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Re: Blaming "the others" is for sissies 

Post#81 » by EAS Law » Sat Jul 25, 2020 1:59 am

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nikster wrote:I thought sissy was basically calling someone a woman, Implying weak or feminine. Didn't relize it was a homiphobic term.

It’s not... this is completely made up and an attempt to wield some sort of power on the basis of the fear of offending or coming across as homophobic. New levels reached every day on this board.

This is literally something that can be searched in Google and there is zero reference to homosexuality whatsoever. What’s interesting is that if you’re offended by being inappropriately labeled ___phobic or ___ist, that’s apparently a “too bad” situation, but if someone claims to belong to some protected class and claims to be offended by something considered harmless for all of human history, we change policies, guidelines, demand apologies, censor and ostracize.


I mean, as a gay guy I think I know what words people use in a derogatory way, and as someone who studies gender and race as a vocation, I'm probably more up-to-date on etymology than you are. It was one of the explosion of terms in the late victorian era that referred to 'effeminate men,' and the efforts to classify and 'fix' queer folx.

To make it easier for you, here is literally the first result when I google homophobia + sissy (ymmv, but this should be easy for someone with your ability to do research):

“The word sissy was popularized by Teddy Roosevelt as a way to describe young men who did not play tackle football — at a time when deaths on the football field took place with shocking regularity. It was a toxic slur then and it's a toxic slur now.

“Then it was the archetype of what it meant to be a gay man in popular culture: The sissy was someone to laugh at, to mock, and off screen, to brutalize without fear of reprisals. I can understand if fans are not aware of this history, but they should learn it, accept it, and listen to people telling them that it's absolutely out of bounds.”


https://www.outsports.com/2016/10/25/13390712/sissy-gay-slur-men-sports-explained

And, to be clear, the OP was very willing to listen and absolutely did not mean to say something derogatory (and I didn't treat it as such) so I can't help but feel you saying that this is some attempt to ostracize them is anything but politically motivated. Anyway, I hope you put those google skills to work :roll:

Your orientation doesn’t change the meaning of a word and frankly your garbage vocation/education doesn’t prove anything other than the laughable way people who take your educational path have to justify their existence with tedious scrutiny of ways to be offended by ordinary things.

While you were “making it easy for me” I think you forgot to cite a source that spoke to homosexual activity in any way other than the feelings and opinions of a questionable source. See my earlier point about the need to justify existence by finding anything and everything offensive and making an argument for the same.

Believe me, I don’t need someone who has convinced themselves that they’re really really bright to educate me on how they find everything offensive.

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Re: Blaming "the others" is for sissies 

Post#82 » by babyjax13 » Sat Jul 25, 2020 2:10 am

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EAS Law wrote:It’s not... this is completely made up and an attempt to wield some sort of power on the basis of the fear of offending or coming across as homophobic. New levels reached every day on this board.

This is literally something that can be searched in Google and there is zero reference to homosexuality whatsoever. What’s interesting is that if you’re offended by being inappropriately labeled ___phobic or ___ist, that’s apparently a “too bad” situation, but if someone claims to belong to some protected class and claims to be offended by something considered harmless for all of human history, we change policies, guidelines, demand apologies, censor and ostracize.


I mean, as a gay guy I think I know what words people use in a derogatory way, and as someone who studies gender and race as a vocation, I'm probably more up-to-date on etymology than you are. It was one of the explosion of terms in the late victorian era that referred to 'effeminate men,' and the efforts to classify and 'fix' queer folx.

To make it easier for you, here is literally the first result when I google homophobia + sissy (ymmv, but this should be easy for someone with your ability to do research):

“The word sissy was popularized by Teddy Roosevelt as a way to describe young men who did not play tackle football — at a time when deaths on the football field took place with shocking regularity. It was a toxic slur then and it's a toxic slur now.

“Then it was the archetype of what it meant to be a gay man in popular culture: The sissy was someone to laugh at, to mock, and off screen, to brutalize without fear of reprisals. I can understand if fans are not aware of this history, but they should learn it, accept it, and listen to people telling them that it's absolutely out of bounds.”


https://www.outsports.com/2016/10/25/13390712/sissy-gay-slur-men-sports-explained

And, to be clear, the OP was very willing to listen and absolutely did not mean to say something derogatory (and I didn't treat it as such) so I can't help but feel you saying that this is some attempt to ostracize them is anything but politically motivated. Anyway, I hope you put those google skills to work :roll:

Your orientation doesn’t change the meaning of a word and frankly your garbage vocation/education doesn’t prove anything other than the laughable way people who take your educational path have to justify their existence with tedious scrutiny of ways to be offended by ordinary things.

