Trade Ideas Thread

[24istheLAW]

For my money, the truth if it is that we are as good we are are going to get without an MVP-caliber player on the roster.

I think you're right. All of the trades I see here are either (1) shuffling deck chairs to be bigger (2) taking a hit to keep cost down (3) trading for highly drafted players of whom there's little evidence are good.

But available players are available for a reason. Where does one get such an MVP-caliber player? Giannis in FA is a pipe dream. The two LA teams are playing well, so the odds of one of those guys opting out are low. Westbrook might be available in a year after the Fertitta guy decides to cut costs? Other than Tatum taking another jump and turning into an MVP caliber player, I don't really see an avenue.

[captain green]

For my money, the truth if it is that we are as good we are are going to get without an MVP-caliber player on the roster.

I think you're right. All of the trades I see here are either (1) shuffling deck chairs to be bigger (2) taking a hit to keep cost down (3) trading for highly drafted players of whom there's little evidence are good.

But available players are available for a reason. Where does one get such an MVP-caliber player? Giannis in FA is a pipe dream. The two LA teams are playing well, so the odds of one of those guys opting out are low. Westbrook might be available in a year after the Fertitta guy decides to cut costs? Other than Tatum taking another jump and turning into an MVP caliber player, I don't really see an avenue.

I sorta disagree, where in my opinion this team could improve alot. Adding any top 15 center to this team, we're better adding a proven scorer to bench gets us better. Now where I agree freak is off the table, ad off the table, but say someone like dame or Kat or even klay that changes the narrative. Also I'm in the thinking Tatum could jump as well as brown. We are close but we can get a whole lot closer even if were not chasing mvp caliber player's. We got our core now we need our bench and center.

[Curmudgeon]

The best way to add a proven scorer to the bench is to use Hayward as the 6th man. Alternatively, Grant Williams develops a consistent three point shot, which may be happening.

[Parliament10]

The best way to add a proven scorer to the bench is to use Hayward as the 6th man. Alternatively, Grant Williams develops a consistent three point shot, which may be happening.

What do you mean, next year?
It's too late for that this season, right?

[Curmudgeon]

The best way to add a proven scorer to the bench is to use Hayward as the 6th man. Alternatively, Grant Williams develops a consistent three point shot, which may be happening.

What do you mean, next year?
It's too late for that this season, right?

They say Williams is shooting lights out in the bubble. He's been working on that shot since the NBA shut down.

Why is anything too late for this year's playoffs?

[Dogen]

The best way to add a proven scorer to the bench is to use Hayward as the 6th man. Alternatively, Grant Williams develops a consistent three point shot, which may be happening.

What do you mean, next year?
It's too late for that this season, right?

They say Williams is shooting lights out in the bubble. He's been working on that shot since the NBA shut down.

Why is anything too late for this year's playoffs?

That’s good news if true about Grant. He seems like the type of guy that would buckle down and make the adjustments during the shut down.

Of course, it’s a different story when the bright lights of the game are on, but I considered his struggles at the 3pt line to be mainly rookie nerves and overthinking. I think he’ll be a legit threat out there.

[yahboi617]

What do you mean, next year?
It's too late for that this season, right?

They say Williams is shooting lights out in the bubble. He's been working on that shot since the NBA shut down.

Why is anything too late for this year's playoffs?

That’s good news if true about Grant. He seems like the type of guy that would buckle down and make the adjustments during the shut down.

Of course, it’s a different story when the bright lights of the game are on, but I considered his struggles at the 3pt line to be mainly rookie nerves and overthinking. I think he’ll be a legit threat out there.

He was living with Kemba for quarantine

[SmartWentCrazy]

The best way to add a proven scorer to the bench is to use Hayward as the 6th man. Alternatively, Grant Williams develops a consistent three point shot, which may be happening.

What do you mean, next year?
It's too late for that this season, right?

They say Williams is shooting lights out in the bubble. He's been working on that shot since the NBA shut down.

Why is anything too late for this year's playoffs?

Wouldnt shock me, he stayed at Kemba’s place during quarantine and practiced a ton every day.

