Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce

[Clyde_Style]

He's already got federal agents throwing people in unmarked vans for him. Hope they don't decide to just stick by him.

Again, it doesn't matter. It would still only be a very small sub-set of federal employees willing to go rogue. The rest of the federal government is going to follow the rules. After all, guys doing the bad crap that Trump is ordering them to do now are "just following orders." Well, the order of the land will be Trump must vacate and if it means some Q nation numbnutz embedded in the Secret Service decide to fall on their swords for der fuhrer then they'll be carried out on a stretcher.

hopefully you are right but I'm keeping up my guard anyway

You're right. It will probably be a chit show, because Trump is incapable of anything else. So November 4th to January 21st may be the low point of American history in this century. I expect nothing less from this deviant criminal. But he still will fail, because Trump fails at everything he does and the system still will not allow him to take over as a fascist ruler.

My concern is not whether he will be removed from the WH. My concern is he will know he's cooked and headed to jail and he will definitely seek to use his powers for vengeance and will try to destroy anything vaguely associated with Obama in that transition period. He is going to go on a crime spree and I'm worried about him trying to nuke somebody too. He's insane and he will have nothing left to lose so he will be an imminent threat to the planet in his last days.

[HarthorneWingo]

already setting the stage to declare the election fraudulent because he has no intention of stepping down. he's already got the walls fences and barricades set up around the WH. It looks more like the walled compound of a dictator than the house of the democratically elected leader of an allegedly free nation. Hope people are ready for the prospect of having to drag him out of there by force and face off with his brownshirts to make it happen, because that's on the table

Very much on the table.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-suggests-delaying-presidential-election_n_5f22c5dbc5b68fbfc87fb852

States are increasingly offering mail-in ballots due to concerns related to the coronavirus pandemic, but Trump has repeatedly tried to dissuade people from voting by mail, claiming — without any supporting evidence — that it will lead to voter fraud. 

Trump has no power over the election schedule; moving it would require changing federal law. The Constitution states the exact date and time when a president and vice president’s term ends. There is no clause that would allow a president to remain in office beyond that date, which is the Jan. 20 following the presidential election.

We should go with the Vaudeville Hook!

[Jeffrey]

:lol:

Read on Twitter

Sorry mods but it's time to lift the cursing rules for this.

He is a f.cking moron. FCK HIM and anyone in that administration. They should never ever have a job in government again.

[robillionaire]

this isn't even half as bad as his tweet yesterday about protecting suburbia from low income housing

[Jeffrey]

already setting the stage to declare the election fraudulent because he has no intention of stepping down. he's already got the walls fences and barricades set up around the WH. It looks more like the walled compound of a dictator than the house of the democratically elected leader of an allegedly free nation. Hope people are ready for the prospect of having to drag him out of there by force and face off with his brownshirts to make it happen, because that's on the table

Very much on the table.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-suggests-delaying-presidential-election_n_5f22c5dbc5b68fbfc87fb852

States are increasingly offering mail-in ballots due to concerns related to the coronavirus pandemic, but Trump has repeatedly tried to dissuade people from voting by mail, claiming — without any supporting evidence — that it will lead to voter fraud. 

Trump has no power over the election schedule; moving it would require changing federal law. The Constitution states the exact date and time when a president and vice president’s term ends. There is no clause that would allow a president to remain in office beyond that date, which is the Jan. 20 following the presidential election.

@HarthorneWingo

Let me ask you this question... if the Supreme Court has a ruling that this administration does not like, what stops this administration to continue to move forward with whatever they do? Basically ignoring the judicial branch and just say F you. What can the Supreme Court do then?

[Jeffrey]

BTW, if I remember correctly, we had an election during a fcking Civil War.

[robillionaire]

BTW, if I remember correctly, we had an election during a fcking Civil War.

we had primary elections during the worst part of the pandemic where more people were dying

[GONYK]

Doesn't Pelosi become President on Jan 20 if the results of the election are still in question?

[dakomish23]

I don't see any evidence supporting herd immunity is bs?
show me the cases of reinfection. otherwise, i will look towards sweden and nyc's flatline in cases.

as far as your economic speculation, i'll rely on the krona to usd valuation over your views.

but keep pretending that team Democrat will save you by forcing small businesses to continue to shutdown with cases flatlined in hopes of more bailouts from the fed printers.

