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dean456 wrote:To be honest Olynyk and Leonard aren't doing any better than Crowder was at keeping their bigs out of the paint. At least Crowder fights for position down low. Way too often Leonard waits until the ball hits the rims to start putting a body on the opposing teams bigs. They easily get prime position down low almost every possession.
Wiltside wrote:If Spo starts doing nonsensical chit like playing Crowder at the 5, I'm gonna smash my TV.
We have perfectly viable options...Bam, Meyers, KO...chit, even Silva in small spurts when he has 'it' (or yank him after a couple minutes if it's clear he's gone full JoEL mode). Absolutely no reason to do things like DJJ or Jae at the 5. None.
Gonna be interesting to see who is in and out of form during this whole thing. Can't rely on the 'tried and true' rotations, Spo is gonna have to get creative...and being creative on the fly has never been his strong suit (OK I'll pay playing Bosh at the 5).
Would probably prefer to run with:
Butler / Dragic
Herro / Nunn
Robinson / Crowder / Igoudala
Adebayo / Jones Jr
Leonard / Olynyk
Actually, looking at that, someone is going to be unhappy. We can't go 11 deep and expect to have continuity. Spo has to be ruthless enough to bench guys if they don't have it that night. Mainly Herro or Nunn as they're more likely to be 'hot and cold' than the others.
BenoUdrihFTL wrote:Wiltside wrote:If Spo starts doing nonsensical chit like playing Crowder at the 5, I'm gonna smash my TV.
We have perfectly viable options...Bam, Meyers, KO...chit, even Silva in small spurts when he has 'it' (or yank him after a couple minutes if it's clear he's gone full JoEL mode). Absolutely no reason to do things like DJJ or Jae at the 5. None.
Gonna be interesting to see who is in and out of form during this whole thing. Can't rely on the 'tried and true' rotations, Spo is gonna have to get creative...and being creative on the fly has never been his strong suit (OK I'll pay playing Bosh at the 5).
Would probably prefer to run with:
Butler / Dragic
Herro / Nunn
Robinson / Crowder / Igoudala
Adebayo / Jones Jr
Leonard / Olynyk
Actually, looking at that, someone is going to be unhappy. We can't go 11 deep and expect to have continuity. Spo has to be ruthless enough to bench guys if they don't have it that night. Mainly Herro or Nunn as they're more likely to be 'hot and cold' than the others.
Our center rotation absolutely sucks and is clearly the weakest link of this team by far
#Gobert2021
HeatFanLifer wrote:MadD23 wrote:I am not a fan of Spo's coaching during games. But at this point it's a total exaggeration to be criticizing a coach during scrimmages that are design to experiment and try different things. The real games begin on Saturday.
It was the final game of the preseason before
a short 8 game regular season. The time for experimenting is over. Time to get things locked in.
DayofMourning wrote:BenoUdrihFTL wrote:Wiltside wrote:If Spo starts doing nonsensical chit like playing Crowder at the 5, I'm gonna smash my TV.
We have perfectly viable options...Bam, Meyers, KO...chit, even Silva in small spurts when he has 'it' (or yank him after a couple minutes if it's clear he's gone full JoEL mode). Absolutely no reason to do things like DJJ or Jae at the 5. None.
Gonna be interesting to see who is in and out of form during this whole thing. Can't rely on the 'tried and true' rotations, Spo is gonna have to get creative...and being creative on the fly has never been his strong suit (OK I'll pay playing Bosh at the 5).
Would probably prefer to run with:
Butler / Dragic
Herro / Nunn
Robinson / Crowder / Igoudala
Adebayo / Jones Jr
Leonard / Olynyk
Actually, looking at that, someone is going to be unhappy. We can't go 11 deep and expect to have continuity. Spo has to be ruthless enough to bench guys if they don't have it that night. Mainly Herro or Nunn as they're more likely to be 'hot and cold' than the others.
Our center rotation absolutely sucks and is clearly the weakest link of this team by far
#Gobert2021
I didn't watch the game, and based on the comments, I'm glad I didn't.
We really need someone to anchor down low for us. A threat to really alter some shots, box out, and rebound. We are really a good team despite the gaping hole at center. If we could fix that, then we'd be so much better.
What are our options, THIS offseason?
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/
From looking at that list, I think the following players make sense:
Anthony Davis (obviously)
Serge Ibaka
Derrick Favors
Mason Plumlee
Alex Len
Dwight Howard
Tyson Chandler
Nerlens Noel
We've got plenty of space for a big one year deal, if we can't lure Davis, and want to theoretically "front load" a potential longer contract moving forward.
greg4012 wrote:The answer to your question (aside from the ideal scenario/pipe dream of Anthony Davis) is Christian Wood. He's inconsistent on the defensive side, but has rim protection chops and I'm confident we would do more to make him a smart defender. Plus he's a legit high upside offensive complement to Bam
DayofMourning wrote:
I've been intrigued by Wood in the past. He seems to be able to produce at a pretty high level. However, being on five teams in five years raises legitimate concerns. I'm not sure what he's done, or hasn't done to bounce around so much. His per 36 are routinely good.
What is he going to get paid this coming season? What's your estimate?
DayofMourning wrote:Fifteen million per is not going to happen with us. Once again, we could offer a one year above market contract, and then offer a multi year for much less, but that's increasingly difficult to do and avoid potential tampering issues. I believe it was the Wolves and Joe Smith who set the precedent for that type of thing, and the punishment for trying it...
Riley will talk to Davis, there are some Kentucky ties, and we have reportedly been interested (who wouldn't be?) in the past when he was being made available.
If that doesn't get done, then maybe a big one year contract to a guy like Ibaka fills a need.
