Catchall wrote:
I don't think Oubre + 10 would net Oladipo, but could attract a player just a tier below that -- e.g., Buddy Hield, maybe Jrue Holliday, not sure.
You have Hield and Holiday on the same level?!?!
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Catchall wrote:
I don't think Oubre + 10 would net Oladipo, but could attract a player just a tier below that -- e.g., Buddy Hield, maybe Jrue Holliday, not sure.
rugbyrugger23 wrote:Wiggins + #3 + 2021 Wolves FRP
FOR
Oubre Jr. + #10
—
Suns draft GOF (Ball?) they like next to Booker or PFOF (Toppin?) they like next to Ayton. Wiggins comes off bench as super scoring super expensive 6th man.
If Suns don’t have a master plan for using their cap space, this is an option. Taking on bad contract for assets.
Also opens up consolidation trade in 1 to 2 years. Either Rubio as expiring ballast 2021 offseason or Wiggins as expiring ballast 2022 offseason, added to 2021 Wolves FRP + Suns FRPs (as needed) + Youth (Johnson or Bridges or 2020 #3) all on table depending on how big of name available.
*And I think for GSW, might be a way to trade Oubre Jr. for Iggy TPE, then Wiggins for Suns pure cap space and get a fresh 29.5mil Wiggins TPE???
hcsilla wrote:rugbyrugger23 wrote:Wiggins + #3 + 2021 Wolves FRP
FOR
Oubre Jr. + #10
Interesting idea, which the Suns seriously would have to consider, IMO.
Wiggins' contract is toxic, but moving 7 spots in the lottery is valuable and so is MIN 2021 pick.
hcsilla wrote:rugbyrugger23 wrote:Wiggins + #3 + 2021 Wolves FRP
FOR
Oubre Jr. + #10
Interesting idea, which the Suns seriously would have to consider, IMO.
Wiggins' contract is toxic, but moving 7 spots in the lottery is valuable and so is MIN 2021 pick.
rugbyrugger23 wrote:Wiggins + #3 + 2021 Wolves FRP
FOR
Oubre Jr. + #10
—
Suns draft GOF (Ball?) they like next to Booker or PFOF (Toppin?) they like next to Ayton. Wiggins comes off bench as super scoring super expensive 6th man.
If Suns don’t have a master plan for using their cap space, this is an option. Taking on bad contract for assets.
Also opens up consolidation trade in 1 to 2 years. Either Rubio as expiring ballast 2021 offseason or Wiggins as expiring ballast 2022 offseason, added to 2021 Wolves FRP + Suns FRPs (as needed) + Youth (Johnson or Bridges or 2020 #3) all on table depending on how big of name available.
*And I think for GSW, might be a way to trade Oubre Jr. for Iggy TPE, then Wiggins for Suns pure cap space and get a fresh 29.5mil Wiggins TPE???
Fo-Real wrote:rugbyrugger23 wrote:Wiggins + #3 + 2021 Wolves FRP
FOR
Oubre Jr. + #10
—
Suns draft GOF (Ball?) they like next to Booker or PFOF (Toppin?) they like next to Ayton. Wiggins comes off bench as super scoring super expensive 6th man.
If Suns don’t have a master plan for using their cap space, this is an option. Taking on bad contract for assets.
Also opens up consolidation trade in 1 to 2 years. Either Rubio as expiring ballast 2021 offseason or Wiggins as expiring ballast 2022 offseason, added to 2021 Wolves FRP + Suns FRPs (as needed) + Youth (Johnson or Bridges or 2020 #3) all on table depending on how big of name available.
*And I think for GSW, might be a way to trade Oubre Jr. for Iggy TPE, then Wiggins for Suns pure cap space and get a fresh 29.5mil Wiggins TPE???
Anytime the name Wiggins comes up, nobody outside GS fans reads the proposal any further.
Fo-Real wrote:I would have to imagine that if the play of Bridges and Cam Johnson somehow makes Kelly available, then that would mean rekindling the talks with Orlando about Gordon. Them asking for Kelly was the sticking point.
Crives wrote:Fo-Real wrote:I would have to imagine that if the play of Bridges and Cam Johnson somehow makes Kelly available, then that would mean rekindling the talks with Orlando about Gordon. Them asking for Kelly was the sticking point.
I don’t get that one. AG would be an awkward fit in the starting lineup. If we are taking Oubre out his replacement needs to be a good shooter like we saw from Cam yesterday.
Godaddycurse wrote:Markkanen + Sato + 2nd(s).. which is probably a tad light
Fo-Real wrote:Crives wrote:Fo-Real wrote:I would have to imagine that if the play of Bridges and Cam Johnson somehow makes Kelly available, then that would mean rekindling the talks with Orlando about Gordon. Them asking for Kelly was the sticking point.
I don’t get that one. AG would be an awkward fit in the starting lineup. If we are taking Oubre out his replacement needs to be a good shooter like we saw from Cam yesterday.
You are worried about shooting that we already have but you are willing to take on Wiggin's huge contract? If we decide to move Oubre it would be to upgrade at PF, if we are not in need of that then just keep Oubre and he can freelance there. We can address the back up guard spot in the draft or free-agency.
