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Post#2621 » by Ghost of Kleine » Tue Jul 21, 2020 12:07 am

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Rubio, Carter, Payne, Lecque
Booker, Jerome
Bridges, Johnson
Oubre, Saric, Kaminsky
Ayton, Baynes, Diallo

Vassell would be great on this team. As well as an MLE back up PG.



Definitely! :wink:

By the way, With respect to MLE backup point guards. Who do you guys like top 3 at that price? And are we to be considered as having a tax payer MLE ( 6 million roughly) or the standard MLE at around ( 9 million) most likely? Anyone know? :dontknow:

IF it's the standard MLE, I might actually prefer:

1- Reggie Jackson at 12/ 2, And then Alec Burks at 6/ 2 yrs.

2- Jeff Teague at 6/1. Bryn Forbes at 6 / 2yrs.
3- DJ Augustine at 14 / 2, And Jordan Mcrae at 2/ 1 yr.

But IF we're looking for more bang for the buck, Then still at much lower cost I might prioritize

1- Shabazz Napier. at 6/2 yrs, And Justin Holiday 14/2 yrs.
2- Isiah Thomas at 8/2, And then Justin Holiday 10/2.
3- Raul Neto at 4/1, And Alec Burks at 10/2.

Now I do wonder IF the Full standard MLE would be enough to pry Kriss Dunn away from Chicago, Or Meltonfrom Memphis? If not, Then our best and most cost effective plan would be to use the standard MLE for Reggie Jackson 4/1, and Justin Holiday 14/2. Or Shabazz Napier 4/2, and Justin Holiday 14/2. IF we don't use it on a 3 and D power forward such as Milsap or to bring back Saric at 7/1 million per, And then Reggie Jackson at 4/2 ? :dontknow:
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Post#2622 » by WeekapaugGroove » Tue Jul 21, 2020 1:34 am

Ghost of Kleine wrote:
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Rubio, Carter, Payne, Lecque
Booker, Jerome
Bridges, Johnson
Oubre, Saric, Kaminsky
Ayton, Baynes, Diallo

Vassell would be great on this team. As well as an MLE back up PG.



Definitely! :wink:

By the way, With respect to MLE backup point guards. Who do you guys like top 3 at that price? And are we to be considered as having a tax payer MLE ( 6 million roughly) or the standard MLE at around ( 9 million) most likely? Anyone know? :dontknow:

IF it's the standard MLE, I might actually prefer:

1- Reggie Jackson at 12/ 2, And then Alec Burks at 6/ 2 yrs.

2- Jeff Teague at 6/1. Bryn Forbes at 6 / 2yrs.
3- DJ Augustine at 14 / 2, And Jordan Mcrae at 2/ 1 yr.

But IF we're looking for more bang for the buck, Then still at much lower cost I might prioritize

1- Shabazz Napier. at 6/2 yrs, And Justin Holiday 14/2 yrs.
2- Isiah Thomas at 8/2, And then Justin Holiday 10/2.
3- Raul Neto at 4/1, And Alec Burks at 10/2.

Now I do wonder IF the Full standard MLE would be enough to pry Kriss Dunn away from Chicago, Or Meltonfrom Memphis? If not, Then our best and most cost effective plan would be to use the standard MLE for Reggie Jackson 4/1, and Justin Holiday 14/2. Or Shabazz Napier 4/2, and Justin Holiday 14/2. IF we don't use it on a 3 and D power forward such as Milsap or to bring back Saric at 7/1 million per, And then Reggie Jackson at 4/2 ? :dontknow:
It would be hilarious if the suns threw an offer sheet at Melton. Funny but also not a terrible idea because you either end up with Melton who can help or Memphis matches and maybe they look to clear Jones contract because paying two backup PGs isn't ideal and Jones would be a nice pg backup.

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Post#2623 » by nevetsov » Tue Jul 21, 2020 2:37 am

Ghost of Kleine wrote:And are we to be considered as having a tax payer MLE ( 6 million roughly) or the standard MLE at around ( 9 million) most likely? Anyone know? :dontknow:


I don't see any way we end up being a tax paying team, so I'm confident while we might be over the cap, we'll have the standard MLE to play with.

For some reason I really like Augustin, not sure why though. I guess even though he's undersized, he's a rugged, experienced vet who can seamlessly play as a sparkplug off the bench as well as spot start when needed.
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Post#2624 » by Ghost of Kleine » Tue Jul 21, 2020 4:57 am

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Ghost of Kleine wrote:And are we to be considered as having a tax payer MLE ( 6 million roughly) or the standard MLE at around ( 9 million) most likely? Anyone know? :dontknow:


I don't see any way we end up being a tax paying team, so I'm confident while we might be over the cap, we'll have the standard MLE to play with.

