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Re: Constructing the Timberwolves rotation 

Post#501 » by minimus » Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:44 am

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Impact rate points are 15 for all 5 positions, it is just my "math" implementation of simple thing that there is only one ball on the floor. MIA SGs - Nunn and Herro are still very raw, but still can impact the game. MIA is more balanced team than MIN, they impact rating across positions are 5-5-1-2-2, while MIN 5-1-1-3-5...
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Re: Constructing the Timberwolves rotation 

Post#502 » by Klomp » Sun Jul 19, 2020 11:56 am

Something I'll be curious to monitor in the offseason.....how young will the roster stay?

We got to that point at the trade deadline where at just 24 years old, Karl-Anthony Towns and D'Angelo Russell are two of the older players on the roster. Only players older are James Johnson, Evan Turner (not with team), Jake Layman, Kelan Martin and Juancho Hernangomez, and the last two are only months older than Towns and Russell.

A lot of room for growth and development of the roster.
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Re: Constructing the Timberwolves rotation 

Post#503 » by Jedzz » Sun Jul 19, 2020 1:09 pm

Klomp wrote:Something I'll be curious to monitor in the offseason.....how young will the roster stay?

We got to that point at the trade deadline where at just 24 years old, Karl-Anthony Towns and D'Angelo Russell are two of the older players on the roster. Only players older are James Johnson, Evan Turner (not with team), Jake Layman, Kelan Martin and Juancho Hernangomez, and the last two are only months older than Towns and Russell.

A lot of room for growth and development of the roster.

This is partly why I want to see Johnson stay and why he's one of the players we saw picking up the team steam when needed. That's beyond the toughness and usable skills he adds. I believe it would be helpful if they could rework his deal instead of using it as a trade tool. Many vets of a team are natually going to play really confidently around much younger players and will help lead them when needed. I think it's fine that the team got younger and has started to average around the age of Kat. But it's dangerous for the team to go completely younger than Towns. Towns and Dlo are just now maybe in it long enough to start trying to lead things. Every team needs a mix of experience, youth and skills from each level. If it were not true every team would dump all vets and try to win with 24 and below and that's never been case. Instead when teams are ready to make playoff and finals pushes they shed the youngest, trade away top picks, etc, to make room for vets that will know what to do in the most important moments. So if not Johnson, then who would they bring in to keeop a viable mix? Likely someone less a fit than Johnson, but we'll have to wait and see.
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Re: Constructing the Timberwolves rotation 

Post#504 » by minimus » Sun Jul 19, 2020 1:46 pm

Klomp wrote:Something I'll be curious to monitor in the offseason.....how young will the roster stay?

We got to that point at the trade deadline where at just 24 years old, Karl-Anthony Towns and D'Angelo Russell are two of the older players on the roster. Only players older are James Johnson, Evan Turner (not with team), Jake Layman, Kelan Martin and Juancho Hernangomez, and the last two are only months older than Towns and Russell.

A lot of room for growth and development of the roster.


I hope we find a bigman who knows how to use physicality in defense and offense, how to set good screens, use elbows, understand positioning. Someone who can accelerate development of this team, like Bogut did in GSW. At that moment GSW had young Green, Thompson and Curry who was not a solid defensive unit. Bogut helped them to develop into top NBA defense.
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Re: Constructing the Timberwolves rotation 

Post#505 » by yawner » Thu Jul 23, 2020 9:41 am

Draft Wiseman with the top7 pick.
Trade the Nets´pick and James Johnson for Aaron Gordon.

DLo-Beasley-Gordon-Towns-Wiseman
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Wiseman is big and long. He should be able to protect the paint. All of them are fast and could be a fearsome transition-offense team.
Apparently, Wiseman can shoot 3s, so the 5-out system could be developed.
A very big and long team who should be able to put good screens and play pickandroll and pop all over the offensive half ot the court.
While big, they should be able to defend fast smallball teams.
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Re: Constructing the Timberwolves rotation 

Post#506 » by minimus » Thu Jul 23, 2020 11:52 am

yawner wrote:Draft Wiseman with the top7 pick.
Trade the Nets´pick and James Johnson for Aaron Gordon.

