed. So our roster would then look something like this:

- Booker/ Rubio/ Carter.
- Bridges/ Kennard/ Jerome.
- Oubre/ Reed/ Cam.
- Bertrans/ Cam/ Reed.
- Ayton/ Baynes/ Kaminsky.

OR
I would simply trade back with Dallas, The 10 for Delon Wright and the 18.
18- Draft Paul Reed. Purchase a 2nd from Philly ( 34).
34- Draft Daniel Oturu or Vernon Carey ( Baynes insurance policy). In free agency, Sign Bertrans for 42/3. And then Justin Holiday with our exception. So this roster looks like:

- Rubio/ Wright/ Carter.
- Booker/ Holiday/ Jerome.
- Bridges/Cam / Reed.
- Oubre/ Bertrans/ Kaminsky.
-Ayton/ Baynes/ Oturu.

Pretty easy for Wood to leave if he doesn’t want to sign up for the beginning of a rebuild[/quote]

Maybe, But this would also be his first real opportunity at securing a big payday too right? I mean for a guy who's bounced around the league a bit, Securing his first big contract might also be important to him no???

However, I would absolutely like to get him IF at all possible of course. How much would you assume we'd have to realistically offer him, For them to actually let him walk? Again, Taking into consideration that they also have around 8 million more cap space than us too.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Just a thought proposal guys, To gauge interest? What IF we do one of these 2 scenarios:

1- Phoenix/Detroit( Revisit the Kennard trade).
Phoenix trades the 10th pick to Detroit for Luke Kennard. Then we Buy an early 2nd from Philly (34) And draft Paul Reed.
Next, In free agency, We sign Bertrans for 42/3. And also Justin Holiday with our exception.

- First unit becomes: Booker/Bridges/Oubre/Bertans/Ayton.
- 2nd unit becomes: Rubio/ Kennard/Holiday/ Cam/ Baynes.
- 3rd unit becomes: Carter/ Jerome/ Cam/ Reed/ Kaminsky.

2- Phoenix/ Philly/ Detroit-
- Phoenix sends the 10th pick to Philly for Josh Richardson and the 22nd and 34th picks.
- Phoenix then sends Josh Richardson/ Kelly Oubre/ a 2023 TOP 6 lottery protected first to Detroit for Luke Kennard And Christian Wood *** (resigned and traded at 36/3)
22- Phoenix drafts Tyler Bey. ( backup lock down defensive 3/4).
34- Phoenix drafts Daniel Oturu. ( Baynes insurance).
*** In free agency, Phoenix also signs Justin Holiday for 15/3.
Would you guys be willing to pay this much to guarantee both getting both of Kennard and Wood?

First unit-
- Rubio/Booker/Bridges/Wood/ Ayton.

2nd unit-
- Kennard/ Holiday/ Bey/Cam/Baynes.

3rd unit-
- Carter/ Jerome/ Cam/ Bey/ Oturu.

[jredsaz]

Just a thought proposal guys, To gauge interest? What IF we do one of these 2 scenarios:

1- Phoenix/Detroit( Revisit the Kennard trade).
Phoenix trades the 10th pick to Detroit for Luke Kennard. Then we Buy an early 2nd from Philly (34) And draft Paul Reed.
Next, In free agency, We sign Bertrans for 42/3. And also Justin Holiday with our exception.

- First unit becomes: Booker/Bridges/Oubre/Bertans/Ayton.
- 2nd unit becomes: Rubio/ Kennard/Holiday/ Cam/ Baynes.
- 3rd unit becomes: Carter/ Jerome/ Cam/ Reed/ Kaminsky.

2- Phoenix/ Philly/ Detroit-
- Phoenix sends the 10th pick to Philly for Josh Richardson and the 22nd and 34th picks.
- Phoenix then sends Josh Richardson/ Kelly Oubre/ a 2023 TOP 6 lottery protected first to Detroit for Luke Kennard And Christian Wood *** (resigned and traded at 36/3)
22- Phoenix drafts Tyler Bey. ( backup lock down defensive 3/4).
34- Phoenix drafts Daniel Oturu. ( Baynes insurance).
*** In free agency, Phoenix also signs Justin Holiday for 15/3.
Would you guys be willing to pay this much to guarantee both getting both of Kennard and Wood?

First unit-
- Rubio/Booker/Bridges/Wood/ Ayton.

2nd unit-
- Kennard/ Holiday/ Bey/Cam/Baynes.

3rd unit-
- Carter/ Jerome/ Cam/ Bey/ Oturu.

