2020 Offseason Speculation, free agency, summer trades (keep draft prospect talk in draft thread)

[Fo-Real]

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RED BEARD is coming, hide bitches!!!

[Ghost of Kleine]

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/29544380/nba-owners-current-financial-turmoil-portends-future-payroll-problems

They discuss how financial issues will affect many team owners, Leading to a high likelihood of many teams not only selling off first round draft picks for cap relief, But also that there'll be a number of teams looking to move contracts and assets to teams with cap space! Any thoughts on how this could play to our favor with certain cash strapped teams and their players potentially becoming available to us in exchange for cap relief? Indiana ironically was one of the teams mentioned too!

Could that be some modicum of Karma for their fans being so smug with Phoenix fans regarding the Warren trade? Also mentioned specifically are the Houston Rockets and the Oklahoma city thunder. And of course ( outside of the reports) there are still also teams that are up against the cap line as tax payers in Brooklyn, Philadelphia, and of course Boston. So are there thoughts on potential asset targets from these teams in exchange for some cap relief? Any specific players we'd prefer to target as potential upgrades to our current roster?

[Frank Lee]

you make the assumption that we are not one of 'those' teams ????

[WeekapaugGroove]

you make the assumption that we are not one of 'those' teams ????

It's hard to tell how his investment company is doing because it's a private company. I'd guess he's doing better than some mentioned in that article who's businesses are directly impacted by covid. One thing the suns have going for them is they don't have a big payroll commitment for next season. Some of these teams that are already in the lux tax will be hurting.

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[Ghost of Kleine]

you make the assumption that we are not one of 'those' teams ????

Perhaps, However, IF the situation is better suited for us to benefit more from renouncing some of our players ( cap holds) with specific plans for upgrades, then the overall premise would obviously be centered around us being able to create somewhere in the area of 18-20 million dollars IF we so choose, And target those specific players which we may covet. Only Jones and Bowers know if we'll be better served by renouncing our cap holds an operating as a team with that much available cap space to use as leverage in acquiring potential assets. As It's their plans and direction we'll speculate on until it is shared. So with respect to that, Assumptions can be made as to both possibilities honestly man. All in all, I'd imagine that they'd of course be looking at all available avenues for improvement. And will hopefully choose the most beneficial course of action of the choices available to them.

[Saberestar]

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[bwgood77]

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/29544380/nba-owners-current-financial-turmoil-portends-future-payroll-problems

They discuss how financial issues will affect many team owners, Leading to a high likelihood of many teams not only selling off first round draft picks for cap relief, But also that there'll be a number of teams looking to move contracts and assets to teams with cap space! Any thoughts on how this could play to our favor with certain cash strapped teams and their players potentially becoming available to us in exchange for cap relief? Indiana ironically was one of the teams mentioned too!

Could that be some modicum of Karma for their fans being so smug with Phoenix fans regarding the Warren trade? Also mentioned specifically are the Houston Rockets and the Oklahoma city thunder. And of course ( outside of the reports) there are still also teams that are up against the cap line as tax payers in Brooklyn, Philadelphia, and of course Boston. So are there thoughts on potential asset targets from these teams in exchange for some cap relief? Any specific players we'd prefer to target as potential upgrades to our current roster?

No, but I feel quite confident you will have multiple ideas.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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you make the assumption that we are not one of 'those' teams ????

It's hard to tell how his investment company is doing because it's a private company. I'd guess he's doing better than some mentioned in that article who's businesses are directly impacted by covid. One thing the suns have going for them is they don't have a big payroll commitment for next season. Some of these teams that are already in the lux tax will be hurting.

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And those ( tax paying teams) would be perfect examples as teams we should enter into discussions with IF they could have players, assets that could benefit us in terms of depth/ fit. As long as those targeted players/ assets don't impact us to a large degree, Or contractually long term. We need to be considering targeting these specific teams, IF we identify those beneficial players and assets, Again using our ability to create cap space as leverage against them having to otherwise be a tax paying team.

I like Brooklyn/ Boston/ Indiana ( mentioned in the article) / Houston/ Oklahoma city *** Philly
as being teams we should look to consider engaging with.


Brooklyn (** If Vassell/ Hayes/ Haliburton are already off the board)
Perhaps the 10th pick for Spencer Dinwiddie / Nik Claxton/ 20/ 55th pick?
20- Draft Grant Riller or Tyrell Terry.
55- Draft Trevelin Queen ( Josh Richardson 2.0). Claxton can add depth at the backup 4/5. And is pretty good defensively too. Check out his per 40 stats to get an idea of his potential!
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/nicolas-claxton-1.html

Brooklyn would love to get off of Leverts contract if possible. But very few teams would really want his contract going forward. So perhaps prince instead in a 3 way trade:

Phoenix/ Brooklyn/ Detroit
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y5rdx42t
** Phoenix also gets the 20th pick from the nets in the trade for taking back 12 million in salary from Detroit to make the deal work. Phoenix does this trade to get Mccrae, * Nik Claxton, and the 20th pick. They take Vassell at 10, And then Jalen Smith or Paul Reed at 20 to be their backup 4/5. They let Henson expire, and resign McCrae on the Biannual exception. Finally, They buy a late 2nd for Sam Merrill. To add elite shooting! ( *** With Henson expiring, They're only committed for Claxtons' 898,000. Now they can resign Saric and Baynes, decline Kaminskys' team option, let Diallo/ Okobo/ Payne walk. And look to add Augustine in free agency.

Boston
*** Keep the 10, But then maybe take back Vincent Poirer and Grant Williams( expiring) contracts for the 26th pick?
10- Draft Vassell or otherwise Lewis or Riller or Tyrell Terry.
26- Draft Jalen Smith or Tyler Bey or Paul Reed?