Are you saying NYC reached herd immunity? I just want to make sure instead of assuming

[Jeffrey]

Herman Cain passed away due to COVID-19. He was one of Trump's supporters and anti-mask during this pandemic.

[Clyde_Style]

Doesn't Pelosi become President on Jan 20 if the results of the election are still in question?

Yes, it is possible, but that would probably only be in the case of court challenges working their way to SCOTUS past Jan. 20. In that case, Trump's term would expire and Pelosi would likely be escorted in as the temporal president until it gets resolved. But then the winning President & VP would take possession of the WH once the air cleared and Pelosi would step down.

There is a another context in what would be called a Contingent Election, but that is where the electoral college is in a virtual dead heat and whomever has the Senate majority could determine the outcome. That's not likely in this instance.

I haven't researched it heavily so I'm sure there is better information to be had on this question.

But the gist is likely that Trump does not get to camp out past inauguration date even if they've managed to turn the election into a legal battle.

[HarthorneWingo]

Very much on the table.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-suggests-delaying-presidential-election_n_5f22c5dbc5b68fbfc87fb852

States are increasingly offering mail-in ballots due to concerns related to the coronavirus pandemic, but Trump has repeatedly tried to dissuade people from voting by mail, claiming — without any supporting evidence — that it will lead to voter fraud. 

Trump has no power over the election schedule; moving it would require changing federal law. The Constitution states the exact date and time when a president and vice president’s term ends. There is no clause that would allow a president to remain in office beyond that date, which is the Jan. 20 following the presidential election.

@HarthorneWingo

Let me ask you this question... if the Supreme Court has a ruling that this administration does not like, what stops this administration to continue to move forward with whatever they do? Basically ignoring the judicial branch and just say F you. What can the Supreme Court do then?

Trump has to rely on those federal government employees to carry out any illicit plans. Anyone who violated the Supreme Court Order would be subject to contempt sanctions and probably lose their job.

[Jeffrey]

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-suggests-delaying-presidential-election_n_5f22c5dbc5b68fbfc87fb852

@HarthorneWingo

Let me ask you this question... if the Supreme Court has a ruling that this administration does not like, what stops this administration to continue to move forward with whatever they do? Basically ignoring the judicial branch and just say F you. What can the Supreme Court do then?

Trump has to rely on those federal government employees to carry out any illicit plans. Anyone who violated the Supreme Court Order would be subject to contempt sanctions and probably lose their job.

Those are all in theories right? Who is going to enforce it? Is it supposed to be Barr and the DOJ?

[HarthorneWingo]

@HarthorneWingo

Let me ask you this question... if the Supreme Court has a ruling that this administration does not like, what stops this administration to continue to move forward with whatever they do? Basically ignoring the judicial branch and just say F you. What can the Supreme Court do then?

Trump has to rely on those federal government employees to carry out any illicit plans. Anyone who violated the Supreme Court Order would be subject to contempt sanctions and probably lose their job.

Those are all in theories right? Who is going to enforce it? Is it supposed to be Barr and the DOJ?

I believe that Congressional oversight committees can file enforce it file filing Emergency Motions for Contempt, Temporary Restraining Orders, etc. Also, others with "standing" - like effected citizens - and can file lawsuits, usually those are filed by and through special interest groups.

[Clyde_Style]

One other thing I do not see anywhere is if the Dems get a landslide in the Senate, they could impeach Trump in both houses between January 3rd (when new Senators take their seats) and January 20th and let Pence handle the transition the last two weeks.

I don't see why Pelosi and Schumer would not quickly impeach him in early January if Trump is still trying to sabotage the transition.

Thus, even if there is still a looming SCOTUS ruling, the election results are for the presidential ticket and Pence would be the line of succession. So in this theory, Trump could be escorted out before January 20 and Pence could remain for the interim until a ruling or hand-over to Biden. It is unlikely then Trump would ever be let back in through the doors of the WH. If I'm right, then the president could be removed for other crimes by the Senate even if the election results remain contested, because one does not equal the other.