You + Paul Reed =

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[Ghost of Kleine]

Just a thought proposal guys, To gauge interest? What IF we do one of these 2 scenarios:

1- Phoenix/Detroit( Revisit the Kennard trade).
Phoenix trades the 10th pick to Detroit for Luke Kennard. Then we Buy an early 2nd from Philly (34) And draft Paul Reed.
Next, In free agency, We sign Bertrans for 42/3. And also Justin Holiday with our exception.

- First unit becomes: Booker/Bridges/Oubre/Bertans/Ayton.
- 2nd unit becomes: Rubio/ Kennard/Holiday/ Cam/ Baynes.
- 3rd unit becomes: Carter/ Jerome/ Cam/ Reed/ Kaminsky.

2- Phoenix/ Philly/ Detroit-
- Phoenix sends the 10th pick to Philly for Josh Richardson and the 22nd and 34th picks.
- Phoenix then sends Josh Richardson/ Kelly Oubre/ a 2023 TOP 6 lottery protected first to Detroit for Luke Kennard And Christian Wood *** (resigned and traded at 36/3)
22- Phoenix drafts Tyler Bey. ( backup lock down defensive 3/4).
34- Phoenix drafts Daniel Oturu. ( Baynes insurance).
*** In free agency, Phoenix also signs Justin Holiday for 15/3.
Would you guys be willing to pay this much to guarantee both getting both of Kennard and Wood?

First unit-
- Rubio/Booker/Bridges/Wood/ Ayton.

2nd unit-
- Kennard/ Holiday/ Bey/Cam/Baynes.

3rd unit-
- Carter/ Jerome/ Cam/ Bey/ Oturu.

You + Paul Reed =

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Also Kira Lewis, Grant Riller and/or Jalen Smith/ Tyler Bey too! And occasionally Oturu as well depending upon our situation and direction. But the thing with Reed that is so intriguing to me is his immense defensive versatility and potential switchability really for any/ all positions from 3-5. That and I envision the potential for incredible lockdown perimeter defense alongside of Bridges and possibly Oubre too. That's a ton of length, speed, explosive athleticism and strong defense all over the floor for us. And IF his mechanics get fixed, And he consistently knocks his shots down from three, Along with Ayton soon doing it too, Can you even imagine how dominant our team could be? I see his defensive potential, With being on a rookie contract as an absolute premium value to a team like us. In that We could possibly add a Bertans ***(elite floor spacer) to Booker/ Cam/ Oubre/ Ayton. And possibly have a top 6 offense perhaps?? But then with adding a defensive dynamo such as Reed, alongside of Bridges, And then maybe you add say a Justin Holiday, Who's a near lockdown defender in his own right too on a modest contract, And now you also have an almost Elite defensive rotation option to stifle opposing teams as well.

Again, in this scenario, for offense you'd have Rubio( Orchestrating), Booker/ Cam/ Oubre/ Ayton. All very potent scorers, with near elite scoring potential. Then in defense, You'd have Rubio( solid defender also), Holiday ( lockdown defender), Bridges( lockdown defender), Paul Reed ( lockdown defender potential), Baynes ( really solid, tough defender). But also, let's not forget that all of the players mentioned here have the ability to hit the three, and are/ will be very solid from the perimeter and the three too.
*( With maybe Rubio being the exception)?

Offense-
- Rubio. 35% from three/ Elite passer.
- Booker. 36% from three/ Elite scorer.
- Kelly Oubre. 35% from three/ very potent scorer.
- Cam Johnson. 39% from three/ Elite shooter.
- Davis Bertrans **( added in free agency). 42% from three/ Elite shooter.
- DeAndre Ayton. **No threes yet/ ELITE offensive big man.

Defense-
- Jevon Carter. 39% from three/ ball hawk and near lockdown defender.
- Mikhail Bridges. 35% from three/ near elite defender.
- Justin Holiday. *( added in free agency) 42% from three/ near lockdown defender.
- Paul Reed. 30% *( But shot 40% the previous season) and has elite lockdown defensive potential.
- Baynes. 35% from three/ Really strong/ tough defender.

***( Outliers)-
- Ty Jerome. 34% from three/ strong facilitator potential.
- Frank Kaminsky. 34% from three. Versatile floor spacing big man potential.
- Cheick Diallo. 50% from three / versatile dive man and post potential.
- Cameron Payne. **( mystery) 36% ( GLeague) might be something?

