OT: Jonathan Isaac answers media (unecessary) questions

[Pointgod]

I can attempt to understand not kneeling but what's his issue with wearing a shirt that says black lives matter?

You could assume it has to do with some of the statements on BLM website. He has no issue with the 3 words but some of the organization's beliefs which could conflict with his religious beliefs.

https://blacklivesmatter.com/what-we-believe/

What beliefs there exactly could contradict with his religious beliefs? I read through the whole thing and it’s about unity and uplifting the marginalized among us. Hell it sounds way more along the lines of what true Christianity preaches than a lot of what these so called “political Christians” preach.

[kj_]

I can attempt to understand not kneeling but what's his issue with wearing a shirt that says black lives matter?

You could assume it has to do with some of the statements on BLM website. He has no issue with the 3 words but some of the organization's beliefs which could conflict with his religious beliefs.

https://blacklivesmatter.com/what-we-believe/

What beliefs there exactly could contradict with his religious beliefs? I read through the whole thing and it’s about unity and uplifting the marginalized among us. Hell it sounds way more along the lines of what true Christianity preaches than a lot of what these so called “political Christians” preach.

Black Lives Matter states on their website:
“We affirm the lives of Black queer and trans folks, disabled folks, undocumented folks, folks with records, women, and all Black lives along the gender spectrum. Our network centers those who have been marginalized within Black liberation movements.”

Something in there may not jive with his religious beliefs and be preventing him from supporting Black Lives Matter, but not necessarily, as he stated, black lives matter.

This is speculation, not fact.


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[Roco14]

You could assume it has to do with some of the statements on BLM website. He has no issue with the 3 words but some of the organization's beliefs which could conflict with his religious beliefs.

https://blacklivesmatter.com/what-we-believe/

What beliefs there exactly could contradict with his religious beliefs? I read through the whole thing and it’s about unity and uplifting the marginalized among us. Hell it sounds way more along the lines of what true Christianity preaches than a lot of what these so called “political Christians” preach.

Black Lives Matter states on their website:
“We affirm the lives of Black queer and trans folks, disabled folks, undocumented folks, folks with records, women, and all Black lives along the gender spectrum. Our network centers those who have been marginalized within Black liberation movements.”

Something in there may not jive with his religious beliefs and be preventing him from supporting Black Lives Matter, but not necessarily, as he stated, black lives matter.

This is speculation, not fact.


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Also,

We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and “villages” that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable.

[beanbag]

You don’t think modern cancel culture isn’t burning people at the stake for expressing an unpopular opinion?

I don't. I don't actually believe cancel culture is a thing.

Who has been unfairly cancelled?

Brendan Eich, co-founder of Mozilla was ousted for supporting proposition 8 in California years ago, and couldn’t get another job in Silicon Valley cause word was out that he didn’t support the LGBTQ movement. He lost his livelihood not because of anything professionally he did wrong, but because he didn’t think the right way. In fact, the guy who started the whole mess was gloating that he destroyed his life.

Sounds like the consequences of being a bigot. Who says you should only lose your livelihood for professional transgressions?

Also, this man who was "cancelled" is currently the CEO of a company.

[Johnny Bball]

You could assume it has to do with some of the statements on BLM website. He has no issue with the 3 words but some of the organization's beliefs which could conflict with his religious beliefs.

https://blacklivesmatter.com/what-we-believe/

What beliefs there exactly could contradict with his religious beliefs? I read through the whole thing and it’s about unity and uplifting the marginalized among us. Hell it sounds way more along the lines of what true Christianity preaches than a lot of what these so called “political Christians” preach.

Black Lives Matter states on their website:
“We affirm the lives of Black queer and trans folks, disabled folks, undocumented folks, folks with records, women, and all Black lives along the gender spectrum. Our network centers those who have been marginalized within Black liberation movements.”

Something in there may not jive with his religious beliefs and be preventing him from supporting Black Lives Matter, but not necessarily, as he stated, black lives matter.

This is speculation, not fact.


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Yeah I’m gonna guess you nailed it.

[ATLTimekeeper]

What beliefs there exactly could contradict with his religious beliefs? I read through the whole thing and it’s about unity and uplifting the marginalized among us. Hell it sounds way more along the lines of what true Christianity preaches than a lot of what these so called “political Christians” preach.