DLo-Beasley-Gordon-Towns-Wiseman
JMac-Okogie-Culver-Hernangómez-Reid
Nowell-2roundpick-Layman-Vanderbilt-Spellman

Wiseman is big and long. He should be able to protect the paint. All of them are fast and could be a fearsome transition-offense team.
Apparently, Wiseman can shoot 3s, so the 5-out system could be developed.
A very big and long team who should be able to put good screens and play pickandroll and pop all over the offensive half ot the court.
While big, they should be able to defend fast smallball teams.


Those of you who keep posting faketrades of KAT playing at PF (or Gordon at SF) deserve to be banned. ASAP.

P.S. And yes, seppuku is suitable.
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Re: Constructing the Timberwolves rotation 

Post#507 » by yawner » Thu Jul 23, 2020 12:40 pm

minimus wrote:
yawner wrote:Draft Wiseman with the top7 pick.
Trade the Nets´pick and James Johnson for Aaron Gordon.

DLo-Beasley-Gordon-Towns-Wiseman
JMac-Okogie-Culver-Hernangómez-Reid
Nowell-2roundpick-Layman-Vanderbilt-Spellman

Wiseman is big and long. He should be able to protect the paint. All of them are fast and could be a fearsome transition-offense team.
Apparently, Wiseman can shoot 3s, so the 5-out system could be developed.
A very big and long team who should be able to put good screens and play pickandroll and pop all over the offensive half ot the court.
While big, they should be able to defend fast smallball teams.


Those of you who keep posting faketrades of KAT playing at PF (or Gordon at SF) deserve to be banned. ASAP.

P.S. And yes, seppuku is suitable.


:lol:

Give us good arguments why. :wink:
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Re: Constructing the Timberwolves rotation 

Post#508 » by minimus » Thu Jul 23, 2020 1:02 pm

yawner wrote:
minimus wrote:
yawner wrote:Draft Wiseman with the top7 pick.
Trade the Nets´pick and James Johnson for Aaron Gordon.

DLo-Beasley-Gordon-Towns-Wiseman
JMac-Okogie-Culver-Hernangómez-Reid
Nowell-2roundpick-Layman-Vanderbilt-Spellman

Wiseman is big and long. He should be able to protect the paint. All of them are fast and could be a fearsome transition-offense team.
Apparently, Wiseman can shoot 3s, so the 5-out system could be developed.
A very big and long team who should be able to put good screens and play pickandroll and pop all over the offensive half ot the court.
While big, they should be able to defend fast smallball teams.


Those of you who keep posting faketrades of KAT playing at PF (or Gordon at SF) deserve to be banned. ASAP.

P.S. And yes, seppuku is suitable.


:lol:

Give us good arguments why. :wink:


Because it means completely opposite direction from what Rosas has been building here. KAT is unstoppable as small-ball C, and it is well documented. Gordon is a bad fit at SF, but can be above average starter at PF.
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Re: Constructing the Timberwolves rotation 

Post#509 » by Dewey » Thu Jul 23, 2020 2:19 pm

minimus wrote:
yawner wrote:
minimus wrote:
Those of you who keep posting faketrades of KAT playing at PF (or Gordon at SF) deserve to be banned. ASAP.

P.S. And yes, seppuku is suitable.


:lol:

Give us good arguments why. :wink:


Because it means completely opposite direction from what Rosas has been building here. KAT is unstoppable as small-ball C, and it is well documented. Gordon is a bad fit at SF, but can be above average starter at PF.

I kinda like Wiseman and think he's worth a gamble ... use him off the bench early on and see how he develops. Gordon at PF is where ya want him. KAT PF/C as needed.
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Re: Constructing the Timberwolves rotation 

Post#510 » by shrink » Fri Jul 24, 2020 3:12 pm

yawner wrote:
minimus wrote:
yawner wrote:Draft Wiseman with the top7 pick.
Trade the Nets´pick and James Johnson for Aaron Gordon.

DLo-Beasley-Gordon-Towns-Wiseman
JMac-Okogie-Culver-Hernangómez-Reid
Nowell-2roundpick-Layman-Vanderbilt-Spellman

Wiseman is big and long. He should be able to protect the paint. All of them are fast and could be a fearsome transition-offense team.
Apparently, Wiseman can shoot 3s, so the 5-out system could be developed.
A very big and long team who should be able to put good screens and play pickandroll and pop all over the offensive half ot the court.
While big, they should be able to defend fast smallball teams.