But overall, Do you get where I'm going with this? We'd have a top tier offense in the league with our floor spacing ( Booker/ Cam/ Bertans), Iso scoring ( Booker/ Oubre/ Ayton). And also a Top tier defense with ( Rubio/ Bridges/ Holiday/ Reed/ Baynes). That's an immensely potent offense, With near elite lockdown perimeter defense too, All on the same team. And with immense depth too. There's no way that we wouldn't be a perennial playoff team with that roster. Especially when you consider the offense/ defense/ overall depth/ versatility.

[Fo-Real]

3 things.... The Wolves board has an unhealthy fixation and an unrealistic valuation on us trading Booker to them. It seems like there are some on the Bulls board who would be in favor of a package around our 10th pick for Lauri. And I think in the light of team continuity (and because we have had zero in the past) that the front office might be in favor of bringing Saric back for another run. I mean, we did trade for him and GM's dont like to look like they made a mistake after they mad a deal for a player.

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[jredsaz]

3 things.... The Wolves board has an unhealthy fixation and an unrealistic valuation on us trading Booker to them. It seems like there are some on the Bulls board who would be in favor of a package around our 10th pick for Lauri. And I think in the light of team continuity (and because we have had zero in the past) that the front office might be in favor of bringing Saric back for another run. I mean, we did trade for him and GM's dont like to look like they made a mistake after they mad a deal for a player.

First, I'm going straight to the wolves board after this post.

Second, I'm more interested in the Oubre for Lauri and Satoransky angle I've heard about. Satoransky looks to have made a bad impression in his first year with the Bulls and I wonder if they want to just drop his salary for 2021. I'm not super interested in giving up our pick for Lauri.

Last, I hope Saric is back. He is a major reason the teams assist numbers are so high. Really good secondary playmaker for a big. Love him as a back up big. Check out the below. News letter from a favorite Suns Twitter follow of mine. Breaks it down in there quite well. Recomend subscribing. Its free.

https://thefourpointplay.substack.com/

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[ImNotMcDiSwear]

3 things.... The Wolves board has an unhealthy fixation and an unrealistic valuation on us trading Booker to them. It seems like there are some on the Bulls board who would be in favor of a package around our 10th pick for Lauri. And I think in the light of team continuity (and because we have had zero in the past) that the front office might be in favor of bringing Saric back for another run. I mean, we did trade for him and GM's dont like to look like they made a mistake after they mad a deal for a player.

First, I'm going straight to the wolves board after this post.

Second, I'm more interested in the Oubre for Lauri and Satoransky angle I've heard about. Satoransky looks to have made a bad impression in his first year with the Bulls and I wonder if they want to just drop his salary for 2021. I'm not super interested in giving up our pick for Lauri.

Last, I hope Saric is back. He is a major reason the teams assist numbers are so high. Really good secondary playmaker for a big. Love him as a back up big. Check out the below. News letter from a favorite Suns Twitter follow of mine. Breaks it down in there quite well. Recomend subscribing. Its free.

https://thefourpointplay.substack.com/

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Yeah, Sato had a down year. Last two seasons in WAS, shot 51% and 48% from the field and 46% and 39% from 3. This year with the Bulls, 43% from the field and 32% from 3 (yowch!). Surely they'd send him packing to us for nothing in return, right? Especially when you consider the reduced salaries that will handed out this summer.

Speaking of, I expect we will keep Dario, as well. My guess is we'll just agree to the QO.

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quote="Crives"][quote="Ghost of Kleine"][quote="Walt_Uoob"]

I&#39;m not totally stoked about any of these guys, but would like to have some of them at the right price, so it all comes down to what that price is.
1. Wood, but only if we can get a bargain due to other teams not having cap space and him not wanting to sign with Pistons long-term.
2a. Saric on a multi-year deal for <$10m per year. That&#39;s a good price for a backup big and could be a huge bargain if he keeps improving (I keep forgetting he&#39;s 26 and just entering his prime)
2b. Saric at his qualifying offer, especially if that means we can exceed the cap the following summer to re-sign him if desired (I can&#39;t find a straight answer on whether we keep his bird rights if he signs the QO, but it seems so)
3a-c. Gallo/Serge/Millsap if it&#39;s a one-year overpay. I don&#39;t want to lock up long-term money on any of them.

That&#39;s about it. Not into paying "full price" for Wood, or multiple years for any of the elder statesmen.[/quote]


You&#39;re definitely right that everything depends upon the pricetag that we&#39;ll be committing to. There will be a few teams still with quite a bit more cap space than us even.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/sports.yahoo.com/amphtml/what-the-2020-nba-offseason-landscape-could-look-like-161731289.html

[quote]Cap space teams

Six NBA teams project to have cap space at $109 million. They just project to have a little bit less than originally thought.