For some reason I really like Augustin, not sure why though. I guess even though he's undersized, he's a rugged, experienced vet who can seamlessly play as a sparkplug off the bench as well as spot start when needed.


Thanks man! And I agree, Augustine would be an awesome get for us. Especially if we could get him for around 12/ 2 or something. Then have enough left over for Burks or Forbes at around 6/2. I also really like Shabazz Napier, Although undersized, He's a very solid floor general averaging :

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1_hint=Shabazz+Napier&player_id1_select=Shabazz+Napier&player_id1=napiesh01&y1=2020&player_id2_hint=D.J.+Augustin&player_id2_select=D.J.+Augustin&player_id2=augusdj01&idx=bbr__players&y2=2020


10 points/ 2.9 rebounds/ 5 assists/ 38% from three/ 83% from the free throw line for this last season. And we could likely get him for around 2-3 million per too. So he should be right up there with Augustine too I think. I guess that I see him as a budget version of Augustine? For my part, IF we could get Napier for around 4/ 2 years, And then add Justin Holiday ( defensive 2/3) for around 14/2, We'd be at pretty nicely. Otherwise maybe Augustine for 12/2, And then Pat Connaughton at 6/2. ( defense).



Lastly, A player that I really think we should keep.our eye on for shooting at the 2 guard is Ryan Broekhoff. He's currently signed to a substitute contract for the 76ers, But, Is a 40% career 3 point shooter, and 81% from the free throw line for his career too. He's also an Australian native, So he and Baynes could share that connection. Overall he'd be a budget version of Joe Harris for us! Check this out:

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Post#2626 » by Wilber85 » Tue Jul 21, 2020 3:45 pm

Ghost of Kleine wrote:
nevetsov wrote:
Ghost of Kleine wrote:And are we to be considered as having a tax payer MLE ( 6 million roughly) or the standard MLE at around ( 9 million) most likely? Anyone know? :dontknow:


I don't see any way we end up being a tax paying team, so I'm confident while we might be over the cap, we'll have the standard MLE to play with.

For some reason I really like Augustin, not sure why though. I guess even though he's undersized, he's a rugged, experienced vet who can seamlessly play as a sparkplug off the bench as well as spot start when needed.


Thanks man! And I agree, Augustine would be an awesome get for us. Especially if we could get him for around 12/ 2 or something. Then have enough left over for Burks or Forbes at around 6/2. I also really like Shabazz Napier, Although undersized, He's a very solid floor general averaging :

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1_hint=Shabazz+Napier&player_id1_select=Shabazz+Napier&player_id1=napiesh01&y1=2020&player_id2_hint=D.J.+Augustin&player_id2_select=D.J.+Augustin&player_id2=augusdj01&idx=bbr__players&y2=2020


10 points/ 2.9 rebounds/ 5 assists/ 38% from three/ 83% from the free throw line for this last season. And we could likely get him for around 2-3 million per too. So he should be right up there with Augustine too I think. I guess that I see him as a budget version of Augustine? For my part, IF we could get Napier for around 4/ 2 years, And then add Justin Holiday ( defensive 2/3) for around 14/2, We'd be at pretty nicely. Otherwise maybe Augustine for 12/2, And then Pat Connaughton at 6/2. ( defense).



Lastly, A player that I really think we should keep.our eye on for shooting at the 2 guard is Ryan Broekhoff. He's currently signed to a substitute contract for the 76ers, But, Is a 40% career 3 point shooter, and 81% from the free throw line for his career too. He's also an Australian native, So he and Baynes could share that connection. Overall he'd be a budget version of Joe Harris for us! Check this out:




How do we get better when all you guys want is scrubs lol. We need to make a big risk, not throw scrubs at our roster.
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Post#2627 » by Ghost of Kleine » Tue Jul 21, 2020 4:32 pm

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Ghost of Kleine wrote:
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I don't see any way we end up being a tax paying team, so I'm confident while we might be over the cap, we'll have the standard MLE to play with.

For some reason I really like Augustin, not sure why though. I guess even though he's undersized, he's a rugged, experienced vet who can seamlessly play as a sparkplug off the bench as well as spot start when needed.


