2020 NBA Draft Prospect Watch - Revised Poll

[darealjuice]

I wouldn't mind another wing - I just think Okoro's overrated. Each of Bridges, Cam and Oubre gets minutes at the 4, and Bridges is our backup 2 as well. We look deep at the 3 but if there's an injury to any of them, given how much we rely on them, we end up replacing them with a small guard or a big in the rotation. If you think of the wing spots as included the 2 and/or the 4, then we're not deep at the wing at all. Heck, all you gotta do is put up a depth chart with Bridges and Oubre as your starters and it becomes clear as day that your rotation falls apart if any one of those guys is out.

So yeah, I'd prefer to grab even a 3 to a 1. Especially if we think Oubre might leave in a year. I'd be more inclined to give a vet contract to a backup PG than SF because what quality vet is going to want to sit on the bench behind a bunch of young guys? We could grab a vet 1 AND a vet 2 and tell both of them with a straight face they'll be in the rotation as Ricky's or Devin's primary back up.

I’m not too against a wing, and I’m not very high on Okoro either. I’m hoping that we solidify the 4 this offseason though, and that would cut into Kelly/Mikal/Cam’s minutes there, which would also make it harder to find minutes for our rookie wing. We’d only have about 60 minutes at the 2/3 for Kelly/Mikal/Cam/Rookie and maybe 20 minutes for them at the 4 in that situation. I could be convinced on Mikal/Oubre playing the 3/4 together, but I don’t know if I want it to be our main option.

I’m more on board with going point guard in this draft, assuming we use our pick. We still don’t have any semblance of a long term option there, and I think you’d be getting good value if any of Ball, Haliburton, or Hayes were there. We can still get a back-up point guard to hold it down until they’re ready for minutes anyways.

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I wouldn't mind another wing - I just think Okoro's overrated. Each of Bridges, Cam and Oubre gets minutes at the 4, and Bridges is our backup 2 as well. We look deep at the 3 but if there's an injury to any of them, given how much we rely on them, we end up replacing them with a small guard or a big in the rotation. If you think of the wing spots as included the 2 and/or the 4, then we're not deep at the wing at all. Heck, all you gotta do is put up a depth chart with Bridges and Oubre as your starters and it becomes clear as day that your rotation falls apart if any one of those guys is out.

So yeah, I'd prefer to grab even a 3 to a 1. Especially if we think Oubre might leave in a year. I'd be more inclined to give a vet contract to a backup PG than SF because what quality vet is going to want to sit on the bench behind a bunch of young guys? We could grab a vet 1 AND a vet 2 and tell both of them with a straight face they'll be in the rotation as Ricky's or Devin's primary back up.

I’m not too against a wing, and I’m not very high on Okoro either. I’m hoping that we solidify the 4 this offseason though, and that would cut into Kelly/Mikal/Cam’s minutes there, which would also make it harder to find minutes for our rookie wing. We’d only have about 60 minutes at the 2/3 for Kelly/Mikal/Cam/Rookie and maybe 20 minutes for them at the 4 in that situation. I could be convinced on Mikal/Oubre playing the 3/4 together, but I don’t know if I want it to be our main option.

I’m more on board with going point guard in this draft, assuming we use our pick. We still don’t have any semblance of a long term option there, and I think you’d be getting good value if any of Ball, Haliburton, or Hayes were there. We can still get a back-up point guard to hold it down until they’re ready for minutes anyways.[/quote]

I'm currently of the mind that overall for the draft, I'd prefer ( if possible) a combination like this on draft night.

10- Vassell. ( Backup 2/3).
*** trade Oubre to Dallas for Seth Curry /18. Curry can play as a backup offensive compliment to Vassell/ Rubio, Or even at the 1 with Bridges at the 2.
18- Draft Jalen Smith. ( backup 4/5).
*** Bring in Sam Merrill with a late 2nd or on a 2-way contract. **( Budget Kennard). To develop in the GLeague. He's a 6'5 point guard that's an absolutely LETHAL shooter from anywhere on the court, And whose stats are almost identical IF NOT BETTER than that of Luke Kennard anyways.