Atlanta Hawks: $43.2 million

New York Knicks: $41.5 million

Detroit Pistons: $28.2 million

Charlotte Hornets: $22.5 million

Miami Heat: $20.9 million

Phoenix Suns: $18.9 million [/quote]

1- With Christian Wood, I honestly don&#39;t see the pistons letting him go. And currently, With them having around 28 million, I don&#39;t see any way they&#39;d allow us to steal him. I do like him though.

2- As for Saric, I just don&#39;t see him as a starting option for us. Whatever the core reason, He&#39;s unfortunately shown to be woefully unathletic and slow footed for a guy whose 6&#39;10 only 225 lbs. And still only 26. I wouldn&#39;t mind him coming back to be a backup 4 ( his best role I think) and I would give him his qualifying offer, But not much more honestly, Unless he can show great overall improvement in both his conditioning as well as his consistency. Otherwise, Kaminsky is a more reasonable and cost effective option to bring back on his team option for a backup role. But both of their inabilities to provide even passable defense is also going to factor into our considerations.

3- (A) Gallo, IF we move Oubre for space and other assets, Then I&#39;d be willing to offer up to 60/3. But push for 54/3 IF the market is shallow.
(B) Ibaka, I&#39;d offer him up to 28/2.
( C) Milsapp, I&#39;d offer him up to 26/2 But push for 22/2 Due to age, Market value.

4- Derrick Favors, ( Regardless of Baynes) I&#39;d offer him around up to 20/2.

Overall to be honest, IF we move Oubre for space and assets, I&#39;m pursuing Gallo hardcore with an offer up to 48/2. He&#39;s my top target, Due to his still elite floor spacing ability, But also for his long term friendship to Booker and his family. Bertrans is my number 2 target due to his elite floor spacing abilities, And I&#39;d be willing to offer up to 42/3 for him. Jerami Grant would be 3rd on my list also at 42/3 tops. But I don&#39;t see him NOT taking his qualifying offer and trying his luck in 2021 free agency, Wherein he could get much more money. If we keep Oubre, I still would go hard after Bertrans as my # 1 target. Move Oubre to the 3, Bridges to the 2, And then have Booker split time with Rubio at the 1. *** trade the 10th pick to Detroit for Kennard, And then buy a late first early 2nd round pick and draft Paul Reed. So our roster would then look something like this:

- Booker/ Rubio/ Carter.
- Bridges/ Kennard/ Jerome.
- Oubre/ Reed/ Cam.
- Bertrans/ Cam/ Reed.
- Ayton/ Baynes/ Kaminsky.

OR
I would simply trade back with Dallas, The 10 for Delon Wright and the 18.
18- Draft Paul Reed. Purchase a 2nd from Philly ( 34).
34- Draft Daniel Oturu or Vernon Carey ( Baynes insurance policy). In free agency, Sign Bertrans for 42/3. And then Justin Holiday with our exception. So this roster looks like:

- Rubio/ Wright/ Carter.
- Booker/ Holiday/ Jerome.
- Bridges/Cam / Reed.
- Oubre/ Bertrans/ Kaminsky.
-Ayton/ Baynes/ Oturu.[/quote]

Pretty easy for Wood to leave if he doesn’t want to sign up for the beginning of a rebuild[/quote]

Maybe, But this would also be his first real opportunity at securing a big payday too right? I mean for a guy who's bounced around the league a bit, Securing his first big contract might also be important to him no???

However, I would absolutely like to get him IF at all possible of course. How much would you assume we'd have to realistically offer him, For them to actually let him walk? Again, Taking into consideration that they also have around 8 million more cap space than us too. [/quote]

"How much would you assume we'd have to realistically offer him, For them to actually let him walk? Again, Taking into consideration that they also have around 8 million more cap space than us too."

The point some of us are making though is that it is not just a bidding war between us and Detroit. He's unrestricted, so he is the one who gets to decide what it takes to lure him away. We don't have a very good recent reputation, but it's possible he sees even more disfunction in Detroit and a lot of potential in Phoenix joining our young core. Not saying he's going to turn down a max deal to come play in the valley for pennies, but the question is what would it take for him to decide to walk, not what would it take for them to let him walk.

