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Lol... My bad man! It's not always good to be in a rush it seems.
And you're right! I should read what I post before I post and occasionally use the spoiler tab..... Apart from that, Did you come across anything of note or interest?
He's kind of interesting but the ringer using a Bender comp made me uneasy lol. I like 10 dudes better at this point.Frank Lee wrote:Lol... My bad man! It's not always good to be in a rush it seems.
there, fixed that for you
I see this guy Aleksej Pokusevski continually popping up around our spot... Im sort of beginning to like him. Someone please talk me down.
WeekapaugGroove wrote:He's kind of interesting but the ringer using a Bender comp made me uneasy lol. I like 10 dudes better at this point.Frank Lee wrote:Lol... My bad man! It's not always good to be in a rush it seems.
there, fixed that for you
I see this guy Aleksej Pokusevski continually popping up around our spot... Im sort of beginning to like him. Someone please talk me down.
https://nbadraft.theringer.com/
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Frank Lee wrote:Lol... My bad man! It's not always good to be in a rush it seems.
there, fixed that for you
I see this guy Aleksej Pokusevski continually popping up around our spot... Im sort of beginning to like him. Someone please talk me down.
For sure! It's definitely important to slow down on occasion and reflect, Though mistakes do still sometimes happen. Aside from that, You'll find comfort ( I hope) in that I'm more frequently using the spoiler tab recently, As I fight the continuing battle towards more brevity in my posts. 
ImNotMcDiSwear wrote:WeekapaugGroove wrote:He's kind of interesting but the ringer using a Bender comp made me uneasy lol. I like 10 dudes better at this point.Frank Lee wrote:
there, fixed that for you
I see this guy Aleksej Pokusevski continually popping up around our spot... Im sort of beginning to like him. Someone please talk me down.
https://nbadraft.theringer.com/
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Frank, weren't you, like, derisively against any non-PG options a day ago?
I'm big on Poku and would be proud of our FO for having the guts to take him. He's yooooung but I think he's in the conversation for being the most talented player in the draft. I've got a good buddy I always discuss the draft with, and he hates Euros. Hated 'em for over a decade. And HE's a Poku fan.
I refuse to talk you out of it. Maybe the player I'd be most excited to draft.
Aleksej Pokusevski
1 month ago
Update, I grew about 1.5 inches since..I'm only 18 y'all I'm still growing I know I need to put some weight on..chill
bwgood77 wrote:Toppin makes so much sense in GS...though I don't really want to see it. Their offense would just be more unstoppable.
BobbieL wrote:bwgood77 wrote:Toppin makes so much sense in GS...though I don't really want to see it. Their offense would just be more unstoppable.
Knowing Myers - they would get the top pick - have some team trade up for a player, still get Toppin and an asset for picking the guy that really fits their team.
WeekapaugGroove wrote:He's kind of interesting but the ringer using a Bender comp made me uneasy lol. I like 10 dudes better at this point.Frank Lee wrote:Lol... My bad man! It's not always good to be in a rush it seems.
there, fixed that for you
I see this guy Aleksej Pokusevski continually popping up around our spot... Im sort of beginning to like him. Someone please talk me down.
https://nbadraft.theringer.com/
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Is adding a potential Kirilenko at the 4 for this team worth the 1-2 year investment? 
Ghost of Kleine wrote:WeekapaugGroove wrote:He's kind of interesting but the ringer using a Bender comp made me uneasy lol. I like 10 dudes better at this point.Frank Lee wrote:
there, fixed that for you
I see this guy Aleksej Pokusevski continually popping up around our spot... Im sort of beginning to like him. Someone please talk me down.
https://nbadraft.theringer.com/
Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using RealGM mobile app
The ringer has some pretty good comps, But much like any other site, Also has their fair share of lazy comps. Hits and misses. I've said this before and may be in the minority, But to me, Poku reminds me a lot ofa taller, more lanky Andrei Kirilenko. They both have very similar attributes, and unique skillsets for their size ( ballhandling, guard skills, defensive versatility, perimeter skills, very fluid).