Losing Oubre would of course suck! However, We may very well otherwise lose him anyways next summer, So in trading him, We free up an additional 7-8 million in cap space. So we can now afford to sign Danilo Gallinari ( Booker's longtime mentor/ family friend)!!! Which will help in keeping his interests here with us. As good as Oubre has been, Gallinari would drastically upgrade our offense as well. Curry would be a great offensive compliment to Rubio, And give us an immensely potent scoring backcourt alongside of Booker too. In that scenario, You'd have Curry at the 1, Booker at the 2, Vassell at the 3, Bridges at the 4, And Jalen Smith at the 5, Under certain circumstances. All are also very good 3 point shooters as well.

Overall though, for defense, Curry is a pesky/ tenacious defender, And we would also still have Bridges at the 2, Vassell now at the backup 2/3, and Jalen Smith at the 4. And perhaps we also consider adding Justin Holiday too as a lockdown perimeter defender. He's also shooting over 40% from three by the way. We also do this to better balance out our roster heading into Aytons' and Bridges extensions. Maybe a lineup of:

- Rubio/ Curry/ Carter.
- Booker/ Vassell/ Jerome.
- Bridges/ Cam/ Vassell.
- Gallo/ Smith/ Cam.
- Ayton/ Baynes/ Smith.

That's very potent scoring, Balanced by very strong/ versatile defense. You could also have sporadic rotations of:

Booker/ Curry/ Vassell/ Cam/ Smith. Or an all defense rotation of:
Rubio/ Vassell/ Bridges/ Jalen Smith/ Baynes.

[Blonde]

Okoro’s FTA rate is .551. There’s not another lottery level prospect who can come close to that. It’s a pretty absurd number for a freshman with usage percentage under 20. He’ll feast at the line in the NBA and it’s one of the skills I value most highly for prospects.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Okoro’s FTA rate is .551. There’s not another lottery level prospect who can come close to that. It’s a pretty absurd number for a freshman with usage percentage under 20. He’ll feast at the line in the NBA and it’s one of the skills I value most highly for prospects.

That's like Corey Maggette level FT rate. Which also lead him to getting one of the greatest nicknames in NBA history Bad Porn... lots of penetration and scoring but nobody likes to watch it lol

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[bwgood77]

The same logic applies to Toppin. He's a dinosaur (traditional 4) in an evolving game where 4 are expected to either be able to play some small ball 5 or play some small forward. Toppin is neither. I would argue that the 4, defensively, is as important as the 5. Toppin misses the mark.

Any yet, Toppin is generally thought to go in the top 7 or so. Personally, I would avoid Toppin before I would avoid Wiseman. Wiseman is just a wildcard. If his individual workout lights up, you have to think twice on passing on him. He's a potential hybrid between a AD/Mitchell Robinson and Ayton. That's a pretty unique player.

This is all moot, in any case. I highly doubt either Toppin or Wiseman is on JJ's list. This team is drafting a point guard.

I wouldn't call Toppin a dinosaur or traditional type of PF at all. He's extremely versatile offensively, a good passer, a really good 3 pt shooter for a 4 (39% on solid volume), electrifying at running the floor and finishing, and extremely efficient with over a 68% TS%. He even blocks shots.

With Wiseman you are trusting how good he was in HS and a couple non conference college games. He likely has no range, doesn't move the ball and is a very poor free throw shooter. You are just getting a finisher and shot blocker. In his AAU games he averaged like 16/6. He did hit some 3s there, but that was in HS.

You can't really compare them too much because Toppin was a monster in college lifting a small school to like #5 in the country while Wiseman quit college so we just don't know how he is against tougher competition.

Dinosaur might be a harsh word, but his game is very reliant on the inside (both side of the ball). And that's a bad spot to be for a 4 at the next level, if you're not named Zion or Giannis. His 3pt percentage is a small sample size and his ft% isn't ideal. I wouldn't call him a shooter by any stretch. He's definitely a "dinosaur" when it comes to defense. A power forward that can't provide weak side protection is basically Saric on D. Remember the Ryan Anderson experiment or the TJ Warren at the 4... Toppin is looking to be worse than that. No thanks.

He's the Enes Kanter or Jahlil Okafor version of the power forward, assuming his offensive game translate at the next level as Okafor and Kanter has. No matter how good he's on offense, his defense will be that bad.