Much less sexy is a guy like Tyson Chandler. He'd fit the bill though.
Another won't happen, but would be interesting scenario is Nerlens. Fits the defensive anchor requirement well, but hasn't gotten paid yet (his agent's fault) and will want some money in the bank. More than we can afford.
Lastly, is the prospect of a draft pick coming in and filling that role. He wouldn't contribute much next year though, if at all.
greg4012 wrote:DayofMourning wrote:Fifteen million per is not going to happen with us. Once again, we could offer a one year above market contract, and then offer a multi year for much less, but that's increasingly difficult to do and avoid potential tampering issues. I believe it was the Wolves and Joe Smith who set the precedent for that type of thing, and the punishment for trying it...
Riley will talk to Davis, there are some Kentucky ties, and we have reportedly been interested (who wouldn't be?) in the past when he was being made available.
If that doesn't get done, then maybe a big one year contract to a guy like Ibaka fills a need.
Much less sexy is a guy like Tyson Chandler. He'd fit the bill though.
Another won't happen, but would be interesting scenario is Nerlens. Fits the defensive anchor requirement well, but hasn't gotten paid yet (his agent's fault) and will want some money in the bank. More than we can afford.
Lastly, is the prospect of a draft pick coming in and filling that role. He wouldn't contribute much next year though, if at all.
I don't understand how a 38-year old Tyson Chandler who has played 200 minutes in the past year and has never made a 3 fits any sort of bill. Spacing is imperative in fit next to Bam. This need for a big man next to him is WAY overblown if it compromises our entire offensive scheme by setting up an ineffective road block in the paint.
I'm not opposed to committing some longer term cap this offseason for the right price. OVercommitting to the 2021 dream at the cost of real quality longterm improvement is a mistake. We can spend less than max this offseason and still work out a max slot for 2021. That's A LOT of improvement
DayofMourning wrote:greg4012 wrote:DayofMourning wrote:Fifteen million per is not going to happen with us. Once again, we could offer a one year above market contract, and then offer a multi year for much less, but that's increasingly difficult to do and avoid potential tampering issues. I believe it was the Wolves and Joe Smith who set the precedent for that type of thing, and the punishment for trying it...
Riley will talk to Davis, there are some Kentucky ties, and we have reportedly been interested (who wouldn't be?) in the past when he was being made available.
If that doesn't get done, then maybe a big one year contract to a guy like Ibaka fills a need.
Much less sexy is a guy like Tyson Chandler. He'd fit the bill though.
Another won't happen, but would be interesting scenario is Nerlens. Fits the defensive anchor requirement well, but hasn't gotten paid yet (his agent's fault) and will want some money in the bank. More than we can afford.
Lastly, is the prospect of a draft pick coming in and filling that role. He wouldn't contribute much next year though, if at all.
I don't understand how a 38-year old Tyson Chandler who has played 200 minutes in the past year and has never made a 3 fits any sort of bill. Spacing is imperative in fit next to Bam. This need for a big man next to him is WAY overblown if it compromises our entire offensive scheme by setting up an ineffective road block in the paint.
I'm not opposed to committing some longer term cap this offseason for the right price. OVercommitting to the 2021 dream at the cost of real quality longterm improvement is a mistake. We can spend less than max this offseason and still work out a max slot for 2021. That's A LOT of improvement
I'm not as infatuated with the three as some. If you have no rebounding, or interior defense, to the point of basically conceding points in the paint 2 out of 3 times, then you need to improve. Every single player on this team doesn't need to be a three point threat. That's nonsensical.
As for Chandler, he can be brought in at a low contract, give us some minutes to defend and board when we have no one else on the roster who can do it well besides Bam (who is overworked). Tyson has been a plus offensively in his career as well. It's not like he's dragging a team down. He's excellent at rim running and is an easy lob target.
As for 2021, you might not be opposed to handing out 15 million to Christian Woods, but is Riley and Co. going to?
greg4012 wrote:DayofMourning wrote:greg4012 wrote:
I don't understand how a 38-year old Tyson Chandler who has played 200 minutes in the past year and has never made a 3 fits any sort of bill. Spacing is imperative in fit next to Bam. This need for a big man next to him is WAY overblown if it compromises our entire offensive scheme by setting up an ineffective road block in the paint.
I'm not opposed to committing some longer term cap this offseason for the right price. OVercommitting to the 2021 dream at the cost of real quality longterm improvement is a mistake. We can spend less than max this offseason and still work out a max slot for 2021. That's A LOT of improvement
I'm not as infatuated with the three as some. If you have no rebounding, or interior defense, to the point of basically conceding points in the paint 2 out of 3 times, then you need to improve. Every single player on this team doesn't need to be a three point threat. That's nonsensical.
As for Chandler, he can be brought in at a low contract, give us some minutes to defend and board when we have no one else on the roster who can do it well besides Bam (who is overworked). Tyson has been a plus offensively in his career as well. It's not like he's dragging a team down. He's excellent at rim running and is an easy lob target.
As for 2021, you might not be opposed to handing out 15 million to Christian Woods, but is Riley and Co. going to?
You're fixated on one thing without assessing how it'll affect the whole. A paint clogging center will undeniably make our offense worse on a possession by possesion basis. Even moreso if the paint clogger doesn't contribute anything of plus value on the offensive end.
Every single player doesn't need to be a 3-point threat. But to succeed in the modern NBA it's pretty much law that having more than 2 players on the court at once that aren't a 3-point threat is grave disadvantage and makes for abysmal spacing that chokes the offense. That's not even accounting for what efficiency metrics say about 3PA compared to 2PA
