Blaming "the others" is for *please use a better term to describe your displeasure*

[Trey24]

Yes, we know this phenomenon is very common when speaking LeBron. He is never in fault.

Now how in the hell could you say something like this? It isn't Lebron's fault that things are never his fault!

[NBA Sheady]

Sissies = LMFAO

Throwback toxic masculinity.

This is how you talk online argument

Google translate?

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

I think this argument was semi valid like 20-30 years ago. Like, I have no problem with Barkley because he couldn't move teams freely, he had to wait until the end of his career to get a shot.

It's not that way any more. Players move freely now once their rookie contract's over, even sooner if you get into the league as a walk on. Players have way more control and input now.

[babyjax13]

I'm sorry, but straight people don't get to use the word sissy, and it definitely shouldn't just be thrown around as a derogatory term for people. IDK what is up with people using homophobic terms on the board this week (I'm giving people the benefit of the doubt that they don't know, but man, it really seems like people should know).

[therealbig3]

Is it outside the realm of possibility that these guys were so great that were capable of dragging their teams to a higher level of success than they reasonably warranted given the strength of the supporting cast, and that’s why they’re given a lot of praise for what they were able to accomplish? But they eventually ran into good enough teams that they couldn’t overachieve with, and the difference in supporting casts played out the way it was supposed to? Which is why they shouldn’t get overwhelming blame when their team does lose?

Recognizing the weakness in the supporting cast and giving props to the superstar for taking them further than they should have gone, while also acknowledging that the limitations of the supporting cast was going to lead them to lose to a legitimately better team no matter what they did is not a contradiction or a double standard. It’s called context.

Like, 2018 LeBron taking the Cavs to the Finals was nothing short of miraculous, don’t really care how much you want to disparage the East that year, that was a weak supporting cast for a team in the Finals. Losing to GS doesn’t diminish his accomplishment that year, because LeBron could have literally been Basketball God and he wasn’t going to lead that team over GS. So saying he “lost” and should get the same amount of blame for losing in the Finals as he gets credit for taking his team to the Finals misses the point.

We’ll leave the sexist/homophobic comments out of this.

[PintSizedBox10]

It’s funny how our idea of greatness comes from movie plots where our “hero” must prevail no matter what difficult obstacles he must face.

And to me it has become much worse over the past decade. Social media has contributed immensely to this hot take era we find ourselves in.



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[G35]

Sissies = LMFAO

Throwback toxic masculinity.

This is how you talk online argument

Google translate?

Yeah there is some type of translator needed for these sensitive feelings you have about males.....

[Texas Chuck]

I'm sorry, but straight people don't get to use the word sissy, and it definitely shouldn't just be thrown around as a derogatory term for people. IDK what is up with people using homophobic terms on the board this week (I'm giving people the benefit of the doubt that they don't know, but man, it really seems like people should know).

I appreciate you reminding us all of these things. We can and should be more careful with our words.

edit: I also strive to give people the benefit of the doubt as you do. I tend to react too quickly and assume the worst. Someone says something homophobic, misogynist, racist, etc I'm usually quick to jump in judgment. Appreciate your forbearance and leading by example.

[NBA Sheady]

This is how you talk online argument

Google translate?

Yeah there is some type of translator needed for these sensitive feelings you have about males.....

Ok boomer

[nikster]

I'm sorry, but straight people don't get to use the word sissy, and it definitely shouldn't just be thrown around as a derogatory term for people. IDK what is up with people using homophobic terms on the board this week (I'm giving people the benefit of the doubt that they don't know, but man, it really seems like people should know).

I thought sissy was basically calling someone a woman, Implying weak or feminine. Didn't relize it was a homiphobic term.

[babyjax13]

I'm sorry, but straight people don't get to use the word sissy, and it definitely shouldn't just be thrown around as a derogatory term for people. IDK what is up with people using homophobic terms on the board this week (I'm giving people the benefit of the doubt that they don't know, but man, it really seems like people should know).

I thought sissy was basically calling someone a woman, Implying weak or feminine. Didn't relize it was a homiphobic term.

No worries, it's generally used to make fun of feminine gay men (like my boyfriend), thanks for being willing to listen : )

[NZB2323]

It can go both ways. People say that Dirk winning in 2011 is more impressive than KG winning in 2008 because KG had a better supporting cast.

Also, it's much better to criticize Lebron for losing in 2011 when he had Wade and Bosh and averaged 18, 7, and 7 with a 54 TS% in the finals than in 2009 when he had Mo Williams and Anderson Varejao and averaged 39, 8, and 8 with a 59 TS% in the conference semifinals.

Context is important.

[NZB2323]

Is it outside the realm of possibility that these guys were so great that were capable of dragging their teams to a higher level of success than they reasonably warranted given the strength of the supporting cast, and that’s why they’re given a lot of praise for what they were able to accomplish? But they eventually ran into good enough teams that they couldn’t overachieve with, and the difference in supporting casts played out the way it was supposed to? Which is why they shouldn’t get overwhelming blame when their team does lose?

Recognizing the weakness in the supporting cast and giving props to the superstar for taking them further than they should have gone, while also acknowledging that the limitations of the supporting cast was going to lead them to lose to a legitimately better team no matter what they did is not a contradiction or a double standard. It’s called context.

Like, 2018 LeBron taking the Cavs to the Finals was nothing short of miraculous, don’t really care how much you want to disparage the East that year, that was a weak supporting cast for a team in the Finals. Losing to GS doesn’t diminish his accomplishment that year, because LeBron could have literally been Basketball God and he wasn’t going to lead that team over GS. So saying he “lost” and should get the same amount of blame for losing in the Finals as he gets credit for taking his team to the Finals misses the point.