Thanks man! And I agree, Augustine would be an awesome get for us. Especially if we could get him for around 12/ 2 or something. Then have enough left over for Burks or Forbes at around 6/2. I also really like Shabazz Napier, Although undersized, He's a very solid floor general averaging :

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1_hint=Shabazz+Napier&player_id1_select=Shabazz+Napier&player_id1=napiesh01&y1=2020&player_id2_hint=D.J.+Augustin&player_id2_select=D.J.+Augustin&player_id2=augusdj01&idx=bbr__players&y2=2020


10 points/ 2.9 rebounds/ 5 assists/ 38% from three/ 83% from the free throw line for this last season. And we could likely get him for around 2-3 million per too. So he should be right up there with Augustine too I think. I guess that I see him as a budget version of Augustine? For my part, IF we could get Napier for around 4/ 2 years, And then add Justin Holiday ( defensive 2/3) for around 14/2, We'd be at pretty nicely. Otherwise maybe Augustine for 12/2, And then Pat Connaughton at 6/2. ( defense).



Lastly, A player that I really think we should keep.our eye on for shooting at the 2 guard is Ryan Broekhoff. He's currently signed to a substitute contract for the 76ers, But, Is a 40% career 3 point shooter, and 81% from the free throw line for his career too. He's also an Australian native, So he and Baynes could share that connection. Overall he'd be a budget version of Joe Harris for us! Check this out:




How do we get better when all you guys want is scrubs lol. We need to make a big risk, not throw scrubs at our roster.


Well obviously, Signing a player or two on/ near a minimum range deal would not detract or prevent us from being able to pursue a bigger name potential difference maker. What it DOES DO FOR US, Is to add further depth to key positions so that our core starters or potential big name signings :wink: don't incur greater possabilities for injuries and wear and tear, As the added depth will allow them to garner more rest and remain fresh in key late game situations. Added low cost depth will be key for us to actually improve at a greater pace too. :D
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Post#2628 » by WeekapaugGroove » Tue Jul 21, 2020 9:05 pm

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Post#2629 » by Saberestar » Tue Jul 21, 2020 9:23 pm

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Really good news. :nod:
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Post#2630 » by Revived » Tue Jul 21, 2020 9:24 pm

Not fair that Minnesota gets a new owner while we keep Sarver. Smh.
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Post#2631 » by Crives » Tue Jul 21, 2020 9:48 pm

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Really good news. :nod:


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Post#2632 » by Revived » Wed Jul 22, 2020 12:38 am

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Revived wrote:Okobo will get it together at some point I think. Like Miyagi said, he’s gonna be a late bloomer like Dragic was. Just gotta be patient with him.

Carter is the best backup we have. He’s good defensively and slowly developing his skills on offense. It’s exactly what we need next to Booker if Carter becomes a PatBev type.

I’ve made my thoughts on Jerome clear many times so no need to go over all that again as I’m sure nearly all of you know my opinion here lol.



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MrMiyagi wrote:I still really like Okobo. I think we need to give him the Dragic treatment: 20 minutes a night sink or swim. He's the best of our young guards at getting places on the floor with his dribble, he just doesn't seem like he can feel where his guys are and where they like the ball yet. 515 minutes of Tyler Johnson over 31 games probably would've been better spent on Elie.

Ty hasn't had enough time to really form an opinion on - he seemed pretty composed, but needs to get use to the speed of the NBA. Not getting the Summer League and Training camp definitely impacted this.

Carter is like the PJ Tucker of guards. He's definitely a good bench guy to have, but he needs to be paired with a playmaker. That playmaker might be Jerome or Okobo, but still too early to tell.

Honestly, I'm fine holding on to all three for the time being. I'm personally more concerned about our 4 spot.

I can't be that positive about Okobo.

He has had plenty of opportunities in his two guaranteed seasons on the Suns and for now he hasn't been productive enough to consider him part of the future.

I liked the pick at the moment and I was a believer, but the talent level for backup PGs around the league is really high nowadays and he isn't there.

Dragic was much much better than Okobo in his second season in the league. That comparison is off. Dragic established himself as a full time backup PG on a winning team.

I think the decision has been made already and he will not be on the team next year. That is why Cam Payne was signed .


I don't expect Okobo to be back. I do think he would have been less nervous to make a mistake had he not been put behind Jerome right when Jerome got healthy for the season when Okobo was playing well at that time. After that he seemed extremely nervous and made some terrible brain farts...and really blew it on several occasions....and I think it got into his head...as it got worse because Monty would yank him quickly.