Crives wrote:Fo-Real wrote:Crives wrote:
I don’t get that one. AG would be an awkward fit in the starting lineup. If we are taking Oubre out his replacement needs to be a good shooter like we saw from Cam yesterday.
You are worried about shooting that we already have but you are willing to take on Wiggin's huge contract? If we decide to move Oubre it would be to upgrade at PF, if we are not in need of that then just keep Oubre and he can freelance there. We can address the back up guard spot in the draft or free-agency.
I said I would consider taking back Wiggins if we kept #10. The return would be #3 + Wolves 1st. In a year or two we could package Wiggins expiring with a couple young players from these picks and a bunch of future firsts for a disgruntled star.
I would probably be ok with this.
PG - Rubio/MLE this summer (Clarkson, Dragic, Holiday,..)
SG - Booker/Carter/Vassel(#10)
SF - Bridges/Wiggins/Vassel(#10)
PF - Cam/Saric/Frank
C -Ayton/Baynes/Frank
+ whoever we select at #3
Fo-Real wrote:hcsilla wrote:rugbyrugger23 wrote:Wiggins + #3 + 2021 Wolves FRP
FOR
Oubre Jr. + #10
Interesting idea, which the Suns seriously would have to consider, IMO.
Wiggins' contract is toxic, but moving 7 spots in the lottery is valuable and so is MIN 2021 pick.
Killin me Smalls!!! -1 may I remind you that Wiggins is set to make 29, 31 and 33 MILLION DOLLARS the next 3 years!!! All while not giving us what Oubre would while maybe making 19-20 mil if we resigned him.
BlazersBroncos wrote:I think PHX should do all it can to get Lauri. Also think Sato is a great fit.
Lauri + Sato + SRP for Oubre + 10?
This seems like a really nice, balanced lineup. Spend the MLE on a PF compliment to Lauri that can defend and is athletic:
G - Ricky Rubi / Jevon Carter / Jalen Lecque
G - Devin Booker / Tomas Satoransky / Ty Jerome
F - Mikal Bridges / Cam Johnson
F - Lauri Markkanen / Rondae Hollis-Jefferson / Frank Kaminsky
C - DeAndre Ayton / Aron Baynes / Frank Kaminsky
Fo-Real wrote:Catchall wrote:
I don't think Oubre + 10 would net Oladipo, but could attract a player just a tier below that -- e.g., Buddy Hield, maybe Jrue Holliday, not sure.
You have Hield and Holiday on the same level?!?!
HartfordWhalers wrote:Crives wrote:Fo-Real wrote:
You are worried about shooting that we already have but you are willing to take on Wiggin's huge contract? If we decide to move Oubre it would be to upgrade at PF, if we are not in need of that then just keep Oubre and he can freelance there. We can address the back up guard spot in the draft or free-agency.
I said I would consider taking back Wiggins if we kept #10. The return would be #3 + Wolves 1st. In a year or two we could package Wiggins expiring with a couple young players from these picks and a bunch of future firsts for a disgruntled star.
I would probably be ok with this.
PG - Rubio/MLE this summer (Clarkson, Dragic, Holiday,..)
SG - Booker/Carter/Vassel(#10)
SF - Bridges/Wiggins/Vassel(#10)
PF - Cam/Saric/Frank
C -Ayton/Baynes/Frank
+ whoever we select at #3
This feels like a debate that doesn't matter. I wouldn't offer both picks as GS, even as someone who thinks they should move picks to get better now and optimize the end of heir championship window.
Skybox wrote:HartfordWhalers wrote:Crives wrote:
I said I would consider taking back Wiggins if we kept #10. The return would be #3 + Wolves 1st. In a year or two we could package Wiggins expiring with a couple young players from these picks and a bunch of future firsts for a disgruntled star.
I would probably be ok with this.
PG - Rubio/MLE this summer (Clarkson, Dragic, Holiday,..)
SG - Booker/Carter/Vassel(#10)
SF - Bridges/Wiggins/Vassel(#10)
PF - Cam/Saric/Frank
C -Ayton/Baynes/Frank
+ whoever we select at #3
This feels like a debate that doesn't matter. I wouldn't offer both picks as GS, even as someone who thinks they should move picks to get better now and optimize the end of heir championship window.
Agreed. I can't believe GSW would trade both picks to compensate for Wiggins' admittedly overpaid deal. Those are two SERIOUS value picks and those two contributors will come in cost-controlled for years while Wiggins' deal winds down. I know many will disagree, but I don't put Oubre (basketball wise-contracts notwithstanding) on a different tier than Wiggins. Oubre is a good scorer, okay shooter, solid athlete...if he gets the kind of deal he's probably angling for, he'll be overpaid too. I'd take Wiggins and two elite picks over Oubre and #10 any day...I also concur that those picks should be traded for win-now pieces for GSW.
Pinkyring wrote:Fo-Real wrote:hcsilla wrote:
Interesting idea, which the Suns seriously would have to consider, IMO.
Wiggins' contract is toxic, but moving 7 spots in the lottery is valuable and so is MIN 2021 pick.
Killin me Smalls!!! -1 may I remind you that Wiggins is set to make 29, 31 and 33 MILLION DOLLARS the next 3 years!!! All while not giving us what Oubre would while maybe making 19-20 mil if we resigned him.
Any gm giving oubre 20m ahould be fired, he's overpaid at 15m he's a mle type player
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