KC: Boylen Believes He's Forming Strong Relationship With New Regime

[ImSlower]

My pithy line about emails wasn't meant to come across as negative to ya Doug - I apologize if it did. I meant to say that you pointed out a very valid point, that as fans we only the top of the iceberg, that is very visible. I don't discount how important his behind-the-scenes work may sharply contrast with his very visible perception as a coach resoundingly disrespected by his own players, those of other teams, and all of us yelling at our TVs through some very lean years.

I think his visibility, that top of the iceberg, is so glaringly bad that no matter what, he is done as a successful coach of this team. I think it's most likely he is fired after the bubble season.

[nomorezorro]

It is arguable that Boylen's issues are mostly ascribable to him being a rookie HC and having a very injured roster for most of the season.

nobody actually makes this argument though. nobody is going to the mat for jim boylen as a head coach; a news void has just created an atmosphere where people see the sustained fervor of anti-boylen arguments and think "hm, i don't know if we can say definitively he's that big of a problem in the grand scheme of things" while not actually disputing the idea that it would be a positive step for the team to move on from him in pursuit of a better leader

people hate boylen because he's a giant goober who has led the bulls through more than a year of failure and embarrassment. don't be a party pooper. let them lust for the blood of the idiot in charge

[Repeat 3-peat]

Lmaoo Gafford

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If a rookie has this tone, or thoughts about Boylen you just know almost the entire locker room has the exact views.

Bringing back Boylen as head coach just isn't ideal. All it'll lead to is another mid season firing, something this team doesn't need. Jerry needs to accept that.

[StunnerKO]

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[Red8911]

I like Gafford and believe he can grow as a player but his comments on Boylen were disrespectful and unprofessional. You just don’t say something like that, especially not someone who is technically still a rookie and an off the bench role player. Doesn’t matter if he likes the coach or not, he should respect his coach when talking to the public or media. Same goes for some other players like Lavine who have done the same in the past, it’s just not right.

Who is Gafford to say that Boylen needs to get better? Boylen could come out and say the same thing about Gaffords game, he wouldn’t like that though.

[rtblues]

Boylen can keep saying "WE" in his interviews but he's whistling in the dark, and knows he's a dead man walking.
It's all optics and politics right now, but I'm confident AK will pull the trigger on JB when it is a better time to
do so.

[dougthonus]

... tweets on Bulls talk podcast...

I listened to the podcast, and as usual, Bullsblogger extrapolated quite a bit to take the most negative stance possible about what was actually said on the show. KC was 50/50 on whether Boylen would stay, but his main point was there was no reason to make a decision on Boylen now and said exactly all the logical reasons why that is entirely true.

I hope they get to a point where Boylen's gone, but I agree with Goff, the time to be angry about that is when it is announced that he's staying not now.

[MikeDC]

I like Gafford and believe he can grow as a player but his comments on Boylen were disrespectful and unprofessional. You just don’t say something like that, especially not someone who is technically still a rookie and an off the bench role player. Doesn’t matter if he likes the coach or not, he should respect his coach when talking to the public or media. Same goes for some other players like Lavine who have done the same in the past, it’s just not right.

Who is Gafford to say that Boylen needs to get better? Boylen could come out and say the same thing about Gaffords game, he wouldn’t like that though.

You're not wrong, but the underlying reality here is that this is just example # 973 of why Boylen should have been fired already. Yes, you'd like everyone to handle this bad situation better, but the truth is that bad situations lead people to do/think/say more bad things. It's a symptom of the underlying problem which is not being addressed.

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[dougthonus]

My pithy line about emails wasn't meant to come across as negative to ya Doug - I apologize if it did. I meant to say that you pointed out a very valid point, that as fans we only the top of the iceberg, that is very visible. I don't discount how important his behind-the-scenes work may sharply contrast with his very visible perception as a coach resoundingly disrespected by his own players, those of other teams, and all of us yelling at our TVs through some very lean years.

I think his visibility, that top of the iceberg, is so glaringly bad that no matter what, he is done as a successful coach of this team. I think it's most likely he is fired after the bubble season.