And i'm not at all worried about the Bender comps, As he actually seems fairly aggressive, And doesn't shy away from the physicality of the game, As he seems to enjoy banging in the post. Really, The only thing keeping him from being a top consideration for me is that he'll need some time to actually add weight/strength in order to more readily contribute at the next level. If we can afford a year or two wait on our investment, I can see him paying off huge dividends. The only question is............... Can we really afford to wait? Regardless of his immense potential?
bwgood77 wrote:Ghost of Kleine wrote:WeekapaugGroove wrote:He's kind of interesting but the ringer using a Bender comp made me uneasy lol. I like 10 dudes better at this point.
https://nbadraft.theringer.com/
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The ringer has some pretty good comps, But much like any other site, Also has their fair share of lazy comps. Hits and misses. I've said this before and may be in the minority, But to me, Poku reminds me a lot ofa taller, more lanky Andrei Kirilenko. They both have very similar attributes, and unique skillsets for their size ( ballhandling, guard skills, defensive versatility, perimeter skills, very fluid).
And i'm not at all worried about the Bender comps, As he actually seems fairly aggressive, And doesn't shy away from the physicality of the game, As he seems to enjoy banging in the post. Really, The only thing keeping him from being a top consideration for me is that he'll need some time to actually add weight/strength in order to more readily contribute at the next level. If we can afford a year or two wait on our investment, I can see him paying off huge dividends. The only question is............... Can we really afford to wait? Regardless of his immense potential?
People won't use AK47 as a comp because he was an all star and one of the better all around players in the NBA when he played...I mean the guy loaded the box scores. You can't just make comps like that...I mean maybe someone who is set to go top 3 in a stacked draft or something but not a guy like this. I'm not saying there is some sort of limit to his upside but you can't just comp everyone to a star.
ImNotMcDiSwear wrote:bwgood77 wrote:Ghost of Kleine wrote:
The ringer has some pretty good comps, But much like any other site, Also has their fair share of lazy comps. Hits and misses. I've said this before and may be in the minority, But to me, Poku reminds me a lot ofa taller, more lanky Andrei Kirilenko. They both have very similar attributes, and unique skillsets for their size ( ballhandling, guard skills, defensive versatility, perimeter skills, very fluid).
And i'm not at all worried about the Bender comps, As he actually seems fairly aggressive, And doesn't shy away from the physicality of the game, As he seems to enjoy banging in the post. Really, The only thing keeping him from being a top consideration for me is that he'll need some time to actually add weight/strength in order to more readily contribute at the next level. If we can afford a year or two wait on our investment, I can see him paying off huge dividends. The only question is............... Can we really afford to wait? Regardless of his immense potential?
People won't use AK47 as a comp because he was an all star and one of the better all around players in the NBA when he played...I mean the guy loaded the box scores. You can't just make comps like that...I mean maybe someone who is set to go top 3 in a stacked draft or something but not a guy like this. I'm not saying there is some sort of limit to his upside but you can't just comp everyone to a star.
TBF, I came up with the AK47 comp. I stick by it. Obviously, there's no perfect comp. It's just hard to come up with a real good one in this case. Lanky, high energy guy who, as you say, fills up stat sheets. None of the other too-skinny Euros I recall was a high-energy type. Usually they're projected as stretch big scoring specialists; occasionally, post players. Then there's Dragan, whose primary skill was blending in, being invisible. The closest contemporary comp to AK was Marion.
Not saying the kid will crack the L. Who knows? He might get Zarkoed. I just struggle to find a better comp.
bwgood77 wrote:Ghost of Kleine wrote:WeekapaugGroove wrote:He's kind of interesting but the ringer using a Bender comp made me uneasy lol. I like 10 dudes better at this point.
https://nbadraft.theringer.com/
Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using RealGM mobile app
The ringer has some pretty good comps, But much like any other site, Also has their fair share of lazy comps. Hits and misses. I've said this before and may be in the minority, But to me, Poku reminds me a lot ofa taller, more lanky Andrei Kirilenko. They both have very similar attributes, and unique skillsets for their size ( ballhandling, guard skills, defensive versatility, perimeter skills, very fluid).