Black Lives Matter states on their website:
“We affirm the lives of Black queer and trans folks, disabled folks, undocumented folks, folks with records, women, and all Black lives along the gender spectrum. Our network centers those who have been marginalized within Black liberation movements.”

Something in there may not jive with his religious beliefs and be preventing him from supporting Black Lives Matter, but not necessarily, as he stated, black lives matter.

This is speculation, not fact.


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Also,

We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and “villages” that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable.

I doubt Isaac would protest the notion that other people outside of immediate family can provide care for one another.

[Chandan]

I don't. I don't actually believe cancel culture is a thing.

Who has been unfairly cancelled?

Kaepernick was cancelled by the right unfairly. they had the power to do that back then, we have the power to do it to them now. so yeah lets stoop to their level and punish people on the other side of the political spectrum because we dont agree with them.

had no idea when people celebrate diversity they only include the color of the skin and sexual orientation. god forbid someone was raised under a different set of values. how disappointing.

[shefcurry]

I don't. I don't actually believe cancel culture is a thing.

Who has been unfairly cancelled?

Brendan Eich, co-founder of Mozilla was ousted for supporting proposition 8 in California years ago, and couldn’t get another job in Silicon Valley cause word was out that he didn’t support the LGBTQ movement. He lost his livelihood not because of anything professionally he did wrong, but because he didn’t think the right way. In fact, the guy who started the whole mess was gloating that he destroyed his life.

Sounds like the consequences of being a bigot. Who says you should only lose your livelihood for professional transgressions?

Also, this man who was "cancelled" is currently the CEO of a company.

Right. So as long as you express a personal belief contrary to social consensus, it's fair game to... burn you at the stake. If you're a sinner, you deserve whatever punishment you get. Sound familiar? Why not bring back scarlet letters too? But instead of "A" for adulterer, the sin is now "R" for racist.

Cancel culture is nothing new. We've been here before. "Progress" looks a lot like the 17th century.

[kj_]

What beliefs there exactly could contradict with his religious beliefs? I read through the whole thing and it’s about unity and uplifting the marginalized among us. Hell it sounds way more along the lines of what true Christianity preaches than a lot of what these so called “political Christians” preach.

Black Lives Matter states on their website:
“We affirm the lives of Black queer and trans folks, disabled folks, undocumented folks, folks with records, women, and all Black lives along the gender spectrum. Our network centers those who have been marginalized within Black liberation movements.”

Something in there may not jive with his religious beliefs and be preventing him from supporting Black Lives Matter, but not necessarily, as he stated, black lives matter.

This is speculation, not fact.


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Also,

We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and “villages” that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable.

I think the family values point is made to hide the real LGBTQ hate without having to say it.


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[kj_]

You don’t think modern cancel culture isn’t burning people at the stake for expressing an unpopular opinion?

I don't. I don't actually believe cancel culture is a thing.

Who has been unfairly cancelled?

Brendan Eich, co-founder of Mozilla was ousted for supporting proposition 8 in California years ago, and couldn’t get another job in Silicon Valley cause word was out that he didn’t support the LGBTQ movement. He lost his livelihood not because of anything professionally he did wrong, but because he didn’t think the right way. In fact, the guy who started the whole mess was gloating that he destroyed his life.

In fairness, his support of Prop 8 was intended to destroy other people’s lives. So there’s that.


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[Pointgod]

You could assume it has to do with some of the statements on BLM website. He has no issue with the 3 words but some of the organization's beliefs which could conflict with his religious beliefs.

https://blacklivesmatter.com/what-we-believe/

What beliefs there exactly could contradict with his religious beliefs? I read through the whole thing and it’s about unity and uplifting the marginalized among us. Hell it sounds way more along the lines of what true Christianity preaches than a lot of what these so called “political Christians” preach.

Black Lives Matter states on their website:
“We affirm the lives of Black queer and trans folks, disabled folks, undocumented folks, folks with records, women, and all Black lives along the gender spectrum. Our network centers those who have been marginalized within Black liberation movements.”

Something in there may not jive with his religious beliefs and be preventing him from supporting Black Lives Matter, but not necessarily, as he stated, black lives matter.

This is speculation, not fact.