It will be interesting to see if Carter is back considering the rumors regarding his thoughts on Booker, though I had never really expected it....but thought it was a possibility after he finished the season shooting so well from 3.

I think the Payne signing is more of a sign that they just don't feel like they have a definite solution at backup pg. It will be interesting to see the minute distribution in these 8 games and 3 scrimmages.

I'm not really against bringing back any of the players at the minimum, since we need the cap space, and I'd probably rather keep a young guy you've invested in at the minimum than some other random guy, but my hopes are a bit diminished with Okobo, even though I think he does some things well (getting to the rim....has the ability to make good reads, though he had more problems with that later) and can stay with guys defensively. I think if he goes somewhere else there is a good chance he will do well as I think he works hard and has the skills within him if a coach has confidence in him to let him work through mistakes.

If Cameron Payne ends up being our solution for backup PG spot then we are in deep trouble. I hope Carter or Okobo can beat him out for it.

Okobo actually did decent last season when he wasn’t on the court with Booker. I’m talking about when Booker was injured. But then once Booker came back, he just dominates the ball and makes Okobo an off ball player which he’s not good at yet. The way Monty runs his rotations, it’s always gonna have Booker with Okobo (or whoever the backup PG is) when both are healthy so Carter fits the role better for now. But I still think Okobo is the higher ceiling player and too early to give up on him imo.
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Post#2633 » by JDLAW » Wed Jul 22, 2020 12:39 am

Revived wrote:Not fair that Minnesota gets a new owner while we keep Sarver. Smh.



I'll give you a provincial thumbs up. Careful what you ask for. New ownership often brings new front office, new coach and cost cutting (dumping high $$ player commitments sometimes before the sale is completed) and possible franchise relocation. I would not be surprised if there is a T-Wolves upheaval at some point when the new ownership takes over.
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Post#2634 » by JDLAW » Wed Jul 22, 2020 12:51 am

Revived wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
Revived wrote:Okobo will get it together at some point I think. Like Miyagi said, he’s gonna be a late bloomer like Dragic was. Just gotta be patient with him.

Carter is the best backup we have. He’s good defensively and slowly developing his skills on offense. It’s exactly what we need next to Booker if Carter becomes a PatBev type.

I’ve made my thoughts on Jerome clear many times so no need to go over all that again as I’m sure nearly all of you know my opinion here lol.



Saberestar wrote:I can't be that positive about Okobo.

He has had plenty of opportunities in his two guaranteed seasons on the Suns and for now he hasn't been productive enough to consider him part of the future.

I liked the pick at the moment and I was a believer, but the talent level for backup PGs around the league is really high nowadays and he isn't there.

Dragic was much much better than Okobo in his second season in the league. That comparison is off. Dragic established himself as a full time backup PG on a winning team.

I think the decision has been made already and he will not be on the team next year. That is why Cam Payne was signed .


I don't expect Okobo to be back. I do think he would have been less nervous to make a mistake had he not been put behind Jerome right when Jerome got healthy for the season when Okobo was playing well at that time. After that he seemed extremely nervous and made some terrible brain farts...and really blew it on several occasions....and I think it got into his head...as it got worse because Monty would yank him quickly.

It will be interesting to see if Carter is back considering the rumors regarding his thoughts on Booker, though I had never really expected it....but thought it was a possibility after he finished the season shooting so well from 3.

I think the Payne signing is more of a sign that they just don't feel like they have a definite solution at backup pg. It will be interesting to see the minute distribution in these 8 games and 3 scrimmages.

I'm not really against bringing back any of the players at the minimum, since we need the cap space, and I'd probably rather keep a young guy you've invested in at the minimum than some other random guy, but my hopes are a bit diminished with Okobo, even though I think he does some things well (getting to the rim....has the ability to make good reads, though he had more problems with that later) and can stay with guys defensively. I think if he goes somewhere else there is a good chance he will do well as I think he works hard and has the skills within him if a coach has confidence in him to let him work through mistakes.

If Cameron Payne ends up being our solution for backup PG spot then we are in deep trouble. I hope Carter or Okobo can beat him out for it.

Okobo actually did decent last season when he wasn’t on the court with Booker. I’m talking about when Booker was injured. But then once Booker came back, he just dominates the ball and makes Okobo an off ball player which he’s not good at yet. The way Monty runs his rotations, it’s always gonna have Booker with Okobo (or whoever the backup PG is) when both are healthy so Carter fits the role better for now. But I still think Okobo is the higher ceiling player and too early to give up on him imo.