His 3 pters were definitely not on a small sample size. He took 2.6 3s a game, 82 for the year and hit 39%. That's a better % than most of the guards and PFs we are talking about except Halliburton. Both Hayes and Ball shoot below 30% and Avdija shoots 34.5% and 57% from the line. He's about as good of a shooting PF as you see coming out near the top end of the draft these days and has about as versatile game for a PF/C we've seen come out in awhile.

I do understand the concerns on D, as he has a similar rep to Ayton with the weakside D coming out....so I worry about that as I did with Ayton. Now you never know if someone can progress in these areas and how hard they will work at it, but his offensive game is so elite, I'd be willing to roll the dice on him if he is there when we pick (depending on who else is there).

I would probably need to know more about his work ethic...if he has a strong work ethic like it seems like Ayton and Bridges do, I'd be fine...if it was not rumored to be good, then I wouldn't.

IMO, Wiseman and Ayton are not a good pair. And where Wiseman will end up is still a crapshoot, regardless of the type of talent he has. You can have all the talent in the world but it also depends on work ethic along with many other things. Not really worth talking about him though...he won't be a Sun.

[bwgood77]

Okoro’s FTA rate is .551. There’s not another lottery level prospect who can come close to that. It’s a pretty absurd number for a freshman with usage percentage under 20. He’ll feast at the line in the NBA and it’s one of the skills I value most highly for prospects.

That's like Corey Maggette level FT rate. Which also lead him to getting one of the greatest nicknames in NBA history Bad Porn... lots of penetration and scoring but nobody likes to watch it lol

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Sounds like a good nickname for Harden.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Analyzing comparable alternatives to Luke Kennard, If we still put a premium on shooting and don't prefer to reengage Detroit on the Kennard trade. I keep coming back to SAM MERRILL of Utah State. He's 6'5 205 lbs. Has better shooting percentages than even Kennard himself, And is currently ranked as a very late 2nd to undrafted 2 way player. Now what interests me most is the immense gravity that his elite shooting would bring!
His stats indicate:
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/sam-merrill-1.html
19 points/ 4 rebounds/ 3.9 assists. and shooting percentages of- 47% FG/ EFG% 57/ TS% 62/ 42% 3 PT FG/ 89% Free throw for his career. Now imagine with this kind of shooting, IF he learns to become a great passer from Rubio? Drawing the defenses out alongside Booker and Cam, Whilst Ayton dominates in the paint, And Oubre dives strong to the rim.

Essentially we could get our own Kennard at the low cost of a two way contract possibly! Saving a bunch of cap space to not only resign Oubre, But to also keep cap flexibility for our core extensions too. Just check out the video comparisons between Merrill and Kennard, And tell me that you don't see the profound similarities?

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Lastly, If you compare the stats:

Sam Merrill
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/sam-merrill-1.html

Luke Kennard
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/k/kennalu01.html

You'll find that Merrill is actually better across the board. I for my part would love to take Vassell at 10, And then Merrill in the late 2nd or as an undrafted steal!

[WeekapaugGroove]

I wouldn't call Toppin a dinosaur or traditional type of PF at all. He's extremely versatile offensively, a good passer, a really good 3 pt shooter for a 4 (39% on solid volume), electrifying at running the floor and finishing, and extremely efficient with over a 68% TS%. He even blocks shots.

With Wiseman you are trusting how good he was in HS and a couple non conference college games. He likely has no range, doesn't move the ball and is a very poor free throw shooter. You are just getting a finisher and shot blocker. In his AAU games he averaged like 16/6. He did hit some 3s there, but that was in HS.

You can't really compare them too much because Toppin was a monster in college lifting a small school to like #5 in the country while Wiseman quit college so we just don't know how he is against tougher competition.

Dinosaur might be a harsh word, but his game is very reliant on the inside (both side of the ball). And that's a bad spot to be for a 4 at the next level, if you're not named Zion or Giannis. His 3pt percentage is a small sample size and his ft% isn't ideal. I wouldn't call him a shooter by any stretch. He's definitely a "dinosaur" when it comes to defense. A power forward that can't provide weak side protection is basically Saric on D. Remember the Ryan Anderson experiment or the TJ Warren at the 4... Toppin is looking to be worse than that. No thanks.

