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[KillMonger]

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Today's edition of the Orlando Magic organization coddling professional basketball players. Silly me for thinking these exhibition games are designed for players to get back in game shape and knock off rust.

dude i had the same reaction.....coach....it's a scrimmage coach.....you telling me that a player coming off one of the healthiest seasons he's had......young and has been running and jumping at a high level since high school can't play in a scrimmage.....STOP BABYING THESE PLAYERS......yeah he may need to get his wind up but i highly doubt that in this time off he suddenly forgot how to play basketball.....man who knows

[RookieStar]

Wow... I mean.. why? Why are we hiding them? I get JI because he has injury history.. and maybe Mo becuase he looks like an injury waiting to happen.. but Fultz? He is as healthy as can be.

Are we gonna use the regular season for their * dusting off cobwebs*?

[Knightro]

Someone call me when Fultz doesn't play in a regular season game because he's out of shape

These are scrimmages for goodness sake.

I would also suggest we consider the possibility that Clifford is "punishing" some of his younger guys for not keeping themselves in optimal shape during the layoff.

And if you're gonna be hard on a young guy, it certainly makes sense to do it now before the games start counting, which is still 8 days from now for what it's worth.

[KillMonger]

Someone call me when Fultz doesn't play in a regular season

These are scrimmages for goodness sake. Some of y'all need to relax.

it being a scrimmage is the reason he should be playing like.....it's a game that literally doesn't matter why are we treating the kid like he's injured and can't play in a glorified practice run? it's becoming a pattern that we have seen with bamba/JI and pretty sure we're going to do it all over again with Chuma

[TheGlyde]

Penny Hardaway & Grant Hill I guess is why...

Two incredibly talented young players that could have led the Magic to titles and been all-time greats, but rushed back before they were fully healed, were repeatedly re-injured, and before long were a shadow of their former selves...

[PrimeThyme]

Yeah, I'm calm I'm just flat out over the coddling of players. I mean how many other guys are sitting out or playing less than 6 minutes due to being out of shape? Mitchell and Gobert had the virus for god's sake and just racked up 20 plus minutes tonight. Some level of caution is expected, but this franchise has taken it to a new level since Weltman took over Bball ops. && I'm quite honestly failing to see the benefit.

[Knightro]

Yeah, I'm just flat out over the coddling of players. I mean how many other guys are sitting out or playing less than 6 minutes due to being out of shape? Mitchell and Gobert for god's sake had the virus and just racked up 20 plus minutes tonight. Some level of caution is expected, but this franchise has taken it to a new level since Weltman took over Bball ops. && I'm quite honestly failing to see the benefit.

Fultz was literally on pace to play 81 games this year (starting 76 of them) before the season was postponed and people are losing their minds because the Magic are holding him out of two meaningless scrimmages.

[RookieStar]

Im not losing my mind but I am genuinely curious as to the reason why. I mean we have 2 days before the next scrimmage right? Won't Fultz be practicing at 100%? Or are we doing only *light* non-contact for him? Aren't these scrimmages supposedly glorified televised practice?

[RookieStar]

But yeah, I am not the Magic org. I think I will jjst trust what they are dling becausr they are the ones with the billion dollar business/team/investment on this lol

[Knightro]

When Markelle Fultz or any other Magic player is held out of a regular season game because of "conditioning" reasons, I give every single person on the board permission to roast me.

Until that happens, just take a breath lol.

[PrimeThyme]

Fultz was literally on pace to play 81 games this year (starting 76 of them) before the season was postponed and people are losing their minds because the Magic are holding him out of two meaningless scrimmages.

This is just whacky over the top.

I think you're not grasping people's frustration. In a vacuum, this wouldn't be something I'd take much issue with but when you factor in how they have coddled every single young player (including Fultz) on this team since they took over, it changes the situation imo.

[Knightro]

I think you're not grasping people's frustration. In a vacuum, this wouldn't be something I'd take much issue with but when you factor in how they have coddled every single young player (including Fultz) on this team since they took over, it changes the situation imo. But I'm not going to try to change your mind on it and can respect your opinion without labeling it whacky or telling you to calm down.

Like I said, I think there a legitimate possibility this is the exact opposite of a coddling situation and it's a subtle "punishment" from Clifford to Fultz and Bamba for not coming to the bubble in optimal shape.

Now Bamba is clearly out of shape, but I'm convinced that Fultz could have played 30+ minutes in an NBA game today if the Magic had a do or die to get into the playoffs.

