Official MMA discussion thread pt 2: UFC 268 in MSG Usman vs Colby 2, Rose vs Zhang 2

HarthorneWingo · Post #1001 » by **HarthorneWingo** » Thu Jul 16, 2020 9:24 pm

j4remi wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
Can’t Dana make fighters fight Ryan Hall? Unless Hall hasn’t really been looking to fight.

It's doable up to a certain level, but usually when the elite grapplers get to the top 15 it slows down. They have a much smaller pool of opponents that make any sense to fight at that point and when you add guys facing each other to the guys that won't accept the fight; the challenge of finding a valid opponent becomes really daunting.

For Hall, he finally hit a point where he straight up started listing names in two divisions and saying "any of you, anyone, just someone fight me that's ranked" and that ended with him accepting a fight with...Ricardo Lamas, unranked and 1-3 in his last 4 fights.

Then why Dana simply rank him top 5 in his weight class and go from there?

HarthorneWingo · Post #1002 » by **HarthorneWingo** » Thu Jul 16, 2020 9:26 pm

j4remi wrote:Here's a wild one. Fanduel is refunding bets on Max Holloway. The writer goes on about how the judging could be understood but I think that's what makes this such a cool story. Everyone and their mom knows who the better fighter was Saturday and Fanduel made a nice gesture to acknowledge as much. If my bookie did the same I'd have broken even...smh

Online sportsbook FanDuel made a surprising announcement Monday that it’s refunding anyone who placed a bet on Max Holloway winning after his “controversial” split decision loss to Alexander Volkanovski in their featherweight title fight at UFC 251.

Come again? You read that correctly: A sportsbook is giving back money (OK, site credit) to customers who lost fair and square.

https://mmajunkie.usatoday.com/2020/07/ufc-251-fanduel-refunds-max-holloway-bettors-after-loss-to-alexander-volkanovski?utm_campaign=trueAnthem%3A%20Trending%20Content&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR0tR_lwVJC6JyTiCKsVgsE1W_eJp2-9dYiiLuCp4K4fDZyeMSSeIKyQnIk

Can you imagine even asking a bookie to do that? :lol:

Post #1003 » by **Manhattan Project** » Thu Jul 16, 2020 9:29 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:
Then why Dana simply rank him top 5 in his weight class and go from there?

Rankings are pretty much useless these days it seems, it's all about whose willing to take the least amount of money for a fight. If Sterling isn't fighting for the belt in his next fight how could you even explain that one? The champ himself even knows that Sterling deserves it, the world knows and the UFC knows it. The fact that they had Aldo in the championship bout proves that rankings mean squat. Same exact thing with Burns, while Burns can give Usman the best fight, he didn't deserve that bout.

HarthorneWingo · Post #1004 » by **HarthorneWingo** » Thu Jul 16, 2020 9:38 pm

Manhattan Project wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
Then why Dana simply rank him top 5 in his weight class and go from there?

Rankings are pretty much useless these days it seems, it's all about whose willing to take the least amount of money for a fight. If Sterling isn't fighting for the belt in his next fight how could you even explain that one? The champ himself even knows that Sterling deserves it, the world knows and the UFC knows it. The fact that they had Aldo in the championship bout proves that rankings mean squat. Same exact thing with Burns, while Burns can give Usman the best fight, he didn't deserve that bout.

It just isn't rational. This guy can't fight because he's too good? WTF? Then just give him the championship fight. I'd set up the match, if the champ doesn't take it then he loses the belt and there's a fight for the interim belt against Ryan Hall. Period.

ellobo · Post #1005 » by **ellobo** » Thu Jul 16, 2020 10:59 pm

I'm not a super knowledgeable MMA fan, but I like the sport and watch most of the UFC cards that are on regular ESPN. I've seen Ryan Hall fight twice (against Gray Maynard and Ryan Elkins) and he immediately became my favorite fighter.

I absolutely hate that this guy can't get fights.

HarthorneWingo · Post #1006 » by **HarthorneWingo** » Thu Jul 16, 2020 11:08 pm

ellobo wrote:I'm not a super knowledgeable MMA fan, but I like the sport and watch most of the UFC cards that are on regular ESPN. I've seen Ryan Hall fight twice (against Gray Maynard and Ryan Elkins) and he immediately became my favorite fighter.

I absolutely hate that this guy can't get fights.

You should try and watch TUF season that Ryan was on. Very interesting and cool dude.

GEOLINK · Post #1007 » by **GEOLINK** » Thu Jul 16, 2020 11:16 pm

The eyes UFC had on this PPV and its champion (Usman) decides to hold the opponent to the cage and toe stomp the guy to death.

This is why I hate wrestlers/grapplers.

HarthorneWingo · Post #1008 » by **HarthorneWingo** » Fri Jul 17, 2020 12:54 am

GEOLINK wrote:The eyes UFC had on this PPV and its champion (Usman) decides to hold the opponent to the cage and toe stomp the guy to death.

This is why I hate wrestlers/grapplers.

GEOLINK · Post #1009 » by **GEOLINK** » Fri Jul 17, 2020 1:36 am

HarthorneWingo wrote:
GEOLINK wrote:The eyes UFC had on this PPV and its champion (Usman) decides to hold the opponent to the cage and toe stomp the guy to death.