He's the Enes Kanter or Jahlil Okafor version of the power forward, assuming his offensive game translate at the next level as Okafor and Kanter has. No matter how good he's on offense, his defense will be that bad.

His 3 pters were definitely not on a small sample size. He took 2.6 3s a game, 82 for the year and hit 39%. That's a better % than most of the guards and PFs we are talking about except Halliburton. Both Hayes and Ball shoot below 30% and Avdija shoots 34.5% and 57% from the line. He's about as good of a shooting PF as you see coming out near the top end of the draft these days and has about as versatile game for a PF/C we've seen come out in awhile.

I do understand the concerns on D, as he has a similar rep to Ayton with the weakside D coming out....so I worry about that as I did with Ayton. Now you never know if someone can progress in these areas and how hard they will work at it, but his offensive game is so elite, I'd be willing to roll the dice on him if he is there when we pick (depending on who else is there).

I would probably need to know more about his work ethic...if he has a strong work ethic like it seems like Ayton and Bridges do, I'd be fine...if it was not rumored to be good, then I wouldn't.

IMO, Wiseman and Ayton are not a good pair. And where Wiseman will end up is still a crapshoot, regardless of the type of talent he has. You can have all the talent in the world but it also depends on work ethic along with many other things. Not really worth talking about him though...he won't be a Sun.

I'm not as concerned with the defensive awareness issues he has (much like Ayton) because he's a smart player and those guys tend to at least somewhat figure that **** out enough to be passable. I'm more concerned that he simply can't move his feet well enough to stay in front of today's 4s. Now if he can play some C that would make me more comfortable with him. Thoughts on how he would hold up as a C?

My current standing with Topin is I wouldn't take him top 4 but at 10 sure I'd be fine taking him even if he only ever peaks as a super bench scorer.

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[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Dinosaur might be a harsh word, but his game is very reliant on the inside (both side of the ball). And that's a bad spot to be for a 4 at the next level, if you're not named Zion or Giannis. His 3pt percentage is a small sample size and his ft% isn't ideal. I wouldn't call him a shooter by any stretch. He's definitely a "dinosaur" when it comes to defense. A power forward that can't provide weak side protection is basically Saric on D. Remember the Ryan Anderson experiment or the TJ Warren at the 4... Toppin is looking to be worse than that. No thanks.

He's the Enes Kanter or Jahlil Okafor version of the power forward, assuming his offensive game translate at the next level as Okafor and Kanter has. No matter how good he's on offense, his defense will be that bad.

His 3 pters were definitely not on a small sample size. He took 2.6 3s a game, 82 for the year and hit 39%. That's a better % than most of the guards and PFs we are talking about except Halliburton. Both Hayes and Ball shoot below 30% and Avdija shoots 34.5% and 57% from the line. He's about as good of a shooting PF as you see coming out near the top end of the draft these days and has about as versatile game for a PF/C we've seen come out in awhile.

I do understand the concerns on D, as he has a similar rep to Ayton with the weakside D coming out....so I worry about that as I did with Ayton. Now you never know if someone can progress in these areas and how hard they will work at it, but his offensive game is so elite, I'd be willing to roll the dice on him if he is there when we pick (depending on who else is there).

I would probably need to know more about his work ethic...if he has a strong work ethic like it seems like Ayton and Bridges do, I'd be fine...if it was not rumored to be good, then I wouldn't.

IMO, Wiseman and Ayton are not a good pair. And where Wiseman will end up is still a crapshoot, regardless of the type of talent he has. You can have all the talent in the world but it also depends on work ethic along with many other things. Not really worth talking about him though...he won't be a Sun.

I'm not as concerned with the defensive awareness issues he has (much like Ayton) because he's a smart player and those guys tend to at least somewhat figure that **** out enough to be passable. I'm more concerned that he simply can't move his feet well enough to stay in front of today's 4s. Now if he can play some C that would make me more comfortable with him. Thoughts on how he would hold up as a C?

My current standing with Topin is I wouldn't take him top 4 but at 10 sure I'd be fine taking him even if he only ever peaks as a super bench scorer.

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I think, what's more important than Wiseman and Ayton's fit is Wiseman's mentality. I worry that he would not accept a role as Deandre's backup.