[OrlandO]

Someone call me when Fultz doesn't play in a regular season game because he's out of shape

These are scrimmages for goodness sake. Some of y'all need to relax.

I would also suggest we consider the possibility that Clifford is "punishing" some of his younger guys for not keeping themselves in optimal shape during the layoff.

And if you're gonna be hard on a young guy, it certainly makes sense to do it now before the games start counting, which is still 8 days from now for what it's worth.

My guess is they're being cautious because of his TOS condition... it would make sense to bring him along slowly after 4 months off and limited access to training/facilities/treatment.

[KillMonger]

Someone call me when Fultz doesn't play in a regular season game because he's out of shape

These are scrimmages for goodness sake. Some of y'all need to relax.

I would also suggest we consider the possibility that Clifford is "punishing" some of his younger guys for not keeping themselves in optimal shape during the layoff.

And if you're gonna be hard on a young guy, it certainly makes sense to do it now before the games start counting, which is still 8 days from now for what it's worth.

My guess is they're being cautious because of his TOS condition... it would make sense to bring him along slowly after 4 months off and limited access to training/facilities/treatment.

Except Fultz in an interview before the restart says he's feeling good....the notion that clifford would be punishing guys on that basis in this climate is kinda laughable imo...i wish someone would punish me for not being able to go to the gym during a lockdown/stay in place order....ultimately it doesn't really matter, he's going to play at some point soon but i'm just getting a bit tired of the magic being too cautious....it's like that parent that won't let you go anywhere by yourself because they're afraid of anything and everything that "could" happen to you....it seems to be a pattern with the young core guys Fultz/JI/Bamba and i would bet the house they're going to pull the same strategy with Chuma

[Knightro]

Except Fultz in an interview before the restart says he's feeling good....the notion that clifford would be punishing guys on that basis in this climate is kinda laughable imo...i wish someone would punish me for not being able to go to the gym during a lockdown/stay in place order....ultimately it doesn't really matter, he's going to play at some point soon but i'm just getting a bit tired of the magic being too cautious....it's like that parent that won't let you go anywhere by yourself because they're afraid of anything and everything that "could" happen to you....it seems to be a pattern with the young core guys Fultz/JI/Bamba and i would bet the house they're going to pull the same strategy with Chuma

Players lie to the media all the time. So do head coaches. Neither of them have any real incentive to be 100% forthcoming with the media.

I would take virtually anything said publicly by anyone involved with the Orlando Magic organization with a grain of salt. That goes for Weltman, Martins, Clifford, any of the players.

Hammond actually seems like the one guy who is willing to give mostly honest nuggets of information, the times he does speak.

[KillMonger]

Except Fultz in an interview before the restart says he's feeling good....the notion that clifford would be punishing guys on that basis in this climate is kinda laughable imo...i wish someone would punish me for not being able to go to the gym during a lockdown/stay in place order....ultimately it doesn't really matter, he's going to play at some point soon but i'm just getting a bit tired of the magic being too cautious....it's like that parent that won't let you go anywhere by yourself because they're afraid of anything and everything that "could" happen to you....it seems to be a pattern with the young core guys Fultz/JI/Bamba and i would bet the house they're going to pull the same strategy with Chuma

Players lie to the media all the time. So do head coaches. Neither of them have any real incentive to be 100% forthcoming with the media.

I would take virtually anything said publicly by anyone involved with the Orlando Magic organization with a grain of salt. That goes for Weltman, Martins, Clifford, any of the players.

Hammond actually seems like the one guy who is willing to give mostly honest nuggets of information, the times he does speak.

yeah but why lie about this though i mean....it's like playing poker when you're the only one at the table....who are we hiding our cards from? listen man it doesn't really matter but at this point every player is out of sorts, just let them play... i can't imagine anything that will get you back in game shape than playing the game full speed full contact....i like said before it's only a matter of when so this doesn't really matter that much but i'm just tired of the magic doing the same old same

[J the Drafter]

Except Fultz in an interview before the restart says he's feeling good....the notion that clifford would be punishing guys on that basis in this climate is kinda laughable imo...i wish someone would punish me for not being able to go to the gym during a lockdown/stay in place order....ultimately it doesn't really matter, he's going to play at some point soon but i'm just getting a bit tired of the magic being too cautious....it's like that parent that won't let you go anywhere by yourself because they're afraid of anything and everything that "could" happen to you....it seems to be a pattern with the young core guys Fultz/JI/Bamba and i would bet the house they're going to pull the same strategy with Chuma

Players lie to the media all the time. So do head coaches. Neither of them have any real incentive to be 100% forthcoming with the media.