This is why I hate wrestlers/grapplers.

GEOLINK · Post #1010 » by **GEOLINK** » Fri Jul 17, 2020 1:40 am

Masvidal vs. Conor, now that would be one for the ages, regardless of who loses you know you'll be getting your money's worth.

HarthorneWingo · Post #1011 » by **HarthorneWingo** » Fri Jul 17, 2020 1:48 am

GEOLINK wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
GEOLINK wrote:The eyes UFC had on this PPV and its champion (Usman) decides to hold the opponent to the cage and toe stomp the guy to death.

This is why I hate wrestlers/grapplers.

Who the fook is that guy? ^^^^^

HarthorneWingo · Post #1012 » by **HarthorneWingo** » Fri Jul 17, 2020 1:54 am

GEOLINK wrote:Masvidal vs. Conor, now that would be one for the ages, regardless of who loses you know you'll be getting your money's worth.

That would be a fun fight. But what weight class will he commit to? If Conor comes back at 170 and isn’t mentally prepared to battle, he’ll get hurt.

Honestly, I’d love to see him put in the work and get down to 155. There so many good fights for him there. I just think he’s lost the fire to fight. He’s made so much fooking money and he’s so comfortable on his lifestyle. Then there’s his family, child to think of in a COVID world.

GEOLINK · Post #1013 » by **GEOLINK** » Fri Jul 17, 2020 1:55 am

HarthorneWingo wrote:
GEOLINK wrote:Masvidal vs. Conor, now that would be one for the ages, regardless of who loses you know you'll be getting your money's worth.

That would be a fun fight. But what weight class will he commit to? If Conor comes back at 170 and isn’t mentally prepared to battle, he’ll get hurt.

Honestly, I’d love to see him put in the work and get down to 155. There so many good fights for him. I just think he’s lost the fire to fight. He’s made so much fooking money and he’s so comfortable on his lifestyle. Then there’s his family, child to think of in a COVID world.

Both are natural 155ers so at 170 would be less draining for them to prepare for.

I'd have it at 170.

HarthorneWingo · Post #1014 » by **HarthorneWingo** » Fri Jul 17, 2020 1:57 am

GEOLINK wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
GEOLINK wrote:Masvidal vs. Conor, now that would be one for the ages, regardless of who loses you know you'll be getting your money's worth.

That would be a fun fight. But what weight class will he commit to? If Conor comes back at 170 and isn’t mentally prepared to battle, he’ll get hurt.

Honestly, I’d love to see him put in the work and get down to 155. There so many good fights for him. I just think he’s lost the fire to fight. He’s made so much fooking money and he’s so comfortable on his lifestyle. Then there’s his family, child to think of in a COVID world.

Both are natural 155ers so at 170 would be less draining for them to prepare for.

I'd have it at 170.

You think he’s really coming back?

GEOLINK · Post #1015 » by **GEOLINK** » Fri Jul 17, 2020 2:02 am

HarthorneWingo wrote:
GEOLINK wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
That would be a fun fight. But what weight class will he commit to? If Conor comes back at 170 and isn’t mentally prepared to battle, he’ll get hurt.

Honestly, I’d love to see him put in the work and get down to 155. There so many good fights for him. I just think he’s lost the fire to fight. He’s made so much fooking money and he’s so comfortable on his lifestyle. Then there’s his family, child to think of in a COVID world.

Both are natural 155ers so at 170 would be less draining for them to prepare for.

I'd have it at 170.

You think he’s really coming back?

I honestly think he was committed to coming back and having a solid run this year but the f*cking COVID thing happened and ruined all the plans. Plus, the negotiation battles with Dana once again.

GEOLINK · Post #1016 » by **GEOLINK** » Fri Jul 17, 2020 2:07 am

HarthorneWingo wrote:
GEOLINK wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
That would be a fun fight. But what weight class will he commit to? If Conor comes back at 170 and isn’t mentally prepared to battle, he’ll get hurt.

Honestly, I’d love to see him put in the work and get down to 155. There so many good fights for him. I just think he’s lost the fire to fight. He’s made so much fooking money and he’s so comfortable on his lifestyle. Then there’s his family, child to think of in a COVID world.

Both are natural 155ers so at 170 would be less draining for them to prepare for.

I'd have it at 170.

You think he’s really coming back?

And to answer your question, yes I think he will come back.

Hopefully December against Masvidal if not early next year.

HarthorneWingo · Post #1017 » by **HarthorneWingo** » Sun Jul 19, 2020 12:02 am

We got a fight card tonight. Looking forward Figueredo/Benavides.

Clyde_Style · Post #1018 » by **Clyde_Style** » Sun Jul 19, 2020 12:55 am

hands off Ariane Lipski fellas, she's mine! (grunt)

Clyde_Style · Post #1019 » by **Clyde_Style** » Sun Jul 19, 2020 1:31 am

Does anyone think Paul Felder is a good announcer?

He's pretty much a dud from my POV

Clyde_Style · Post #1020 » by **Clyde_Style** » Sun Jul 19, 2020 1:52 am

that sucks for Kelvin