It finally occurred to me to stop ignoring the obvious. There are several promising young center prospects who will be available later in the draft - Carey, Azubuike, Tillman, Oturu and maybe Jalen Smith if he slips. We could really use a capable third string center. The game itself seems to hate bigs these days, but I think the anti-bigs sentiment has gone too far and driven down the draft stock of prospective rotation bigs beyond what is reasonable. These guys are solid prospects and in many years this would be considered a very strong bigs class. We really should take advantage. Buy a SRP or trade down from #10 to get multiple picks. Let's go get us some long boys!!

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Ha that last one is for their 2019 rankings. Those guys do great analyses but they really hate to update their rankings.

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Ha that last one is for their 2019 rankings. Those guys do great analyses but they really hate to update their rankings.

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Lol... My bad man! It's not always good to be in a rush it seems. And you're right! They should definitely update their rankings. Apart from that, Did you come across anything of note or interest?

[bwgood77]

Dinosaur might be a harsh word, but his game is very reliant on the inside (both side of the ball). And that's a bad spot to be for a 4 at the next level, if you're not named Zion or Giannis. His 3pt percentage is a small sample size and his ft% isn't ideal. I wouldn't call him a shooter by any stretch. He's definitely a "dinosaur" when it comes to defense. A power forward that can't provide weak side protection is basically Saric on D. Remember the Ryan Anderson experiment or the TJ Warren at the 4... Toppin is looking to be worse than that. No thanks.

He's the Enes Kanter or Jahlil Okafor version of the power forward, assuming his offensive game translate at the next level as Okafor and Kanter has. No matter how good he's on offense, his defense will be that bad.

His 3 pters were definitely not on a small sample size. He took 2.6 3s a game, 82 for the year and hit 39%. That's a better % than most of the guards and PFs we are talking about except Halliburton. Both Hayes and Ball shoot below 30% and Avdija shoots 34.5% and 57% from the line. He's about as good of a shooting PF as you see coming out near the top end of the draft these days and has about as versatile game for a PF/C we've seen come out in awhile.

I do understand the concerns on D, as he has a similar rep to Ayton with the weakside D coming out....so I worry about that as I did with Ayton. Now you never know if someone can progress in these areas and how hard they will work at it, but his offensive game is so elite, I'd be willing to roll the dice on him if he is there when we pick (depending on who else is there).

I would probably need to know more about his work ethic...if he has a strong work ethic like it seems like Ayton and Bridges do, I'd be fine...if it was not rumored to be good, then I wouldn't.

IMO, Wiseman and Ayton are not a good pair. And where Wiseman will end up is still a crapshoot, regardless of the type of talent he has. You can have all the talent in the world but it also depends on work ethic along with many other things. Not really worth talking about him though...he won't be a Sun.

I'm not as concerned with the defensive awareness issues he has (much like Ayton) because he's a smart player and those guys tend to at least somewhat figure that **** out enough to be passable. I'm more concerned that he simply can't move his feet well enough to stay in front of today's 4s. Now if he can play some C that would make me more comfortable with him. Thoughts on how he would hold up as a C?

My current standing with Topin is I wouldn't take him top 4 but at 10 sure I'd be fine taking him even if he only ever peaks as a super bench scorer.

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As far as moving feet to stay in front of 4s, I think just because he hasn't done that well or has struggled, doesn't mean he can't. He's a super athlete. I'm sure with work that is something he would improve with. Toppin seems like a guy that suddenly had such an enormous spotlight on him that he was picked apart big time. You hear less about Hayes shooting 29% from 3 or LaMelo shooting 25% from 3 which are big problems having a lead guard who can't shoot. People start comparing Toppin's D to guys based on players in the NBA, when people complain about Rubio shooting 35% from 3 and that being awful....when guys shooting from a closer distance against inferior competition are not even close to that.

Guys can work on things and improve.

1 on 1 D isn't nearly as important as team D anyway with all the switching.

But for me, with Toppin, it's more about the fact that all of the players have weaknesses somewhere, though maybe a guy like Vassell less than some, but he also has a phenomenal offensive game. Everything you'd want from a 4...can run, spread the floor, dunk, finish, be efficient, good passer, etc. I don't know if I can say anyone else in the draft is as strong on one side of the ball as he is with his offensive game for a modern 4.