We’ll leave the sexist/homophobic comments out of this.

Hahaha, beating the 2018 Pacers, Raptors, and Celtics wasn't anything close to a miracle. Him beating GS in the finals would have been miraculous.

[therealbig3]

Is it outside the realm of possibility that these guys were so great that were capable of dragging their teams to a higher level of success than they reasonably warranted given the strength of the supporting cast, and that’s why they’re given a lot of praise for what they were able to accomplish? But they eventually ran into good enough teams that they couldn’t overachieve with, and the difference in supporting casts played out the way it was supposed to? Which is why they shouldn’t get overwhelming blame when their team does lose?

Recognizing the weakness in the supporting cast and giving props to the superstar for taking them further than they should have gone, while also acknowledging that the limitations of the supporting cast was going to lead them to lose to a legitimately better team no matter what they did is not a contradiction or a double standard. It’s called context.

Like, 2018 LeBron taking the Cavs to the Finals was nothing short of miraculous, don’t really care how much you want to disparage the East that year, that was a weak supporting cast for a team in the Finals. Losing to GS doesn’t diminish his accomplishment that year, because LeBron could have literally been Basketball God and he wasn’t going to lead that team over GS. So saying he “lost” and should get the same amount of blame for losing in the Finals as he gets credit for taking his team to the Finals misses the point.

We’ll leave the sexist/homophobic comments out of this.

Hahaha, beating the 2018 Pacers, Raptors, and Celtics wasn't anything close to a miracle. Him beating GS in the finals would have been miraculous.

Lol, case in point. His supporting cast that year was trash. Shouldn’t have beaten the Pacers, Raptors, or Celtics, but because of his greatness, they beat all 3. That’s the point here. He deserves nothing but praise for that playoff run.

[KingDavid]

I'm sorry, but straight people don't get to use the word sissy, and it definitely shouldn't just be thrown around as a derogatory term for people. IDK what is up with people using homophobic terms on the board this week (I'm giving people the benefit of the doubt that they don't know, but man, it really seems like people should know).

.....so it is homophobic?!

I apologize for leaving that title up for this long. I'll put this in the OP but the following needs to be said;

If anyone is offended by anything on this board, PLEASE REPORT THE POST. It will be handled.

[Dupp]

Why is this still a thread?

[Capn'O]

What are "Posthumous Albums By Frank Zappa?"

Was hoping this thread was about Lost and John Locke. Oh well.

Ok, actually you win.

[EAS Law]

Wait a minute... “sissies” is now a “slur”? Was the original thread title something else or have we seriously entered the upper echelon of political correctness? Toxic masculinity? Lmao because of the word “sissy”....? Just wow.

[EAS Law]

I'm sorry, but straight people don't get to use the word sissy, and it definitely shouldn't just be thrown around as a derogatory term for people. IDK what is up with people using homophobic terms on the board this week (I'm giving people the benefit of the doubt that they don't know, but man, it really seems like people should know).

I thought sissy was basically calling someone a woman, Implying weak or feminine. Didn't relize it was a homiphobic term.

It’s not... this is completely made up and an attempt to wield some sort of power on the basis of the fear of offending or coming across as homophobic. New levels reached every day on this board.

This is literally something that can be searched in Google and there is zero reference to homosexuality whatsoever. What’s interesting is that if you’re offended by being inappropriately labeled ___phobic or ___ist, that’s apparently a “too bad” situation, but if someone claims to belong to some protected class and claims to be offended by something considered harmless for all of human history, we change policies, guidelines, demand apologies, censor and ostracize.

[babyjax13]

I'm sorry, but straight people don't get to use the word sissy, and it definitely shouldn't just be thrown around as a derogatory term for people. IDK what is up with people using homophobic terms on the board this week (I'm giving people the benefit of the doubt that they don't know, but man, it really seems like people should know).

I thought sissy was basically calling someone a woman, Implying weak or feminine. Didn't relize it was a homiphobic term.

It’s not... this is completely made up and an attempt to wield some sort of power on the basis of the fear of offending or coming across as homophobic. New levels reached every day on this board.

This is literally something that can be searched in Google and there is zero reference to homosexuality whatsoever. What’s interesting is that if you’re offended by being inappropriately labeled ___phobic or ___ist, that’s apparently a “too bad” situation, but if someone claims to belong to some protected class and claims to be offended by something considered harmless for all of human history, we change policies, guidelines, demand apologies, censor and ostracize.

I mean, as a gay guy I think I know what words people use in a derogatory way, and as someone who studies gender and race as a vocation, I'm probably more up-to-date on etymology than you are. It was one of the explosion of terms in the late victorian era that referred to 'effeminate men,' and the efforts to classify and 'fix' queer folx.

To make it easier for you, here is literally the first result when I google homophobia + sissy (ymmv, but this should be easy for someone with your ability to do research):

“The word sissy was popularized by Teddy Roosevelt as a way to describe young men who did not play tackle football — at a time when deaths on the football field took place with shocking regularity. It was a toxic slur then and it's a toxic slur now.

“Then it was the archetype of what it meant to be a gay man in popular culture: The sissy was someone to laugh at, to mock, and off screen, to brutalize without fear of reprisals. I can understand if fans are not aware of this history, but they should learn it, accept it, and listen to people telling them that it's absolutely out of bounds.”

https://www.outsports.com/2016/10/25/13390712/sissy-gay-slur-men-sports-explained

And, to be clear, the OP was very willing to listen and absolutely did not mean to say something derogatory (and I didn't treat it as such) so I can't help but feel you saying that this is some attempt to ostracize them is anything but politically motivated. Anyway, I hope you put those google skills to work