[hugepatsfan]

Apparently the salary cap and luxury tax line are expected to be at $109M and $132.5M. Basically flat to this year. That means rookie scale and vet min deals stay the same as this past year vs going up. Here's my plan to get below the tax with some trades.

1) Hayward opts out and signs a 3 year, $90.72M deal. That adds two years at just over $28M/year to his current 1 year deal, but lowers his '20-21 salary from $34.2M to $28M.

2) Waive Jevonte Green's non-guaranteed deal and decline team option on Semi.

3) Trade #30 and Enes Kanter to POR for #44. They eat salary for us, we move down 14 draft slots.

4) Trade #26, Carsen Edwards, Vincent Poirier to the Knicks for #38. Another salary dump deal for moving down.

5) Draft at #17, #38, #44 for the NBA roster. Draft at #46 for a 2-way player.

6) Sign Tremont Waters to an NBA deal. Re-sign Tacko for another 2-way deal.

7) Sign Mason Plumlee and DJ Augustine to vet minimum deals.

This gives us the following 11 man rotation:

Walker / Augustine
Brown / Smart / Langford
Hayward
Tatum / G Williams
Theis / Plumlee / R Williams

In spots 12-15 we have Waters, #17, #38, #44. On two-way deals we have #46 and Tacko.

I have that coming in at $132,449,558 of salary. So about $50K under the tax.

I think moving back from #26 to #38 and #30 to #44 is worth making it financially feasible to keep Hayward long term.

[Village Idiot]

Apparently the salary cap and luxury tax line are expected to be at $109M and $132.5M. Basically flat to this year. That means rookie scale and vet min deals stay the same as this past year vs going up. Here's my plan to get below the tax with some trades.

1) Hayward opts out and signs a 3 year, $90.72M deal. That adds two years at just over $28M/year to his current 1 year deal, but lowers his '20-21 salary from $34.2M to $28M.

2) Waive Jevonte Green's non-guaranteed deal and decline team option on Semi.

3) Trade #30 and Enes Kanter to POR for #44. They eat salary for us, we move down 14 draft slots.

4) Trade #26, Carsen Edwards, Vincent Poirier to the Knicks for #38. Another salary dump deal for moving down.

5) Draft at #17, #38, #44 for the NBA roster. Draft at #46 for a 2-way player.

6) Sign Tremont Waters to an NBA deal. Re-sign Tacko for another 2-way deal.

7) Sign Mason Plumlee and DJ Augustine to vet minimum deals.

This gives us the following 11 man rotation:

Walker / Augustine
Brown / Smart / Langford
Hayward
Tatum / G Williams
Theis / Plumlee / R Williams

In spots 12-15 we have Waters, #17, #38, #44. On two-way deals we have #46 and Tacko.

I have that coming in at $132,449,558 of salary. So about $50K under the tax.

I think moving back from #26 to #38 and #30 to #44 is worth making it financially feasible to keep Hayward long term.

Portland is also already in the tax. Additionally they probably will prioritize bringing back Whiteside who should find the market for his services highly limited in the upcoming market

[bucknersrevenge]

Apparently the salary cap and luxury tax line are expected to be at $109M and $132.5M. Basically flat to this year. That means rookie scale and vet min deals stay the same as this past year vs going up. Here's my plan to get below the tax with some trades.

1) Hayward opts out and signs a 3 year, $90.72M deal. That adds two years at just over $28M/year to his current 1 year deal, but lowers his '20-21 salary from $34.2M to $28M.

2) Waive Jevonte Green's non-guaranteed deal and decline team option on Semi.

3) Trade #30 and Enes Kanter to POR for #44. They eat salary for us, we move down 14 draft slots.

4) Trade #26, Carsen Edwards, Vincent Poirier to the Knicks for #38. Another salary dump deal for moving down.

5) Draft at #17, #38, #44 for the NBA roster. Draft at #46 for a 2-way player.

6) Sign Tremont Waters to an NBA deal. Re-sign Tacko for another 2-way deal.