Those of you who keep posting faketrades of KAT playing at PF (or Gordon at SF) deserve to be banned. ASAP.

P.S. And yes, seppuku is suitable.


:lol:

Give us good arguments why. :wink:

1. Offensively, Towns is an opposing coaches nightmare. They can’t guard him with their own big center, he’ll drive past them or shoot from outside, and if they put a PF on him, Towns has too many moves in the post (and surprising strength). In some situations, a big center simply can’t be on the court with no one he can defend. My favorite example is a couple back to back games in Utah last year. Gobert is a fantastic defensive player, and UTA can’t just bench him against MIN. In the first game, Gobert stayed underneath the hoop, and Towns bombed him from outside, in a game the Wolves won by double digits. The next game, Snyder had Gobert play KAT man-to-man, which I must admit he did credibly, and the Jazz won. What strikes me is that Utah has an All Star center who is historically great at altering shots down low — and the team still had to adjust. Big slow center may simply get played off, as long as we don’t bail them out adding our own big slow center or PF.

2. Defensively, Towns has been bad as a center, but that does not mean he wouldn’t be worse at PF. Towns has the tools to be a defensive center, and surprisingly good one-on-one defensive FG%. His problem is decision-making, and that issue could multiply if he was forced to make decisions on the perimeter. As a center, particularly in a low-decision, dropback role, he has the potential to be okay. He just needs to stop being so aggressive, and getting fooled by NBA vets.

3. And I see one last area that is important — Towns sees himself as a center. He actively campaigned for the All Star Game to not remove the center position, and later, when he won the Skills competition, he told everyone he was elated to do it as a center, to represent centers. We make a big deal about keeping Towns happy in other areas, like signing Russell and, to a lesser degree, the latest preoccupation with Booker. If we told Towns, “Sorry, we know you’re the Franchise, but we’re going to move you out of your position for some new guy...” I guarantee he would not be happy with the organization.
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Re: Constructing the Timberwolves rotation 

Post#511 » by minimus » Fri Jul 24, 2020 7:12 pm

shrink wrote:2. Defensively, Towns has been bad as a center, but that does not mean he wouldn’t be worse at PF. Towns has the tools to be a defensive center, and surprisingly good one-on-one defensive FG%. His problem is decision-making, and that issue could multiply if he was forced to make decisions on the perimeter. As a center, particularly in a low-decision, dropback role, he has the potential to be okay. He just needs to stop being so aggressive, and getting fooled by NBA vets.


Yea, it also does not mean that KAT would be better at PF, while we would have another problem to find defensive minded С who is highly compatible with KAT in offense, i.e. must be very mobile and can hit consistently open 3s. It sounds funny but RoCo is exactly this type of modern stretch 5 who "seems" to be a perfect compliment to KAT. RoCo cant slash, cant dribble, cant pass, but he can hit open 3s. In HOU he plays as bigman.

While I dont see such players in FA market, I would try to draft someone like Tyler Bey, Paul Reed or Xavier Tillman and develop them into this type of bigman. Back in 2017, I liked Justin Patton as our draft prospect, it was sad to see him dealing with those injuries. Nowadays, I would be okay with smaller С prospects, who have similar physical tools as Dray Green, PJ Tucker. Or just go for Isaac, Giannis type of PF who can anchor defense.
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Re: Constructing the Timberwolves rotation 

Post#512 » by Klomp » Sat Jul 25, 2020 8:01 am

What do you guys think about targeting Joe Harris in free agency? Had a career year a season ago next to D'Angelo Russell and under the tutelage of Pablo Prigioni, but had a "down" year this year at just 41.2% from 3-point range. Might be the type of vet who could consider a place like Minnesota for his last decent payday.
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Re: Constructing the Timberwolves rotation 

Post#513 » by KGdaBom » Sun Jul 26, 2020 10:27 pm

Klomp wrote:What do you guys think about targeting Joe Harris in free agency? Had a career year a season ago next to D'Angelo Russell and under the tutelage of Pablo Prigioni, but had a "down" year this year at just 41.2% from 3-point range. Might be the type of vet who could consider a place like Minnesota for his last decent payday.

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Post#514 » by Neeva » Sun Jul 26, 2020 11:13 pm

Klomp wrote:What do you guys think about targeting Joe Harris in free agency? Had a career year a season ago next to D'Angelo Russell and under the tutelage of Pablo Prigioni, but had a "down" year this year at just 41.2% from 3-point range. Might be the type of vet who could consider a place like Minnesota for his last decent payday.