While you were “making it easy for me” I think you forgot to cite a source that spoke to homosexual activity in any way other than the feelings and opinions of a questionable source. See my earlier point about the need to justify existence by finding anything and everything offensive and making an argument for the same.

Believe me, I don’t need someone who has convinced themselves that they’re really really bright to educate me on how they find everything offensive.


I like that you think I find *everything* offensive. I find the terms that people used to make fun of and bully/harass me and people like me offensive, and that is perfectly reasonable [esp. a term that has been used in this way for over 100 years]. Feel free to like, check out some journal articles if that's your definition of what counts as "a source," but I doubt that's what is really bothering you (https://muse.jhu.edu/article/169428).
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Re: Blaming "the others" is for sissies 

Post#83 » by Pennebaker » Sat Jul 25, 2020 2:19 am

dorkestra wrote:This is how I feel about people who consistently complain about refs


Every game thread always has that one ref guy that blames every loss on bad calls and/or league conspiracy.

It's so bizarre because it's so consistent. Every single game.

It's weird because those guys are otherwise reasonable commentors until it gets to game time or ref talk.
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Re: Blaming "the others" is for sissies 

Post#84 » by SecondTake » Sat Jul 25, 2020 1:53 pm

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Google translate?



Yeah there is some type of translator needed for these sensitive feelings you have about males.....


:lol: :lol: :lol: :D :lol: :lol: :lol:

Ok boomer


You're complaining about toxic masculinity, but then say something that is clearly toxic and dismissive of a whole generation... Shows how much social science class taught you.
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Re: Blaming "the others" is for sissies 

Post#85 » by NBA Sheady » Sat Jul 25, 2020 5:40 pm

SecondTake wrote:
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G35 wrote:

Yeah there is some type of translator needed for these sensitive feelings you have about males.....


:lol: :lol: :lol: :D :lol: :lol: :lol:

Ok boomer


You're complaining about toxic masculinity, but then say something that is clearly toxic and dismissive of a whole generation... Shows how much social science class taught you.


Ok boomer :lol:
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Re: Blaming "the others" is for *please use a better term to describe your displeasure* 

Post#86 » by KingDavid » Sat Jul 25, 2020 6:14 pm

Get back on topic.
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Re: Blaming "the others" is for sissies 

Post#87 » by NZB2323 » Sat Jul 25, 2020 7:57 pm

therealbig3 wrote:
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therealbig3 wrote:Is it outside the realm of possibility that these guys were so great that were capable of dragging their teams to a higher level of success than they reasonably warranted given the strength of the supporting cast, and that’s why they’re given a lot of praise for what they were able to accomplish? But they eventually ran into good enough teams that they couldn’t overachieve with, and the difference in supporting casts played out the way it was supposed to? Which is why they shouldn’t get overwhelming blame when their team does lose?

Recognizing the weakness in the supporting cast and giving props to the superstar for taking them further than they should have gone, while also acknowledging that the limitations of the supporting cast was going to lead them to lose to a legitimately better team no matter what they did is not a contradiction or a double standard. It’s called context.

Like, 2018 LeBron taking the Cavs to the Finals was nothing short of miraculous, don’t really care how much you want to disparage the East that year, that was a weak supporting cast for a team in the Finals. Losing to GS doesn’t diminish his accomplishment that year, because LeBron could have literally been Basketball God and he wasn’t going to lead that team over GS. So saying he “lost” and should get the same amount of blame for losing in the Finals as he gets credit for taking his team to the Finals misses the point.

We’ll leave the sexist/homophobic comments out of this.


Hahaha, beating the 2018 Pacers, Raptors, and Celtics wasn't anything close to a miracle. :lol: Him beating GS in the finals would have been miraculous.


Lol, case in point. His supporting cast that year was trash. Shouldn’t have beaten the Pacers, Raptors, or Celtics, but because of his greatness, they beat all 3. That’s the point here. He deserves nothing but praise for that playoff run.


He should get praise but he shouldn’t be labeled a miracle worker for beating those teams. None of those teams were contenders. The Pacers didn’t have Paul George, the Raptors were disappointing in the playoffs with Derozan again, and the Celtics were an injured team that overachieved.

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