Deeeez Knicks wrote:Richard4444 wrote:Deeeez Knicks wrote:
It would make us better next year and maybe we compete for a playoff spot (maybe not), but where do we go from there? FVV, Bog and Harkless will probably cost a good chunk of change...then we have to extend Mitch, then by the time those contracts are up we will have to extend RJ/frp this year. Seems like it locks us into a mediocre spot and not much upside
Think I would rather save our money and just be bad again next year.
If we sign the correct players, we can even maximize the value of his owed salary and can trade them for stars.
There are a various mid value contracts with high potential players that worked great like Lavine, Caris, Sabonis, Turner, Spencer, Buddy.
The problem is we cant correctly evaluate the players and we get too many negative deals in the last years with Noah, Melo, Tim, Lee and Randle signings. Its partially because the only players who accept our offers were rejected by the others teams. This year the competition is much weaker.
I think Fred and Bogdan can be positive contracts depending on the price. I dont see many better options in 2021 FA class excepting piper dreams like Giannis, AD, Leonard.
Mercenaries usually are not proven or great potential players. Because of their lack of proven skills, they cant get long term deals.
If we dont try to build a team with good players, we will always be a laughing stock and we cant bring great FAs. Its a vicious circle. We dont get FAs because we lack a respectful team. We dont try to build a respectful team to try to get FAs with cap space.
True, it all depends on the contract. If we can get players on good deals they can be positive assets. On the other end, if we overpay they might become negative assets. I do like FVV and Bogdan. They would be great fits. But I think their teams want to keep them too. I am not expecting them to come here cheap, and it's hard to see them coming here unless we overpay. I dont see them being worth big money at this point either for the Knicks...They are more complimentary type players. Without stars I dont think they have the same value.
Its the same thing we see all the time...THJ looks great playing next to Donic...but trash on the Knicks when he is the #1 or #2 option. FVV looks great playing next to Lowry, Siakam, etc. Put him on the Knicks and he probably wont look as good. If we are playing him to be the #1 ball handler/Faciliator and a main scorer, he is probably going to disappoint. Maybe not as much as THJ...and he can still be productive, but just maybe not as much as we are paying.
We need to build from the top down and do everything we can to find to find star type players. By signing FVV and Bogdan, it hurts our draft lottery odds and takes us out of free agency which would be the 2 main avenues to find stars.
For the Knicks, I would continue trying to build thru the draft, use our cap to get assets/young players with potential, and look to sign value contracts. We really need to strike gold in the draft. I do agree with that part about getting good contracts. We probably need to look for more under the radar type players...Like I would love to resign Dotson for cheap. I would not expect him to be close to FVV/Bogdan, but in a consistent role he might be pretty productive and have some value in a cheap contract. And you never know. Its low risk. Try to find guys that could develop into a FVV or Bogdan. I know thats not easy either. But just keep trying to take low risk moves, or draft picks and eventually some will pan out. We really just need to develop some of our own players for once, rather then overpay for others. That takes some time though. It's hard to see us digging out of this hole until we do that
Do you think paying like 20M to Fred and 16M do Bogdan would be overpaying?
We have some alternatives:
1) Tanking, invest on picks and get expiring salary dumps with cap space.
Pros: a) cap flexibility, b) higher probability of finding real talent players though the draft. c) accumulation of assets to use in future trades or to find real talent.
Cons: a) very hard to build a system with rookies and unwanted players (rule in salary dump moves that can give us players that dont fit in the coach system or that causes a logjam in some position),
b) small odds to land a star in Free Agency,
c) risk to harm the progression of our rookies with an terrible team, no system, no spacing, no go to players.
2) Tanking, invest in picks and mercenaries,
Pros: a) Cap flexibility, b) higher probability of finding real talent players though the draft; c) possibility of the mercenaries helping the team or being traded for assets.
Cons: a) very hard to build a system with unproven players that could not get long term contracts, the coach staff doesnt know who will continue in the team next season; possibility of a forced rebuilding for the following season.
b) tendency of the mercenaries to only get stats, to try to be the men and not to play collectively because they need to get their next contract.
c) risk to harm the evolution of our rookies with an terrible team
d) small odds to land a star, with an awful team.
e) high number of mercenaries get rookies out of the rotation.
3) Tanking, invest in picks and overpaid vets for a season;
Pros: a) cap flexibility, b) higher probability of finding real talent players though the draft. c) vet presence help to play collectively and build a team. d) good for the rookies development
Cons: a) system could collapse after the vets leaving (remember 2013), b) vets are no long term help and we cant expected them to be traded for assets; c) small odds to attract stars in FA after vets leaving; d) there is a opportunistic cost on overpay vets for a season (no salary dump moves, no chance to find long term players).
4) Trade all for stars now
Pros: a) more fun games; b) higher chance to attract stars in FA;
Cons: a) high risky of building a treadmill team with no cap space or assets to improve on the following years; b) attract FA stars in no guaranteed. c) high risky of getting win now washed stars to help in a desperate move; d) high risky the star doesnt re-sign here or demand more money he worth to do it;
5) Try to building a team with reasonable FA signings for longer contracts
Pros: a) higher chance to build a team faster; b) good to young players to gain help; c) possible use of reasonable contracts as asset in a trade for a real star; d) high chance to attract FA stars with a good team in place.
Cons: a) less cap flexibility; b) risk to get dead cap space with negative contracts;