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I know that we have a thread dealing with next season, BUT this is specifically to get opinions on the board about a trade target.
For the assets that we can assemble, the players that seem to be in our price range are:
JRUE HOLIDAY - the anti-star and 1-time All-Star, Holiday makes his impact on both ends without dominating usage. At 30, and having missed nearly 1/4 of his career due to injuries, you wonder whether he will have a steep dropoff, but it hasn't happened yet. Can perform well at either guard spot.
DEMAR DEROZAN - the most decorated (4-time All-Star) player on the list, DeRozan also happens to be the oldest. Turning 31 in August, his elite production has depended on heavy usage and superior rebounding and assisting for his position. Defense has diminished, and though he can still generate highlight dunks, his all-world athleticism may be fading. Never met a 3-pointer he did like.
OTTO PORTER - the most known unknown player in the league and least acclaimed on this list, an healthy Porter has two-way All-Star impact on role-player usage. The problem is, at 27yo he's missed 30% of his career due to nagging kinetic chain injuries. Can defend 1 thru 4 well, and has registered some lava-hot %'s from deep.
VICTOR OLADIPO - the 28yo SG with SF length and PG quickness has seen the highest highs on both ends of the floor, of any of these 4 players, in one magical season. He has yet to replicate those 17-18 figures, and injuries (are you noticing a theme?) have derailed his ascent into superstardom. Does his best work when orchestrating offenses as the lead guard.
Here is a statistical comparison of the quartet: https://tinyurl.com/y32z59et
For the assets that we can assemble, the players that seem to be in our price range are:
JRUE HOLIDAY - the anti-star and 1-time All-Star, Holiday makes his impact on both ends without dominating usage. At 30, and having missed nearly 1/4 of his career due to injuries, you wonder whether he will have a steep dropoff, but it hasn't happened yet. Can perform well at either guard spot.
DEMAR DEROZAN - the most decorated (4-time All-Star) player on the list, DeRozan also happens to be the oldest. Turning 31 in August, his elite production has depended on heavy usage and superior rebounding and assisting for his position. Defense has diminished, and though he can still generate highlight dunks, his all-world athleticism may be fading. Never met a 3-pointer he did like.
OTTO PORTER - the most known unknown player in the league and least acclaimed on this list, an healthy Porter has two-way All-Star impact on role-player usage. The problem is, at 27yo he's missed 30% of his career due to nagging kinetic chain injuries. Can defend 1 thru 4 well, and has registered some lava-hot %'s from deep.
VICTOR OLADIPO - the 28yo SG with SF length and PG quickness has seen the highest highs on both ends of the floor, of any of these 4 players, in one magical season. He has yet to replicate those 17-18 figures, and injuries (are you noticing a theme?) have derailed his ascent into superstardom. Does his best work when orchestrating offenses as the lead guard.
Here is a statistical comparison of the quartet: https://tinyurl.com/y32z59et
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Would prefer Holiday.
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The only one worth that package is Holiday.
Dipo sort of is, but definitely not with his injury concerns.
Dipo sort of is, but definitely not with his injury concerns.
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Also I accidentally voted for Dipo.
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None of the above. If we're dealing LeVert (instead of Dinwiddie), we need to return a wing, and preferably one that will be a long-term piece even after KD. I have no interest in DeRozan (style/fit) or Jrue (position/size). Porter and Dipo fit, but I wouldn't give up a ton of future upside for them due to injury worries.
Swap Dinwiddie for LeVert, and I make the Jrue trade.
Swap Dinwiddie for LeVert, and I make the Jrue trade.
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vincecarter4pres wrote:Also I accidentally voted for Dipo.
Voted Holiday for you.
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Joel Embust wrote:vincecarter4pres wrote:Also I accidentally voted for Dipo.
Voted Holiday for you.
Thanks!
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None.
Team is nice the way it is.
Kyrie / LeVert / Harris / KD / DJ
Dinwiddie / TJ / Prince / Claxton / Allen
Chiozza / TLC / Rodi
This is a deep 13 man rotation. If KD, Kyrie, or LeVert miss time due to injuries or rest, we have players that are more than capable of taking on a bigger role for short stretches.
DeRozan can’t stretch the floor. Dipo has injury concerns. Holiday is too small to play next to Kyrie and will be a free agent looking for a max contract a year from now. I wouldn’t destroy our depth for any of these players.
Team is nice the way it is.
Kyrie / LeVert / Harris / KD / DJ
Dinwiddie / TJ / Prince / Claxton / Allen
Chiozza / TLC / Rodi
This is a deep 13 man rotation. If KD, Kyrie, or LeVert miss time due to injuries or rest, we have players that are more than capable of taking on a bigger role for short stretches.