Okobo is going to continue to struggle if he is trying to be a point guard in this league. He appears to be a natural off guard - even though he is really too small. His mindset and skillset are that of a combo guard at best and more likely best suited to be off the ball. I really don't see him succeeding as a 2 in the league at the present time - he is just too small and doesn't have the strength.
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Post#2635 » by darealjuice » Wed Jul 22, 2020 4:35 am

I'm really excited to be disappointed by the Phoenix Suns again.

Jokes aside, big opportunity for the Suns to show they belong despite being a long shot for the playoffs. Excited to see what kind of work Ayton has been putting in. I'd love to see continued defensive improvement, a couple 3 pointers, and him putting the ball on the floor more. I'd love to see Bridges step up and fill Kelly's offensive production in Orlando. He seems to be cool with Book based on them playing COD together occasionally, so hopefully they're in the gym together sometimes too lol. Cam should be able to let it fly as much as he wants with Kelly out too. Happy to see Cam and Mikal both look like they added a couple pounds in the last few months.

Back-up point guard is still the spot to watch. Hopefully Jerome or Carter can show something, but bringing in Payne doesn't suggest that we're very confident in that spot.
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Post#2636 » by Revived » Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:40 am

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I don't expect Okobo to be back. I do think he would have been less nervous to make a mistake had he not been put behind Jerome right when Jerome got healthy for the season when Okobo was playing well at that time. After that he seemed extremely nervous and made some terrible brain farts...and really blew it on several occasions....and I think it got into his head...as it got worse because Monty would yank him quickly.

It will be interesting to see if Carter is back considering the rumors regarding his thoughts on Booker, though I had never really expected it....but thought it was a possibility after he finished the season shooting so well from 3.

I think the Payne signing is more of a sign that they just don't feel like they have a definite solution at backup pg. It will be interesting to see the minute distribution in these 8 games and 3 scrimmages.

I'm not really against bringing back any of the players at the minimum, since we need the cap space, and I'd probably rather keep a young guy you've invested in at the minimum than some other random guy, but my hopes are a bit diminished with Okobo, even though I think he does some things well (getting to the rim....has the ability to make good reads, though he had more problems with that later) and can stay with guys defensively. I think if he goes somewhere else there is a good chance he will do well as I think he works hard and has the skills within him if a coach has confidence in him to let him work through mistakes.

If Cameron Payne ends up being our solution for backup PG spot then we are in deep trouble. I hope Carter or Okobo can beat him out for it.

Okobo actually did decent last season when he wasn’t on the court with Booker. I’m talking about when Booker was injured. But then once Booker came back, he just dominates the ball and makes Okobo an off ball player which he’s not good at yet. The way Monty runs his rotations, it’s always gonna have Booker with Okobo (or whoever the backup PG is) when both are healthy so Carter fits the role better for now. But I still think Okobo is the higher ceiling player and too early to give up on him imo.



Okobo is going to continue to struggle if he is trying to be a point guard in this league. He appears to be a natural off guard - even though he is really too small. His mindset and skillset are that of a combo guard at best and more likely best suited to be off the ball. I really don't see him succeeding as a 2 in the league at the present time - he is just too small and doesn't have the strength.

You sort of described Barbosa in many ways when he entered the league. If Okobo can come close to that, I’ll take that. We need a bench player who is a threat as a scorer or playmaker.
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Post#2637 » by Revived » Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:48 am

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Revived wrote:Not fair that Minnesota gets a new owner while we keep Sarver. Smh.



I'll give you a provincial thumbs up. Careful what you ask for. New ownership often brings new front office, new coach and cost cutting (dumping high $$ player commitments sometimes before the sale is completed) and possible franchise relocation. I would not be surprised if there is a T-Wolves upheaval at some point when the new ownership takes over.

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If he were to sell the team, Sarver could do this too to protect against relocation. Would earn him some goodwill in Phoenix and would be the best he’s ever done for the franchise.

What’s wrong with bringing in a new front office? I have no problem with that and I doubt most fans would. Doubt Monty will be replaced anytime soon since he’s barely into his 2nd yr contract and has lot of respect around the league. We don’t have any high $$$ commitments except for Booker and we all know there’s not an owner dumb enough to trade him when having Booker would be one of the major incentives to buy the team in the first place. He’s by far the most marketable player the team’s had in a long time.

I think TWolves fans want an upheaval when new ownership takes over. They would probably be rather disappointed if there wasn’t one.
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Post#2638 » by jredsaz » Wed Jul 22, 2020 7:42 am

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Revived wrote:Okobo will get it together at some point I think. Like Miyagi said, he’s gonna be a late bloomer like Dragic was. Just gotta be patient with him.