I think that's a reasonable opinion, and I wasn't offended. I was just trying to point out the stuff below the surface exists and is meaningful. I agree the stuff above the surface isn't promising, but I am just more willing than most to withhold full judgment.

I understand why people don't though. You could make the same argument about any non-player really or any player that isn't playing as much as you want or is playing more than you want, that you can't see what happens when you aren't looking so other htings might explain an otherwise odd looking situation. I think with coaches/GMs, the argument holds a lot better than with players though (you really do see the majority of what players do unless they aren't playing at all).

[DASMACKDOWN]

I love how Gafford put it. "Hes aight" Thats about as nice a comment without telling you how he really feel. Thats the equivalent to OK.

But as we know Just OK is not OK.

[Axl Rose]

A literal rookie mistake saying that publicly but if he feels that way then i have to imagine a majority of the team feels that way or worse. What on earth does Jerry/Pax see in this guy? a kiss ass? cheap labor?

[dougthonus]

A literal rookie mistake saying that publicly but if he feels that way then i have to imagine a majority of the team feels that way or worse. What on earth does Jerry/Pax see in this guy? a kiss ass? cheap labor?

If the majority of the roster feels this way then its criminal to keep him. I think people are generally overly confident in their opinion in how much the players dislike him as a group though.

[HomoSapien]

I think a good portion of the fans on this board suffer from Stockholm Syndrome. It took forever for this fanbase to get to the point where they thought Paxson and Forman needed to be out. You'll always find someone defending the bad coaches we've had as well. As fans, we should all collectively want better leadership from everyone associated with this franchise. It's just poorly run in so many different ways.

[Leslie Forman]

I think a good portion of the fans on this board suffer from Stockholm Syndrome. It took forever for this fanbase to get to the point where they thought Paxson and Forman needed to be out. You'll always find someone defending the bad coaches we've had as well. As fans, we should all collectively want better leadership from everyone associated with this franchise. It's just poorly run in so many different ways.

This is kind of different, though. Everybody pretty much agrees Boylen should go, but there are people here talking about him like he's committing crimes against humanity when Hoiberg was actually even worse and was defended far more.

Goes to show how much appearances matter.

[MrSparkle]

SO .... it is pretty apparent that our 3 primary big men do not like Boylen.

- Wendell LMAOing at "fire Boylen" during an interview

- Gafford on Twitch

- Lauri's passive aggressive "need a 100 rebounds per game to get shots" and trade rumor leak

Now I'll be the first to admit that all 3, for being "the new hope" of the Bulls, have been one of the worst (and most injured) big rotations in the league. But I think we all agree that it's strange that the FRPs regressed from very promising core players into bottom-barrel scrubs, and Gafford couldn't buy a minute over Kornet until a month into the season.

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If Karnisovas/Eversley come out and say they’re keeping Boylen because the players want him back, I will completely back off. I may blow my brains out, but I’ll back off.


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[othawhitemeat]

A literal rookie mistake saying that publicly but if he feels that way then i have to imagine a majority of the team feels that way or worse. What on earth does Jerry/Pax see in this guy? a kiss ass? cheap labor?

If the majority of the roster feels this way then its criminal to keep him. I think people are generally overly confident in their opinion in how much the players dislike him as a group though.

I would imagine much of the roster does not like Boylen. So far, Lauri, Wendell, Zach, and Gafford don't like him. In addition, Young had some issues, Denzel too. I mean that is literally almost half publicly.

Also, as another poster said, the whole top has been atrocious from really bad ownership to prior with GarPax. If the Bulls never landed Jordan, does anyone here think fans would be supporting this team and looking at Rein$dorf.

[Axl Rose]

This is kind of different, though. Everybody pretty much agrees Boylen should go, but there are people here talking about him like he's committing crimes against humanity when Hoiberg was actually even worse and was defended far more.

Goes to show how much appearances matter.

I think the possibility that such an obvious move as firing Boylen may not happen is leading to the hysterics. Especially with new leadership at helm that everyone was excited finally happened. Its like we can't escape the madness.

[JimmyButler21]

If the Bulls have rookies speaking out against their coach, imagine what the veterans are thinking