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3 things.... The Wolves board has an unhealthy fixation and an unrealistic valuation on us trading Booker to them. It seems like there are some on the Bulls board who would be in favor of a package around our 10th pick for Lauri. And I think in the light of team continuity (and because we have had zero in the past) that the front office might be in favor of bringing Saric back for another run. I mean, we did trade for him and GM's dont like to look like they made a mistake after they mad a deal for a player.

First, I'm going straight to the wolves board after this post.

Second, I'm more interested in the Oubre for Lauri and Satoransky angle I've heard about. Satoransky looks to have made a bad impression in his first year with the Bulls and I wonder if they want to just drop his salary for 2021. I'm not super interested in giving up our pick for Lauri.

Last, I hope Saric is back. He is a major reason the teams assist numbers are so high. Really good secondary playmaker for a big. Love him as a back up big. Check out the below. News letter from a favorite Suns Twitter follow of mine. Breaks it down in there quite well. Recomend subscribing. Its free.

https://thefourpointplay.substack.com/

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Im the exact opposite, I much rather give up the pick than oubre in a Lauri deal. The suns need more good NBA players and there's certainly no guarantee that 10th pick becomes one.

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[Weemsickew14]

Im totally fine with Dario as our backup 4 since I believe we are committed to the same starting lineup next year unless Orlando goes really badly. Other options are Bertans, but he is very similar to Cam, and Jerami Grant, but he would cost more than Saric. The biggest need for this roster is a 3rd guard who can create/score and can play with Ricky and Booker. Who do you guys like as options for our 3rd guard?

[Ghost of Kleine]

3 things.... The Wolves board has an unhealthy fixation and an unrealistic valuation on us trading Booker to them. It seems like there are some on the Bulls board who would be in favor of a package around our 10th pick for Lauri. And I think in the light of team continuity (and because we have had zero in the past) that the front office might be in favor of bringing Saric back for another run. I mean, we did trade for him and GM's dont like to look like they made a mistake after they mad a deal for a player.

First, I'm going straight to the wolves board after this post.

Second, I'm more interested in the Oubre for Lauri and Satoransky angle I've heard about. Satoransky looks to have made a bad impression in his first year with the Bulls and I wonder if they want to just drop his salary for 2021. I'm not super interested in giving up our pick for Lauri.

Last, I hope Saric is back. He is a major reason the teams assist numbers are so high. Really good secondary playmaker for a big. Love him as a back up big. Check out the below. News letter from a favorite Suns Twitter follow of mine. Breaks it down in there quite well. Recomend subscribing. Its free.

https://thefourpointplay.substack.com/

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Im the exact opposite, I much rather give up the pick than oubre in a Lauri deal. The suns need more good NBA players and there's certainly no guarantee that 10th pick becomes one.

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That is of course true, What you said man, In that we absolutely are at a point wherein we do need more good players than picks perhaps. However, With Oubre , and with all immenent future transactions, We need to be really conscientious of our team payroll obligations too. With Markannen, he'll be due a sizable scale increase too, Although not nearly as much as Ayton. But still, he'll jump from 5 million currently, Up to 9 million for his qualifying offer. Now that may not seem like a lot, However, Whenst that happens, And he then becomes a restricted free agent in 2021, We'll still have to match any large offers seeking to pry Lauri away from us! That's unfortunately for us the very same summer as that in which we'll also have to maintain enough cap flexibility to ALSO not only try to outbid to keep Oubre, But ALSO have to extend Ayton with a near max offer to keep him (should he keep improving) as well. And then you still have Bridges extension too the following summer as well, And if he balls out, increasing his market value alot, Then does it not become even more of a catch 22 situation for us?

So whenst you figure all of our impending contractual obligations hitting around the same summer in this scenario, The unfortunate likelihood unfortunately greatly increases that we'll inevitably lose one of those players regardless due to payroll constraints. Also add in the uncertainty of the revenue loss resulting from the lockdown further complicating this poor timing for us contractually, And having those low scale rookie ( **cost controlled contracts) becomes invaluable to us IF we intend to try and keep our current core together, At least until the cap/ team revenue jumps to better allow us larger team payroll expenses, etc. So whilst being able to trade minimum salary assets for more expierenced contributors is admittedly alot more appealing, given the current situation, It becomes a much less palatable / realistic consideration when considering the immenent salary implications in comparison to maintaining optimal cap flexibility to hopefully retain our current core.

But I do of course otherwise get where you're coming from man. And if the situation for us weren't so uniquely complicated, I'd wholeheartedly agree perhaps.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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