[Clyde_Style]

@HarthorneWingo

Let me ask you this question... if the Supreme Court has a ruling that this administration does not like, what stops this administration to continue to move forward with whatever they do? Basically ignoring the judicial branch and just say F you. What can the Supreme Court do then?

Trump has to rely on those federal government employees to carry out any illicit plans. Anyone who violated the Supreme Court Order would be subject to contempt sanctions and probably lose their job.

Those are all in theories right? Who is going to enforce it? Is it supposed to be Barr and the DOJ?

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/02/what-if-he-wont-go/606259/

If Trump were inclined to overstay his term, the levers of power work in favor of removal. Because the president immediately and automatically loses his constitutional authority upon expiration of his term or after removal through impeachment, he would lack the power to direct the U.S. Secret Service or other federal agents to protect him. He would likewise lose his power, as the commander in chief of the armed forces, to order a military response to defend him. In fact, the newly minted president would possess those presidential powers. If necessary, the successor could direct federal agents to forcibly remove Trump from the White House. Now a private citizen, Trump would no longer be immune from criminal prosecution, and could be arrested and charged with trespassing in the White House. While even former presidents enjoy Secret Service protection, agents presumably would not follow an illegal order to protect one from removal from office.

I think my impeachment idea is going to take off in the media soon. Surprised it hasn't gotten any play yet, but it is clearly a swift and decisive way to 100% eliminate Trump's powers ahead of the inauguration date if that becomes necessary.

The following article is also worth checking out:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-impeachment-refuse-leave-office-nixon-cohen-white-house-a8814991.html

[BallSacBounce]

Very much on the table.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-suggests-delaying-presidential-election_n_5f22c5dbc5b68fbfc87fb852

States are increasingly offering mail-in ballots due to concerns related to the coronavirus pandemic, but Trump has repeatedly tried to dissuade people from voting by mail, claiming — without any supporting evidence — that it will lead to voter fraud. 

Trump has no power over the election schedule; moving it would require changing federal law. The Constitution states the exact date and time when a president and vice president’s term ends. There is no clause that would allow a president to remain in office beyond that date, which is the Jan. 20 following the presidential election.

@HarthorneWingo

Let me ask you this question... if the Supreme Court has a ruling that this administration does not like, what stops this administration to continue to move forward with whatever they do? Basically ignoring the judicial branch and just say F you. What can the Supreme Court do then?

In the famous words of President Andrew Jackson.

“John Marshall has made his decision;

now let him enforce it.”

Just kidding, nowadays people accept the Supreme Court has the last word. Back then it wasn't universally accepted yet. But it's a great quote underlining the continuing struggle for power within the three branches of government.

[BallSacBounce]

Trump is pulling NATO troops out of Germany. Isn't this what Putin wants??

It's what's best for the United States.
Saves us money and puts pressure on Germany to come up with their agreed to share of GDP towards military defense which saves the American taxpayer money. This is great for us, right?

Many people on the left have been, rightly so, calling for a reduction in our overseas military. Finally someone on the right agrees with the left and you want to crap on him because why exactly?

[Clyde_Style]

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-suggests-delaying-presidential-election_n_5f22c5dbc5b68fbfc87fb852

@HarthorneWingo

Let me ask you this question... if the Supreme Court has a ruling that this administration does not like, what stops this administration to continue to move forward with whatever they do? Basically ignoring the judicial branch and just say F you. What can the Supreme Court do then?

In the famous words of President Andrew Jackson.

“John Marshall has made his decision;

now let him enforce it.”

Just kidding, nowadays people accept the Supreme Court has the last word. Back then it wasn't universally accepted yet. But it's a great quote underlining the continuing struggle for power within the three branches of government.

At the end of the day the military is going to defend the constitution if they are called upon to do so. Trump has zero chance of staying in the WH without an electoral mandate.

That said, the armed forces should not get involved unless all other remedies have failed and other federal agencies have failed to remove Trump from the WH when he is required to leave.

It is bad for democracy when the military gets involved, but our military has sent every signal needed to understand they will not tolerate Trump usurping the peoples' will. Their oath is to the constitution, not the POTUS and senior brass are already seriously pissed at this guy.

[BallSacBounce]

The Deuce refers to Biden being dropped on the electorate am I right?