7) Sign Mason Plumlee and DJ Augustine to vet minimum deals.

This gives us the following 11 man rotation:

Walker / Augustine
Brown / Smart / Langford
Hayward
Tatum / G Williams
Theis / Plumlee / R Williams

In spots 12-15 we have Waters, #17, #38, #44. On two-way deals we have #46 and Tacko.

I have that coming in at $132,449,558 of salary. So about $50K under the tax.

I think moving back from #26 to #38 and #30 to #44 is worth making it financially feasible to keep Hayward long term.

Tacko's a free agent after this season. If I was his agent, I would settle for nothing less than multi-year guaranteed deal and on the regular roster. And if Danny didn't provide one, a number of other teams would. No way Boston lets him leave with all they've invested into him so far. He's making the team next year. Carsen's not going anywhere either. No way Brad's giving up on him yet. Obviously, I get it. This is your plan. This is what you would do. Logical, and definitely creative. Despite that, few of the things mentioned here have a chance of actually happening.

[hugepatsfan]

Apparently the salary cap and luxury tax line are expected to be at $109M and $132.5M. Basically flat to this year. That means rookie scale and vet min deals stay the same as this past year vs going up. Here's my plan to get below the tax with some trades.

1) Hayward opts out and signs a 3 year, $90.72M deal. That adds two years at just over $28M/year to his current 1 year deal, but lowers his '20-21 salary from $34.2M to $28M.

2) Waive Jevonte Green's non-guaranteed deal and decline team option on Semi.

3) Trade #30 and Enes Kanter to POR for #44. They eat salary for us, we move down 14 draft slots.

4) Trade #26, Carsen Edwards, Vincent Poirier to the Knicks for #38. Another salary dump deal for moving down.

5) Draft at #17, #38, #44 for the NBA roster. Draft at #46 for a 2-way player.

6) Sign Tremont Waters to an NBA deal. Re-sign Tacko for another 2-way deal.

7) Sign Mason Plumlee and DJ Augustine to vet minimum deals.

This gives us the following 11 man rotation:

Walker / Augustine
Brown / Smart / Langford
Hayward
Tatum / G Williams
Theis / Plumlee / R Williams

In spots 12-15 we have Waters, #17, #38, #44. On two-way deals we have #46 and Tacko.

I have that coming in at $132,449,558 of salary. So about $50K under the tax.

I think moving back from #26 to #38 and #30 to #44 is worth making it financially feasible to keep Hayward long term.

Portland is also already in the tax. Additionally they probably will prioritize bringing back Whiteside who should find the market for his services highly limited in the upcoming market

I feel like we've had this conversation a million times. This is a trade for the '20-21 season. Portland is at $112M in salaries. The tax line is expected to be about $132.5M (flat to this year). Portland is not over the tax for '20-21. They don't really have a ton of wiggle room though. It's about $20M to spend. They will have to sign their 1st round pick which will be about $3M of it. I imagine they'll want to use their full MLE to try and get some wing help too so that's about $10M if they go that route.

I definitely agree that Whiteside will have a reduced market but I have a hard time seeing it falling below the full MLE of about $10M. The teams that have cap space don't really have anyone to spend it on so bloated 1 year deals make sense and the teams looking to spend the MLE don't have a ton of options. And being a backup to Nurkic isn't necessarily the best place to post a strong year and get lots of playing time to try again next year for a multi-year deal. If Whiteside gets in the range of $10M, you can see in the calculations above that it will be tough for POR to also use their full MLE on wing help, which I feel is a greater need for them. Saving the $5M on Kanter, and getting a trade-able 1st round pick in the process I think opens up more for them then re-signing Whiteside.

If Whiteside's market falls below to where he himself is signing in the $5M or below range then that's different. Because then that doesn't block the MLE like he would at $10M. But that seems further than I think his price will go.

[hugepatsfan]

Apparently the salary cap and luxury tax line are expected to be at $109M and $132.5M. Basically flat to this year. That means rookie scale and vet min deals stay the same as this past year vs going up. Here's my plan to get below the tax with some trades.