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My current standing with Topin is I wouldn't take him top 4 but at 10 sure I'd be fine taking him even if he only ever peaks as a super bench scorer.

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As far as moving feet to stay in front of 4s, I think just because he hasn't done that well or has struggled, doesn't mean he can't. He's a super athlete. I'm sure with work that is something he would improve with. Toppin seems like a guy that suddenly had such an enormous spotlight on him that he was picked apart big time. You hear less about Hayes shooting 29% from 3 or LaMelo shooting 25% from 3 which are big problems having a lead guard who can't shoot. People start comparing Toppin's D to guys based on players in the NBA, when people complain about Rubio shooting 35% from 3 and that being awful....when guys shooting from a closer distance against inferior competition are not even close to that.

Guys can work on things and improve.

1 on 1 D isn't nearly as important as team D anyway with all the switching.

But for me, with Toppin, it's more about the fact that all of the players have weaknesses somewhere, though maybe a guy like Vassell less than some, but he also has a phenomenal offensive game. Everything you'd want from a 4...can run, spread the floor, dunk, finish, be efficient, good passer, etc. I don't know if I can say anyone else in the draft is as strong on one side of the ball as he is with his offensive game for a modern 4.

There are draft evaluators who are way more knowledgeable than me on biomechanics and hip movement. They all seem to think he doesn't have the lateral movement to be anything but a liability on D. These "experts" are known to be wrong, so I can see the other side of the coin.

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My current standing with Topin is I wouldn't take him top 4 but at 10 sure I'd be fine taking him even if he only ever peaks as a super bench scorer.

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As far as moving feet to stay in front of 4s, I think just because he hasn't done that well or has struggled, doesn't mean he can't. He's a super athlete. I'm sure with work that is something he would improve with. Toppin seems like a guy that suddenly had such an enormous spotlight on him that he was picked apart big time. You hear less about Hayes shooting 29% from 3 or LaMelo shooting 25% from 3 which are big problems having a lead guard who can't shoot. People start comparing Toppin's D to guys based on players in the NBA, when people complain about Rubio shooting 35% from 3 and that being awful....when guys shooting from a closer distance against inferior competition are not even close to that.

Guys can work on things and improve.

1 on 1 D isn't nearly as important as team D anyway with all the switching.

But for me, with Toppin, it's more about the fact that all of the players have weaknesses somewhere, though maybe a guy like Vassell less than some, but he also has a phenomenal offensive game. Everything you'd want from a 4...can run, spread the floor, dunk, finish, be efficient, good passer, etc. I don't know if I can say anyone else in the draft is as strong on one side of the ball as he is with his offensive game for a modern 4.

There are draft evaluators who are way more knowledgeable than me on biomechanics and hip movement. They all seem to think he doesn't have the lateral movement to be anything but a liability on D. These "experts" are known to be wrong, so I can see the other side of the coin.

Yeah I think I've heard some of the same, that's why I was asking originally. Personally I haven't watched enough of him or have the expertise to make my own judgement on that.

As far as shooting with guys like ball and Hayes I get the argument but shooting is absolutely something guys can develop and improve on, there's tons of examples on that. But we shouldn't nessesarily think ALL guys can/will develop a shot.

Physical limitations are a different animal. Sometimes theres little you can do about that, it's why I generally dislike little PGs but hey Chris Paul has had a hell of a career so it's not always a killer.

As far as Toppin specifically like I said before I have some faith that a smart hardworking guy can at least get to a passable level on D. He's a hell of an offensive player, no argument there. I'd still pass on him top 4 but at 10 I'd be fine with the pick.

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Thanks! Looks like my dream of Haliburton falling to 10 won't happen but I'd gladly scoop up Hayes there.

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Thanks! Looks like my dream of Haliburton falling to 10 won't happen but I'd gladly scoop up Hayes there.