I would take virtually anything said publicly by anyone involved with the Orlando Magic organization with a grain of salt. That goes for Weltman, Martins, Clifford, any of the players.

Hammond actually seems like the one guy who is willing to give mostly honest nuggets of information, the times he does speak.

yeah but why lie about this though i mean....it's like playing poker when you're the only one at the table....who are we hiding our cards from? listen man it doesn't really matter but at this point every player is out of sorts, just let them play... i can't imagine anything that will get you back in game shape than playing the game full speed full contact....i like said before it's only a matter of when so this doesn't really matter that much but i'm just tired of the magic doing the same old same

There’s a quote I heard somewhere: “You don’t play games to get in shape. You get in shape to play games.” If Fultz isn’t ready to play, putting him through a conditioning course designed to get him in game shape is more effective than simply playing.

[KillMonger]

Players lie to the media all the time. So do head coaches. Neither of them have any real incentive to be 100% forthcoming with the media.

I would take virtually anything said publicly by anyone involved with the Orlando Magic organization with a grain of salt. That goes for Weltman, Martins, Clifford, any of the players.

Hammond actually seems like the one guy who is willing to give mostly honest nuggets of information, the times he does speak.

yeah but why lie about this though i mean....it's like playing poker when you're the only one at the table....who are we hiding our cards from? listen man it doesn't really matter but at this point every player is out of sorts, just let them play... i can't imagine anything that will get you back in game shape than playing the game full speed full contact....i like said before it's only a matter of when so this doesn't really matter that much but i'm just tired of the magic doing the same old same

There’s a quote I heard somewhere: “You don’t play games to get in shape. You get in shape to play games.” If Fultz isn’t ready to play, putting him through a conditioning course designed to get him in game shape is more effective than simply playing.

if that were true i would agree but we don't know for sure other than what they say...just me personally i tend to take these guys at face value just not the front office so if they say they're good i feel they're good...also i mean i expect some cautiousness but to this extent? i'm not sure....i mean Bol Bol just played 32 minutes in his debut coming off an injury also coming out of lockdown just like bamba with limited access to high performance training and treatment but he plays that many minutes and bamba plays 6 minutes....to me that's the magic organization being the magic organization....i mean i somewhat get JI even though it's been 7 months since he's been injured....but as far as we know bamba and Fultz.....fully healthy.....i get the why, i just don't get the extent....why go this far with it? when the benefits have yet to be seen?

[OrlandO]

Someone call me when Fultz doesn't play in a regular season game because he's out of shape

These are scrimmages for goodness sake. Some of y'all need to relax.

I would also suggest we consider the possibility that Clifford is "punishing" some of his younger guys for not keeping themselves in optimal shape during the layoff.

And if you're gonna be hard on a young guy, it certainly makes sense to do it now before the games start counting, which is still 8 days from now for what it's worth.

My guess is they're being cautious because of his TOS condition... it would make sense to bring him along slowly after 4 months off and limited access to training/facilities/treatment.

Except Fultz in an interview before the restart says he's feeling good....the notion that clifford would be punishing guys on that basis in this climate is kinda laughable imo...i wish someone would punish me for not being able to go to the gym during a lockdown/stay in place order....ultimately it doesn't really matter, he's going to play at some point soon but i'm just getting a bit tired of the magic being too cautious....it's like that parent that won't let you go anywhere by yourself because they're afraid of anything and everything that "could" happen to you....it seems to be a pattern with the young core guys Fultz/JI/Bamba and i would bet the house they're going to pull the same strategy with Chuma

Doubt he's being punished. A lot of players are out of game shape. The difference is Fultz has a medical condition that requires special management on a regular basis to keep debilitating symptoms from resurfacing. It's not about feeling good today, it's about making sure he feels good for the rest of the season and into the off season in preparation for next season. See his time in Philly to see how "feeling good" can quickly go south for him if caution is not taken. The Magic have done well to keep him healthy up to this point, so if they think easing him back after extended hiatus is in his best interest then I'm all for it.

The pattern for these young players is injury.... it's not like there isn't reason to be cautious with them.

[KillMonger]

i mean i get it, i just hope the cautiousness pays off and doesn't stunt growth