1) Hayward opts out and signs a 3 year, $90.72M deal. That adds two years at just over $28M/year to his current 1 year deal, but lowers his '20-21 salary from $34.2M to $28M.

2) Waive Jevonte Green's non-guaranteed deal and decline team option on Semi.

3) Trade #30 and Enes Kanter to POR for #44. They eat salary for us, we move down 14 draft slots.

4) Trade #26, Carsen Edwards, Vincent Poirier to the Knicks for #38. Another salary dump deal for moving down.

5) Draft at #17, #38, #44 for the NBA roster. Draft at #46 for a 2-way player.

6) Sign Tremont Waters to an NBA deal. Re-sign Tacko for another 2-way deal.

7) Sign Mason Plumlee and DJ Augustine to vet minimum deals.

This gives us the following 11 man rotation:

Walker / Augustine
Brown / Smart / Langford
Hayward
Tatum / G Williams
Theis / Plumlee / R Williams

In spots 12-15 we have Waters, #17, #38, #44. On two-way deals we have #46 and Tacko.

I have that coming in at $132,449,558 of salary. So about $50K under the tax.

I think moving back from #26 to #38 and #30 to #44 is worth making it financially feasible to keep Hayward long term.

Tacko's a free agent after this season. If I was his agent, I would settle for nothing less than multi-year guaranteed deal and on the regular roster. And if Danny didn't provide one, a number of other teams would. No way Boston lets him leave with all they've invested into him so far. He's making the team next year. Carsen's not going anywhere either. No way Brad's giving up on him yet. Obviously, I get it. This is your plan. This is what you would do. Logical, and definitely creative. Despite that, few of the things mentioned here have a chance of actually happening.

Between players and draft picks we have 17 players under contract for next year (this year's 15 man roster - Brad Wanamaker + 3 draft picks = 17). If you're saying Tacko and Waters are NBA guys then we're at 19. Which 4 would you shed?

[Parliament10]

Apparently the salary cap and luxury tax line are expected to be at $109M and $132.5M. Basically flat to this year. That means rookie scale and vet min deals stay the same as this past year vs going up. Here's my plan to get below the tax with some trades.

1) Hayward opts out and signs a 3 year, $90.72M deal. That adds two years at just over $28M/year to his current 1 year deal, but lowers his '20-21 salary from $34.2M to $28M.

2) Waive Jevonte Green's non-guaranteed deal and decline team option on Semi.

3) Trade #30 and Enes Kanter to POR for #44. They eat salary for us, we move down 14 draft slots.

4) Trade #26, Carsen Edwards, Vincent Poirier to the Knicks for #38. Another salary dump deal for moving down.

5) Draft at #17, #38, #44 for the NBA roster. Draft at #46 for a 2-way player.

6) Sign Tremont Waters to an NBA deal. Re-sign Tacko for another 2-way deal.

7) Sign Mason Plumlee and DJ Augustine to vet minimum deals.

This gives us the following 11 man rotation:

Walker / Augustine
Brown / Smart / Langford
Hayward
Tatum / G Williams
Theis / Plumlee / R Williams

In spots 12-15 we have Waters, #17, #38, #44. On two-way deals we have #46 and Tacko.

I have that coming in at $132,449,558 of salary. So about $50K under the tax.

I think moving back from #26 to #38 and #30 to #44 is worth making it financially feasible to keep Hayward long term.

Tacko's a free agent after this season. If I was his agent, I would settle for nothing less than multi-year guaranteed deal and on the regular roster. And if Danny didn't provide one, a number of other teams would. No way Boston lets him leave with all they've invested into him so far. He's making the team next year. Carsen's not going anywhere either. No way Brad's giving up on him yet. Obviously, I get it. This is your plan. This is what you would do. Logical, and definitely creative. Despite that, few of the things mentioned here have a chance of actually happening.

Between players and draft picks we have 17 players under contract for next year (this year's 15 man roster - Brad Wanamaker + 3 draft picks = 17). If you're saying Tacko and Waters are NBA guys then we're at 19. Which 4 would you shed?