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Yeah, Definitely! I think that Hayes is getting somewhat underrated by a few pundits/ scouts mainly due to his propensity to be left side dominant and his lack of elite burst and/or elite athleticism, However, I surely wouldn't pass on him IF he by some bizarre turn of events does fall to 10. And this is from a big time Grant Riller endorser! ( Although I'm also quite fond of Tyrell Terry too)! But having said that, I still don't see any way that he realistically falls to us at 10, With all of Minnesota/ Detroit/ New York/ Chicago/ Charlotte/ and even perhaps Washington having a vested interest in that very position as well. I didn't mention Atlanta, As I believe that either they or Minnesota may quite likely choose to draft Edward's or Okoro possibly too. But my gut tells me that Atlanta will take Haliburton, And that Minnesota will likely look at Okoro ( to replace the Jimmy Butler/ Covington options they surrendered via trade. And shortly after, New York will look to take Hayes, As aside from Melo, He's their next biggest target repeatedly mentioned by their fans. But stranger things have been known to happen

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Thanks! Looks like my dream of Haliburton falling to 10 won't happen but I'd gladly scoop up Hayes there.

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Yeah, Definitely! I think that Hayes is getting somewhat underrated by a few pundits/ scouts mainly due to his propensity to be left side dominant and his lack of elite burst and/or elite athleticism, However, I surely wouldn't pass on him IF he by some bizarre turn of events does fall to 10. And this is from a big time Grant Riller endorser! ( Although I'm also quite fond of Tyrell Terry too)! But having said that, I still don't see any way that he realistically falls to us at 10, With all of Minnesota/ Detroit/ New York/ Chicago/ Charlotte/ and even perhaps Washington having a vested interest in that very position as well. I didn't mention Atlanta, As I believe that either they or Minnesota may quite likely choose to draft Edward's or Okoro possibly too. But my gut tells me that Atlanta will take Haliburton, And that Minnesota will likely look at Okoro ( to replace the Jimmy Butler/ Covington options they surrendered via trade. And shortly after, New York will look to take Hayes, As aside from Melo, He's their next biggest target repeatedly mentioned by their fans. But stranger things have been known to happen

Terry is an interesting prospect who I need to look at more because he seems like the type of player Jones likes (shooting, BBIQ).

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Thanks! Looks like my dream of Haliburton falling to 10 won't happen but I'd gladly scoop up Hayes there.

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Yeah, Definitely! I think that Hayes is getting somewhat underrated by a few pundits/ scouts mainly due to his propensity to be left side dominant and his lack of elite burst and/or elite athleticism, However, I surely wouldn't pass on him IF he by some bizarre turn of events does fall to 10. And this is from a big time Grant Riller endorser! ( Although I'm also quite fond of Tyrell Terry too)! But having said that, I still don't see any way that he realistically falls to us at 10, With all of Minnesota/ Detroit/ New York/ Chicago/ Charlotte/ and even perhaps Washington having a vested interest in that very position as well. I didn't mention Atlanta, As I believe that either they or Minnesota may quite likely choose to draft Edward's or Okoro possibly too. But my gut tells me that Atlanta will take Haliburton, And that Minnesota will likely look at Okoro ( to replace the Jimmy Butler/ Covington options they surrendered via trade. And shortly after, New York will look to take Hayes, As aside from Melo, He's their next biggest target repeatedly mentioned by their fans. But stranger things have been known to happen

Terry is an interesting prospect who I need to look at more because he seems like the type of player Jones likes (shooting, BBIQ).

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He definitely has Trae Young/ possibly Steph Curry ( ultimate ceiling) potential. He definitely needs to get stronger, However, His IQ is off the charts. And his crafty scoring and passing is very promising too. Really, the only thing holding him back is his current lack of size and strength. I really think he gets much stronger with a professional strength training program. And with the proper diet. Trae Young is listed at 6'1 180 lbs. And Terry is currently listed at 6'1 160 lbs. So, only 20 lbs could possibly separate him from similar production? I'd definitely bank on their being only a 20 lb Disparity being highly fixable situation.

But I must absolutely also endorse this player continually as well, As he's currently ranked as a late 2nd round to undrafted prospect. And that prospect is Sam Merrill. Merrill actually has better career shooting percentages that that of Kennard himself!
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/sam-merrill-1.html

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/k/kennalu01.html
And IF you could basically get a Kennard clone to play alongside of Booker or Rubio at the mere cost of a late 2nd or a two way contract, Wouldn't you have to seriously consider it??? As it's been said many times, You can never have too much shooting or elite offense!