Indiana *( possibly with the impending max extension for Oladipo).
Maybe we take back McDermott/ McConnell/ Goga Bidatze and get the 50th pick back as well?

Houston
Maybe we take PJ Tucker and Ben McLemore off their hands for 10 million in instant cap relief ?

Oklahoma City
Maybe we trade the 10 for Dennis Schroder/ 25th pick? Or we just take back Furguson / Lugen Dortz for the 25?

*** Philly
Maybe we trade the 10th pick for Josh Richardson/ Mike Scott/ 22/ 34th pick.

Or we simply keep the 10, And take back Mike Scott and Matisse Thybulle for the 22nd and 36th picks?


I would mention Golden state, But apparently they have investment options to create additional revenue.

[Ghost of Kleine]

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/29544380/nba-owners-current-financial-turmoil-portends-future-payroll-problems

They discuss how financial issues will affect many team owners, Leading to a high likelihood of many teams not only selling off first round draft picks for cap relief, But also that there'll be a number of teams looking to move contracts and assets to teams with cap space! Any thoughts on how this could play to our favor with certain cash strapped teams and their players potentially becoming available to us in exchange for cap relief? Indiana ironically was one of the teams mentioned too!

Could that be some modicum of Karma for their fans being so smug with Phoenix fans regarding the Warren trade? Also mentioned specifically are the Houston Rockets and the Oklahoma city thunder. And of course ( outside of the reports) there are still also teams that are up against the cap line as tax payers in Brooklyn, Philadelphia, and of course Boston. So are there thoughts on potential asset targets from these teams in exchange for some cap relief? Any specific players we'd prefer to target as potential upgrades to our current roster?

No, but I feel quite confident you will have multiple ideas.

Definitely very good guess! As with me, it's pretty much a sure thing huh?...lol

[jredsaz]

you make the assumption that we are not one of 'those' teams ????

Think Sarver is forced to spend up to the cap. With the public money he recently received for the arena renovation the public blowback would be bad. But this might make operating over the cap less likely. Would probably cost him more money to do so.

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[Frank Lee]

I don’t get the apprehension about giving Baynes a 2-3 yr deal. He’ll be effective in a limited+ back up role for the next three yrs... for some team.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Just a thought on how really close both Justin Holiday and Josh Richardson are statistically.
https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&player_id1_hint=Josh+Richardson&player_id1_select=Josh+Richardson&player_id1=richajo01&idx=bbr__players&p1yrfrom=2020&p1yrto=2020&player_id2_hint=Justin+Holiday&player_id2_select=Justin+Holiday&player_id2=holidju01&idx=bbr__players&p2yrfrom=2020&p2yrto=2020

And Richardson is making 10 million, Whilst Holiday could likely be had for around 5-7 million per. And is an underrated defender and ISO scorer too.

[BobbieL]

I don’t get the apprehension about giving Baynes a 2-3 yr deal. He’ll be effective in a limited+ back up role for the next three yrs... for some team.

Summer of 2021 stands to be, on paper - a tremendous free agent class. Why would you limit that opportunity to be a player for that class for Aron Baynes. One year at a time is fine by me.

[Saberestar]

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[NapoleonII]

Way too early to start Oubre trade smoke.

Having guys that are 6'7-6'8-6'9 that can shoot and put the ball on the floor is a freaking premium. Bridges trajectory is our starter cuz of his toolbox and him maybe putting it all together. But CamJo today looked like a friggin 6'9 Klay Thompson out there. With Mikal's versatility, you can play both of them. Why not throw Oubre for 25-30 mins as a 6th man?

Saric is the man out, not Oubre.

[Frank Lee]

I don’t get the apprehension about giving Baynes a 2-3 yr deal. He’ll be effective in a limited+ back up role for the next three yrs... for some team.

Summer of 2021 stands to be, on paper - a tremendous free agent class. Why would you limit that opportunity to be a player for that class for Aron Baynes. One year at a time is fine by me.

Ummm

It’s called winning. Don’t underestimate the importance of that when enticing FAs... it’s not all about cap space. It’s easier to create the space than the ‘W’s

[AtheJ415]

We need to lean into not playing either / or with Oubre. We need the versatility. Mikal can play the 3/4 and if he keeps his shooting and driving up, probably some 2. Oubre is also versatile. Trade Oubre if you get a better player but otherwise no need to. The only reason to do so would be to upgrade at the 4 (so basically Aaron Gordon, and even then it's kind of a toss up as to who is going to be better for us going forward).

[AtheJ415]

Also, I think the Suns would do wonders if they come out of the draft with Vassell or Avidija and signed Van Vleet.

PG: Van Vleet / Rubio / Booker
SG: Booker / Vassell / Van Vleet
SF: Mikal / Cam / Vassell
PF: Oubre / Cam / Saric (maybe, depending on cost of Van Vleet)
C: Ayton / Filler (Doubt we'd be able to keep Baynes in this scenario but if we could then awesome)

[Medall21]

Keep our core, jump a couple of spots to pick Devin Vassell and add Facundo Campazzo.

[NapoleonII]

Also who's to say Mikal or Oubre can't play the back-up 2 so Oubre/Mikal/CamJo are co-existing?

I wouldn't hate a bench line-up of this, with Rubio playing with the bench to stagger him with Booker:

Rubio or (Payne or Jerome)
Mikal
Oubre
CamJohnson
Frank or Baynes (if you need 3's or rebounding)


Oubre starts but always sits in the 1st so he can be ready for the bench mob w/ Rubio or Jerome.

With the bulk of the "starter minutes" in the 1st and 3rd looking like this:

Carter
Booker
Mikal (quickly subbed in for Oubre)
Saric
Ayton