Who’s minutes will he take Beasley’s, culvers? Whoever the wolves draft between Edwards, hayes or ball? I would not mind him but rather target a power forward in free agency.
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Re: Constructing the Timberwolves rotation 

Post#515 » by Jedzz » Sun Jul 26, 2020 11:18 pm

Klomp wrote:What do you guys think about targeting Joe Harris in free agency? Had a career year a season ago next to D'Angelo Russell and under the tutelage of Pablo Prigioni, but had a "down" year this year at just 41.2% from 3-point range. Might be the type of vet who could consider a place like Minnesota for his last decent payday.


Down year at 41.2% :lol: I think that's pretty much what you can expect from him and sounds good to me. Of course he did have 2018 at 47% avg 5 attempts. Can't take that away from him. Could we make room for him by gutting out some of the small forwards and have him attempting 7 shots a game? I'd hate to see him getting less shots and less minutes here behind Okogie/Culver. I guess if you can't afford Beasley...but he's 6-6 220 and whitish looking, the Wolves might make him a backup Center :wink:, maybe our small ball pf wing.

Even with that accuracy, when getting 30 minutes he hasn't been approaching Beasleys production we saw here. Wouldn't mind a Dlo, Beasley, Harris, Juancho, Towns scoring lineup when they need to make it rain.
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Re: Constructing the Timberwolves rotation 

Post#516 » by KGdaBom » Sun Jul 26, 2020 11:37 pm

Neeva wrote:
Klomp wrote:What do you guys think about targeting Joe Harris in free agency? Had a career year a season ago next to D'Angelo Russell and under the tutelage of Pablo Prigioni, but had a "down" year this year at just 41.2% from 3-point range. Might be the type of vet who could consider a place like Minnesota for his last decent payday.



Who’s minutes will he take Beasley’s, culvers? Whoever the wolves draft between Edwards, hayes or ball? I would not mind him but rather target a power forward in free agency.

I'd rather be drafting a PF.
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Post#517 » by Neeva » Sun Jul 26, 2020 11:43 pm

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Klomp wrote:What do you guys think about targeting Joe Harris in free agency? Had a career year a season ago next to D'Angelo Russell and under the tutelage of Pablo Prigioni, but had a "down" year this year at just 41.2% from 3-point range. Might be the type of vet who could consider a place like Minnesota for his last decent payday.



Who’s minutes will he take Beasley’s, culvers? Whoever the wolves draft between Edwards, hayes or ball? I would not mind him but rather target a power forward in free agency.

I'd rather be drafting a PF.


There is no PF worth drafting with our (hopefully) top 3 pick.
Unless you mean with the Nets pick. The only hope there is Toppin falling because of his age like Brandon Clarke last year.
Not sure Pat Williams or Precious Achiuwa will be anything special.
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Re: Constructing the Timberwolves rotation 

Post#518 » by KGdaBom » Sun Jul 26, 2020 11:45 pm

Neeva wrote:
KGdaBom wrote:
Neeva wrote:

Who’s minutes will he take Beasley’s, culvers? Whoever the wolves draft between Edwards, hayes or ball? I would not mind him but rather target a power forward in free agency.

I'd rather be drafting a PF.


There is no PF worth drafting with our (hopefully) top 3 pick.
Unless you mean at 16?? Only hope there is Toppin faling because of his age like Brandon Clarke last year.
Not sure Pat Williams or Precious Achiuwa will be anything special.

Okongwu is very worthy of a top 3 pick and IMO would be a much better fit for our team than Hayes or Ball. Edwards or Okongwu would be a very interesting choice to make.
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Post#519 » by Mamba4Goat » Mon Jul 27, 2020 12:56 am

Deni also would likely be a PF for Minnesota.

If LaMelo is off the board my wishlist is something like Deni/Okongwu and then Vassell. If it’s closer to 7 I’m in the minority of being okay with a Wiseman pick.
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Post#520 » by Neeva » Mon Jul 27, 2020 1:04 am

I Have cooled on Deni and Okongwu a lot. I see them as solid role players in a few years but not stars. Wolves need a star, to either keep or use in a trade for an established star (booker). Right now Edwards and ball are 1 and 2 for me with Hayes third.

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