There's actually 4 Draft Picks. And the picks aren't officially counted on the team, until they sign.
Also, we can carry 20-Signed players on the Roster, in the Offseason (however long that is this year).

While decisions do have to be made, there's no emergency as this moment.
Danny may even carry 16 Guaranteed Contracts through Training Camp, as he often does.

[hugepatsfan]

Tacko's a free agent after this season. If I was his agent, I would settle for nothing less than multi-year guaranteed deal and on the regular roster. And if Danny didn't provide one, a number of other teams would. No way Boston lets him leave with all they've invested into him so far. He's making the team next year. Carsen's not going anywhere either. No way Brad's giving up on him yet. Obviously, I get it. This is your plan. This is what you would do. Logical, and definitely creative. Despite that, few of the things mentioned here have a chance of actually happening.

Between players and draft picks we have 17 players under contract for next year (this year's 15 man roster - Brad Wanamaker + 3 draft picks = 17). If you're saying Tacko and Waters are NBA guys then we're at 19. Which 4 would you shed?

There's actually 4 Draft Picks. And the picks aren't officially counted on the team, until they sign.
Also, we can carry 20-Signed players on the Roster, in the Offseason (however long that is this year).

While decisions do have to be made, there's no emergency as this moment.
Danny may even carry 16 Guaranteed Contracts through Training Camp, as he often does.

I understand that logistically they can put off that decision until the start of the regular season but at some point they'll have to make it. Also consider that the stakes are much higher now since we'll be a tax team. With the 17 players and 1st round picks we have (including them because those are guaranteed contracts once signed), we're at $149,436,028 in salary. Using the reported $132.5M tax line, that puts us $16,936,028 into the. The tax rates are as follows:

First $5M over = $1 tax on ever dollar over
Next $5M (so up to $10M over) = $1.75 tax on every dollar over
Next $5M (so up to $15M over) = $2.50 tax on every dollar over
Next $5M (so up to $20M over) = $3.25 tax on every dollar over

At $16,936,028 over we fall into that $3.25 bucket.

So let's say you want Ainge to let the guarantee date trigger on Javonte Green's $1.5M so we can take him to camp. If it ends up being that we waive him, we still pay tax on that dead money. $3.25 tax on that would be $4.88M. That's in addition to the $1.5M of dead money. So the cost of taking Javonte Green to camp in this case is $1.5M in dead money plus $4.9M in tax so a total of $6.4M. I just don't think it's going to be practical to ask Wyc to pay that so we can delay decisions on our 13th-15th guys on the roster.

I don't think hanging on to the guaranteed deals and letting things play out is as practical if we stay in the tax especially if we're as far over it as we will be if we don't make the type of cost cutting moves people in here balk at.

[bucknersrevenge]

Apparently the salary cap and luxury tax line are expected to be at $109M and $132.5M. Basically flat to this year. That means rookie scale and vet min deals stay the same as this past year vs going up. Here's my plan to get below the tax with some trades.

1) Hayward opts out and signs a 3 year, $90.72M deal. That adds two years at just over $28M/year to his current 1 year deal, but lowers his '20-21 salary from $34.2M to $28M.

2) Waive Jevonte Green's non-guaranteed deal and decline team option on Semi.

3) Trade #30 and Enes Kanter to POR for #44. They eat salary for us, we move down 14 draft slots.

4) Trade #26, Carsen Edwards, Vincent Poirier to the Knicks for #38. Another salary dump deal for moving down.

5) Draft at #17, #38, #44 for the NBA roster. Draft at #46 for a 2-way player.

6) Sign Tremont Waters to an NBA deal. Re-sign Tacko for another 2-way deal.

7) Sign Mason Plumlee and DJ Augustine to vet minimum deals.

This gives us the following 11 man rotation:

Walker / Augustine
Brown / Smart / Langford
Hayward
Tatum / G Williams
Theis / Plumlee / R Williams

In spots 12-15 we have Waters, #17, #38, #44. On two-way deals we have #46 and Tacko.