Carter is the best backup we have. He’s good defensively and slowly developing his skills on offense. It’s exactly what we need next to Booker if Carter becomes a PatBev type.

I’ve made my thoughts on Jerome clear many times so no need to go over all that again as I’m sure nearly all of you know my opinion here lol.



Saberestar wrote:I can't be that positive about Okobo.

He has had plenty of opportunities in his two guaranteed seasons on the Suns and for now he hasn't been productive enough to consider him part of the future.

I liked the pick at the moment and I was a believer, but the talent level for backup PGs around the league is really high nowadays and he isn't there.

Dragic was much much better than Okobo in his second season in the league. That comparison is off. Dragic established himself as a full time backup PG on a winning team.

I think the decision has been made already and he will not be on the team next year. That is why Cam Payne was signed .


I don't expect Okobo to be back. I do think he would have been less nervous to make a mistake had he not been put behind Jerome right when Jerome got healthy for the season when Okobo was playing well at that time. After that he seemed extremely nervous and made some terrible brain farts...and really blew it on several occasions....and I think it got into his head...as it got worse because Monty would yank him quickly.

It will be interesting to see if Carter is back considering the rumors regarding his thoughts on Booker, though I had never really expected it....but thought it was a possibility after he finished the season shooting so well from 3.

I think the Payne signing is more of a sign that they just don't feel like they have a definite solution at backup pg. It will be interesting to see the minute distribution in these 8 games and 3 scrimmages.

I'm not really against bringing back any of the players at the minimum, since we need the cap space, and I'd probably rather keep a young guy you've invested in at the minimum than some other random guy, but my hopes are a bit diminished with Okobo, even though I think he does some things well (getting to the rim....has the ability to make good reads, though he had more problems with that later) and can stay with guys defensively. I think if he goes somewhere else there is a good chance he will do well as I think he works hard and has the skills within him if a coach has confidence in him to let him work through mistakes.

If Cameron Payne ends up being our solution for backup PG spot then we are in deep trouble. I hope Carter or Okobo can beat him out for it.

Okobo actually did decent last season when he wasn’t on the court with Booker. I’m talking about when Booker was injured. But then once Booker came back, he just dominates the ball and makes Okobo an off ball player which he’s not good at yet. The way Monty runs his rotations, it’s always gonna have Booker with Okobo (or whoever the backup PG is) when both are healthy so Carter fits the role better for now. But I still think Okobo is the higher ceiling player and too early to give up on him imo.
I'm surprised by the relatively positive reviews of Okobo. He really disappointed me. In the end, Suns keep one of Okobo, Carter, or Payne. Think they slid Jerome to the two. I think they add two more guards this offseason. Like to see them draft a PG and sign a vet minimum or room exception guy - depending on how other assets are used.

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Post#2639 » by sunsbg » Wed Jul 22, 2020 10:14 am

Okobo is a short SG. He overthinks every pass. Bad at D as well. Yeah, Booker is the reason he sucks.
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Post#2640 » by Frank Lee » Wed Jul 22, 2020 1:22 pm

In the end, Suns keep one of Okobo, Carter, or Payne. Think they slid Jerome to the two. I think they add two more guards this offseason. Like to see them draft a PG and sign a vet minimum or room exception guy - depending on how other assets are used.


Yessir... Unless something wonky happens and we move up considerably...AND one of the 3 bigs blows our shorts off in a work out... this years primary rook addition will be a PG. Perfect situation to groom one. He'll get minutes to earn/keep and be surrounded with quality players. I think you're right about Jerome, and he'll bounce back and forth in the G league with LeQ. Carter is good as gone as he'll seek certain minutes and a defined role. The Dawg will get some interest as the FA pool of PGs is pretty slim. But I dont think many vets will be clamoring to get here when there wont be but a handful of minutes available. Going to have to either overpay, or give out 3 yr deals to entice. Our money is best spent elsewhere.

So better get used to the notion we are forging onward with Rubio, a Rook, and Payne as PGs, and if that falters look for more Point Book( :thumbsup:) . But the rook will have every opportunity to run the second unit with 16+ minutes a night, and best case scene is an eventual Rubio replacement.

We'll have a selection of some quality youngsters. It will be a matter of who shines. There are guys with BBIQ, size/length (enough to be a combo or atleast play off of Book), and can shoot... that will fall to us at 10... I think those are the top qualities JJones will seek.
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