And i'm not at all worried about the Bender comps, As he actually seems fairly aggressive, And doesn't shy away from the physicality of the game, As he seems to enjoy banging in the post. Really, The only thing keeping him from being a top consideration for me is that he'll need some time to actually add weight/strength in order to more readily contribute at the next level. If we can afford a year or two wait on our investment, I can see him paying off huge dividends. The only question is............... Can we really afford to wait? Regardless of his immense potential?
People won't use AK47 as a comp because he was an all star and one of the better all around players in the NBA when he played...I mean the guy loaded the box scores. You can't just make comps like that...I mean maybe someone who is set to go top 3 in a stacked draft or something but not a guy like this. I'm not saying there is some sort of limit to his upside but you can't just comp everyone to a star.
I mean obviously what made Kirilenko so special and effective was his immense versatility and fluidity for his size, He was very agile, could handle the ball like a guard, defend multiple positions, play inside or score from the perimeter, And use his length to block shots and cause deflections. When you compare stats/ percentages, etc. 
Ghost of Kleine wrote:bwgood77 wrote:Ghost of Kleine wrote:
The ringer has some pretty good comps, But much like any other site, Also has their fair share of lazy comps. Hits and misses. I've said this before and may be in the minority, But to me, Poku reminds me a lot ofa taller, more lanky Andrei Kirilenko. They both have very similar attributes, and unique skillsets for their size ( ballhandling, guard skills, defensive versatility, perimeter skills, very fluid).
And i'm not at all worried about the Bender comps, As he actually seems fairly aggressive, And doesn't shy away from the physicality of the game, As he seems to enjoy banging in the post. Really, The only thing keeping him from being a top consideration for me is that he'll need some time to actually add weight/strength in order to more readily contribute at the next level. If we can afford a year or two wait on our investment, I can see him paying off huge dividends. The only question is............... Can we really afford to wait? Regardless of his immense potential?
People won't use AK47 as a comp because he was an all star and one of the better all around players in the NBA when he played...I mean the guy loaded the box scores. You can't just make comps like that...I mean maybe someone who is set to go top 3 in a stacked draft or something but not a guy like this. I'm not saying there is some sort of limit to his upside but you can't just comp everyone to a star.
I can understand your position on the vast differences between a star level player and a rookie prospect that has yet to fullfill his potential, Making his outcome somewhat of a mystery early in their career. And yes, Kirilenko was a very good stat stuffer and also a very versatile 2 way player for his size. But if you look at his career averages:
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/k/kirilan01.html
He averaged-
11.8 points/ 5.5 rebounds/ 2.7 assists/ 1.4 steals/ 1.8 blocks, And 47%FG/ 31% from three/ 75% from the line.
So is saying his POTENTIAL really that far off man?
www.tankathon.com/players/aleksej-pokuveski
He averaged- ( Per 36)
16.7 points/ 12.2 rebounds/ 4.8 assists/ 2.8 blocks/ 2.0 steals, And on 40% FG/ 32% threes/ 78% free throws.
So IF he can add weight/strength and obviously experience within his year-two in the league, Is it really still so unreasonable to give him that projected ceiling? Especially with respect to their very similar comparable and utterly unique skill sets for their size? Please understand, I make these comps based upon these prospects similiarities in their skill sets, mentality, athleticism, strengths and weaknesses. And so from that, I make their ultimate ceiling comps. As I see it, Any of these players that I have made these comps for has the ability to reach those ultimate upsides ( ceilings) IF put in the right situation, enviroment. There draft range doesn't play as big of a factor in my determination because draft steals, and underrated, undiscovered players that end up contributing well beyond there original projections happen in every draft. And especially with respect to this draft, With the current lock down situation, Lack of tournaments,camps, team workouts, to showcase themselves, It's even easier to inaccurately rate players that should/could have otherwise gone higher. My point being that draft ranking isn't always a true and accurate indicator of a prospects long term potential contribution. But there's of course nothing wrong with varying opinions either.
bwgood77 wrote:Ghost of Kleine wrote:bwgood77 wrote:
People won't use AK47 as a comp because he was an all star and one of the better all around players in the NBA when he played...I mean the guy loaded the box scores. You can't just make comps like that...I mean maybe someone who is set to go top 3 in a stacked draft or something but not a guy like this. I'm not saying there is some sort of limit to his upside but you can't just comp everyone to a star.