I have that coming in at $132,449,558 of salary. So about $50K under the tax.

I think moving back from #26 to #38 and #30 to #44 is worth making it financially feasible to keep Hayward long term.

Tacko's a free agent after this season. If I was his agent, I would settle for nothing less than multi-year guaranteed deal and on the regular roster. And if Danny didn't provide one, a number of other teams would. No way Boston lets him leave with all they've invested into him so far. He's making the team next year. Carsen's not going anywhere either. No way Brad's giving up on him yet. Obviously, I get it. This is your plan. This is what you would do. Logical, and definitely creative. Despite that, few of the things mentioned here have a chance of actually happening.

Between players and draft picks we have 17 players under contract for next year (this year's 15 man roster - Brad Wanamaker + 3 draft picks = 17). If you're saying Tacko and Waters are NBA guys then we're at 19. Which 4 would you shed?

It's a difficult question to answer right now because we have maybe half the information necessary to make an informed decision about it. I think this restart is gonna tell us a lot more about the future of this team than the first half did. We don't even know where our earliest pick is gonna be yet. It may end up a lottery pick which could potentially change things. I mean, I've said it before and I'll keep saying it: we have ZERO idea how good this team really is yet.

They've been injured. Key players have not had a ton of time to play together. Young players have had basically a 2nd offseason to work on skills. We have not seen this team at it's best for anything resembling enough time to make accurate assessments on what else it may need. My vague notion of a response to your question at the moment is that Wanamaker is gone after this year. Javante too. After that, maybe Semi, maybe not. Maybe you trade Kanter in a deal like you mentioned. Maybe it's a different big. Maybe you trade picks away of draft n stash some guys and maybe draft a 2nd rounder. If we end up with a lottery pick and a really good talent is available, maybe you draft him and make arrangements with someone else. What we're doing in here amounts to little more than an exercise in NBA2K franchise mode which is fine and I don't mean to rain on anyone's parade who enjoys that. I don't mind a little rampant speculation myself. But the reality is that we are just pissing into the wind if we think we can forecast which moves this team will make with the amount of information we currently have.

[Darth Celtic]

cold day in hell when Danny drops assets to save money without a signing in mind. i mean, even bradley got us morris. He's not going to trade his golden late round money controlled first round picks and players on near min contracts for worse picks. None of those make sense and make me realize why trade threads on the boston forum are the worst of just about any forum. Either we are trading wannamake for chirs paul or trading hayward for drummond.

[hugepatsfan]

cold day in hell when Danny drops assets to save money without a signing in mind. i mean, even bradley got us morris. He's not going to trade his golden late round money controlled first round picks and players on near min contracts for worse picks. None of those make sense and make me realize why trade threads on the boston forum are the worst of just about any forum. Either we are trading wannamake for chirs paul or trading hayward for drummond.

Pre-COVID reports were that we wanted to re-sign Hayward past his option year. Before COVID hit, the tax line was projected to be $139M. Now people are saying the NBA might borrow future cap space to hold it steady to this year at $132.5M. That means

1) Getting under the tax in '20-21 becomes much harder and would require the type of money saving moves I noted above.
2) If they borrow money from future years to keep the tax line steady vs a big drop then those future years will have a lower luxury tax line than anticipated so you'd be paying more tax.

Based on COVID, Wyc and the ownership group are already losing lots of money. And with those luxury tax ramifications, re-signing Hayward will probably be about $100M more expensive than anticipated due to extra luxury tax payments. That's because previously it would project to be no tax in '20-21, tax in '21-22 and tax again in '22-23. Now it projects to be tax in '20-21, tax in '21-22, repeater tax in '22-23. And the tax lines themselves will all be lower in future years so it's even more tax than anticipated previously. NBA luxury tax is pretty heavy to begin with and the repeater rates are brutal.