DeRozan can’t stretch the floor. Dipo has injury concerns. Holiday is too small to play next to Kyrie and will be a free agent looking for a max contract a year from now. I wouldn’t destroy our depth for any of these players.
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I agree with KD......^^
I like the pieces we have, the only player I would want to move would be Prince. And I don't even feel an urgent need to move him.
But hypothetically, if I had to make one of those trades. I would probably go for broke on Derozan.
I like the pieces we have, the only player I would want to move would be Prince. And I don't even feel an urgent need to move him.
But hypothetically, if I had to make one of those trades. I would probably go for broke on Derozan.
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Not offering that package for any of those guys. I would gladly take Jrue on this team but I ain't giving up all that for someone who is an expiring, and 30+. Hard pass on the other three.
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Don't like any of these options but if I had to pick, I'd be Jrue and it's probably not close.
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Stone wrote:I agree with KD......^^
I like the pieces we have, the only player I would want to move would be Prince. And I don't even feel an urgent need to move him.
But hypothetically, if I had to make one of those trades. I would probably go for broke on Derozan.
Prince will be much better coming off the bench in a 3+D role. He was asked to do a lot this season that he really has no business doing.
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MrDollarBills wrote:Stone wrote:I agree with KD......^^
I like the pieces we have, the only player I would want to move would be Prince. And I don't even feel an urgent need to move him.
But hypothetically, if I had to make one of those trades. I would probably go for broke on Derozan.
Prince will be much better coming off the bench in a 3+D role. He was asked to do a lot this season that he really has no business doing.
I hope we can keep our depth and Prince definitely has a role with us. Him and Rodi bring much needed versatility along. Load management?
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I love both Caris and Din, will take them before anyone. However if Jrue is out there and uncertainty with Caris and Din will appear I won't hesitate at all.
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A name I don't recall being brought up recently, who I can definitely see mutual interest in being moved is... Tobias Harris.
This is depending on how the playoffs go for Philly and his asset cost for us, but I could definitely see something like Dinwiddie/Prince/Rodi or Musa and a 1st or 2 with reasonable protections exchanged for him.
This is depending on how the playoffs go for Philly and his asset cost for us, but I could definitely see something like Dinwiddie/Prince/Rodi or Musa and a 1st or 2 with reasonable protections exchanged for him.
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I ain't giving up Dinwiddie for Tobias Harris' terrible contract, let alone picks. We need to aim higher and think smarter.vincecarter4pres wrote:A name I don't recall being brought up recently, who I can definitely see mutual interest in being moved is... Tobias Harris.
This is depending on how the playoffs go for Philly and his asset cost for us, but I could definitely see something like Dinwiddie/Prince/Rodi or Musa and a 1st or 2 with reasonable protections exchanged for him.
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DarkXaero wrote:I ain't giving up Dinwiddie for Tobias Harris' terrible contract, let alone picks. We need to aim higher and think smarter.vincecarter4pres wrote:A name I don't recall being brought up recently, who I can definitely see mutual interest in being moved is... Tobias Harris.
This is depending on how the playoffs go for Philly and his asset cost for us, but I could definitely see something like Dinwiddie/Prince/Rodi or Musa and a 1st or 2 with reasonable protections exchanged for him.
We'd be paying Tobias max dollars to be a spot up shooter. I'll pass
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C: Richaun Holmes/Thomas Bryant
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SF: OG Anunoby/Matisse Thybulle
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Oladipo is the clear answer out of these options.
Derozan, Porter and Holiday are not even "stars."
We have already seen Oladipo go toe to toe in a playoff series with LeBron for 7 games. And he fits great with Kyrie in the backcourt.
I would still rather just keep the team as is and pursue Ibaka though.
Derozan, Porter and Holiday are not even "stars."
We have already seen Oladipo go toe to toe in a playoff series with LeBron for 7 games. And he fits great with Kyrie in the backcourt.
I would still rather just keep the team as is and pursue Ibaka though.
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vincecarter4pres wrote:A name I don't recall being brought up recently, who I can definitely see mutual interest in being moved is... Tobias Harris.
This is depending on how the playoffs go for Philly and his asset cost for us, but I could definitely see something like Dinwiddie/Prince/Rodi or Musa and a 1st or 2 with reasonable protections exchanged for him.
Are you serious?
Have you seen that contract?
Max money for a player who has never even made an All Star team.
I wouldn't go near that awful contract.
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I would take Harris for Levert and Prince, but only if they included Thybulle as sweetener. I'm really not feeling Tobias' inefficient offense, mediocre defense and gargantuan contract.
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