I can understand your position on the vast differences between a star level player and a rookie prospect that has yet to fullfill his potential, Making his outcome somewhat of a mystery early in their career. And yes, Kirilenko was a very good stat stuffer and also a very versatile 2 way player for his size. But if you look at his career averages:
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/k/kirilan01.html
He averaged-
11.8 points/ 5.5 rebounds/ 2.7 assists/ 1.4 steals/ 1.8 blocks, And 47%FG/ 31% from three/ 75% from the line.
So is saying his POTENTIAL really that far off man?
www.tankathon.com/players/aleksej-pokuveski
He averaged- ( Per 36)
16.7 points/ 12.2 rebounds/ 4.8 assists/ 2.8 blocks/ 2.0 steals, And on 40% FG/ 32% threes/ 78% free throws.
So IF he can add weight/strength and obviously experience within his year-two in the league, Is it really still so unreasonable to give him that projected ceiling? Especially with respect to their very similar comparable and utterly unique skill sets for their size? Please understand, I make these comps based upon these prospects similiarities in their skill sets, mentality, athleticism, strengths and weaknesses. And so from that, I make their ultimate ceiling comps. As I see it, Any of these players that I have made these comps for has the ability to reach those ultimate upsides ( ceilings) IF put in the right situation, enviroment. There draft range doesn't play as big of a factor in my determination because draft steals, and underrated, undiscovered players that end up contributing well beyond there original projections happen in every draft. And especially with respect to this draft, With the current lock down situation, Lack of tournaments,camps, team workouts, to showcase themselves, It's even easier to inaccurately rate players that should/could have otherwise gone higher. My point being that draft ranking isn't always a true and accurate indicator of a prospects long term potential contribution. But there's of course nothing wrong with varying opinions either.
You can't compare prospect stats to NBA stats....I mean guys in HS averaged like 40/15/8 and stuff....competition is far different for these guys.
Now when I was talking about AK47, I was more thinking of his peak, and when he was an all NBA defender. Offensively I can potentially see a comparison.
I saw TheRinger had a Detlef Schrempf comparison. Now while Schrempf was a multi time all star and a very versatile big, he wasn't the type of impact defender Kirilenko was and was a better shooter and passer. It seems to me he might be a better comp if you feel the need to comp him to an all star unless you are thinking of this prospect more of a defensive stud guy than an offensive guy, but then again, I haven't watched a lot of him so maybe you guys are right and he is an AK47 type.
Blonde wrote:Alec Brown averaged 3 blocks and shot 42% from 3 in college. If he were in this class we’d be hearing about how he’s a Porzingis clone...
Now Pokusevski is a better prospect than that, but I don’t want to be the team that spends a lottery pick on him and needs to wait 3 years to figure out if he’s a rotation player or not. His ideal role would be at C but I don’t see the frame ever getting to the point where that’s realistic as a starter. He can probably hang with 4s defensively though and obviously he can shoot with a lot of versatility. Too much risk without the upside to warrant the gamble in our current position.
I’ve got my expectations set on us selecting a guard.
Standing over 7 foot with a 7-foot-3 wingspan, Pokusevski has unusual dimensions for a player who spends much of his time on the perimeter. He is a highly adept ball handler, passer and shooter, giving him significant potential to grow into as his lanky frame continues to fill out.Apr 24, 2020
Serbian forward Aleksej Pokusevski declares for NBA draftwww.espn.com › nba › story › serbian-forward-aleksej-.
Ghost of Kleine wrote:Again, I get where you're coming from with the difference in level of competition. But then with respect to Poku, We're not really talking about him playing in high school or really college either, As he plays in the Greek A2 league which is in the 2nd tier of the euro league. So hard to gauge the overall disparity in level of competition for that league in comparison to the NBA?