I'm just anticipating that adding an extra $100M to the total cost of Hayward (salary + luxury tax) is going to make Wyc more hesitant. That's a lot of extra money to spend on what would already be an expensive cost for your #4 player. Based on the new CBA, the luxury tax implications of re-signing Gordon Hayward long term will cost Wyc probably over $100M in luxury tax. That's in addition to whatever he signs for. I find it very plausible that he tells Ainge he doesn't want to spend up to $200M on Hayward over the next 3-4 years. So in that event, what do you think would be a more difficult pill for Ainge to swallow...

1) Let a top ~40 player in the game walk for nothing after this season because he has to avoid the tax and triggering repeater rates

2) Moving down from pick 26 to 38 and 30 to 44 like I had in my post so he can keep that top 40 player and make the money work.

Just looking at it realistically from a financial side of things I don't see how Wyc signs off on keeping Hayward as things stand right now. So if I gotta move some 12th-15th men and slide down some late 1sts to the second I think that's a small cost to keep a top 40 player.

[keevsnick1]

cold day in hell when Danny drops assets to save money without a signing in mind. i mean, even bradley got us morris. He's not going to trade his golden late round money controlled first round picks and players on near min contracts for worse picks. None of those make sense and make me realize why trade threads on the boston forum are the worst of just about any forum. Either we are trading wannamake for chirs paul or trading hayward for drummond.

Pre-COVID reports were that we wanted to re-sign Hayward past his option year. Before COVID hit, the tax line was projected to be $139M. Now people are saying the NBA might borrow future cap space to hold it steady to this year at $132.5M. That means

1) Getting under the tax in '20-21 becomes much harder and would require the type of money saving moves I noted above.
2) If they borrow money from future years to keep the tax line steady vs a big drop then those future years will have a lower luxury tax line than anticipated so you'd be paying more tax.

Based on COVID, Wyc and the ownership group are already losing lots of money. And with those luxury tax ramifications, re-signing Hayward will probably be about $100M more expensive than anticipated due to extra luxury tax payments. That's because previously it would project to be no tax in '20-21, tax in '21-22 and tax again in '22-23. Now it projects to be tax in '20-21, tax in '21-22, repeater tax in '22-23. And the tax lines themselves will all be lower in future years so it's even more tax than anticipated previously. NBA luxury tax is pretty heavy to begin with and the repeater rates are brutal.

I'm just anticipating that adding an extra $100M to the total cost of Hayward (salary + luxury tax) is going to make Wyc more hesitant. That's a lot of extra money to spend on what would already be an expensive cost for your #4 player. Based on the new CBA, the luxury tax implications of re-signing Gordon Hayward long term will cost Wyc probably over $100M in luxury tax. That's in addition to whatever he signs for. I find it very plausible that he tells Ainge he doesn't want to spend up to $200M on Hayward over the next 3-4 years. So in that event, what do you think would be a more difficult pill for Ainge to swallow...

1) Let a top ~40 player in the game walk for nothing after this season because he has to avoid the tax and triggering repeater rates

2) Moving down from pick 26 to 38 and 30 to 44 like I had in my post so he can keep that top 40 player and make the money work.

Just looking at it realistically from a financial side of things I don't see how Wyc signs off on keeping Hayward as things stand right now. So if I gotta move some 12th-15th men and slide down some late 1sts to the second I think that's a small cost to keep a top 40 player.

I don't really think hayward is walking away this offseason for the simple reason that there just isnt going to be that many, if any, teams with the correct amount of "good team looking for a final piece" and "actually has money." So maybe he opts outt to sign a longer term deal with the C's, but I wouldn't be comfortable extending him and his sore foot two more post prime years at 28/per year.

I think there's a decent chance he opts in and then ends up getting traded, maybe for something like a starting defensive anchor at center and a 3+D wing. There's just diminishing returns to paying a 4th option 30 million a year going forward.

As for the roster crunch you could see a draft and stash euro, you could flip a first this year into a future first, you could even see a move up.

While the tax situation is an issue any solution that gets the C's under the tax likely means they have a horrible bench, and I'd bet the C's consider themselves enough of a contender that they'd like to improve the bench going into next year.

[Darth Celtic]

Good to know we have the ownership groups personal financial advisors posting on realgm so we all know their thoughts on spending before this year is even over

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