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I mean you could be right which would his decisions even worse. There’s nothing about saying that black LGTBQ people have the same human rights as cisgendered heterosexuals that should even be remotely controversial. Christians believe in the sanctity of life and we are all created in the image of God.

Besides if other religious players don’t see an issue neither should he.

[shefcurry]

Black Lives Matter states on their website:
“We affirm the lives of Black queer and trans folks, disabled folks, undocumented folks, folks with records, women, and all Black lives along the gender spectrum. Our network centers those who have been marginalized within Black liberation movements.”

Something in there may not jive with his religious beliefs and be preventing him from supporting Black Lives Matter, but not necessarily, as he stated, black lives matter.

This is speculation, not fact.


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Also,

We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and “villages” that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable.

I doubt Isaac would protest the notion that other people outside of immediate family can provide care for one another.

"Disrupt" the nuclear family is not the same thing as "it takes a village". The latter most people would agree with. The former is a call to destroy the fundamental unit that Western civilization has built around and replace it with a new model. I can absolutely see him taking offsense at that statement. Speculation, of course, but I bet if you polled 1,000 pastors, 999 of them would find that part very troubling.

[Roco14]

Also,

I doubt Isaac would protest the notion that other people outside of immediate family can provide care for one another.

"Disrupt" the nuclear family is not the same thing as "it takes a village". The latter most people would agree with. The former is a call to destroy the fundamental unit that Western civilization has built around and replace it with a new model. I can absolutely see him taking offsense at that statement. Speculation, of course, but I bet if you polled 1,000 pastors, 999 of them would find that part very troubling.

Exactly. Thank you. People need to stop interpreting it the way they choose and literally read the words on the website. We disrupt the nuclear family? Doesn't exactly align with Christian values.

[kj_]

Also,

I doubt Isaac would protest the notion that other people outside of immediate family can provide care for one another.

"Disrupt" the nuclear family is not the same thing as "it takes a village". The latter most people would agree with. The former is a call to destroy the fundamental unit that Western civilization has built around and replace it with a new model. I can absolutely see him taking offsense at that statement. Speculation, of course, but I bet if you polled 1,000 pastors, 999 of them would find that part very troubling.

I think that’s way too extreme a reaction to the word “disrupt”.


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[Pointgod]

What beliefs there exactly could contradict with his religious beliefs? I read through the whole thing and it’s about unity and uplifting the marginalized among us. Hell it sounds way more along the lines of what true Christianity preaches than a lot of what these so called “political Christians” preach.

Black Lives Matter states on their website:
“We affirm the lives of Black queer and trans folks, disabled folks, undocumented folks, folks with records, women, and all Black lives along the gender spectrum. Our network centers those who have been marginalized within Black liberation movements.”

Something in there may not jive with his religious beliefs and be preventing him from supporting Black Lives Matter, but not necessarily, as he stated, black lives matter.

This is speculation, not fact.


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Also,

We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and “villages” that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable.

So what’s the issue with this exactly? You know who else says believes that you don’t need a nuclear family to support each other? Sports teams! It’s not like many players don’t refer themselves as family. You ever heard of the concept it takes a village to raise a child? One has to try very hard to purposely misinterpret or find an issue with this.

[kj_]

I doubt Isaac would protest the notion that other people outside of immediate family can provide care for one another.

"Disrupt" the nuclear family is not the same thing as "it takes a village". The latter most people would agree with. The former is a call to destroy the fundamental unit that Western civilization has built around and replace it with a new model. I can absolutely see him taking offsense at that statement. Speculation, of course, but I bet if you polled 1,000 pastors, 999 of them would find that part very troubling.

Exactly. Thank you. People need to stop interpreting it the way they choose and literally read the words on the website. We disrupt the nuclear family? Doesn't exactly align with Christian values.

I think you stopped reading after disrupt. There absolutely nothing offensive or controversial following that.


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[beanbag]

Kaepernick was cancelled by the right unfairly. they had the power to do that back then, we have the power to do it to them now. so yeah lets stoop to their level and punish people on the other side of the political spectrum because we dont agree with them.

had no idea when people celebrate diversity they only include the color of the skin and sexual orientation. god forbid someone was raised under a different set of values. how disappointing.

Who's we? Lol

[shefcurry]

I doubt Isaac would protest the notion that other people outside of immediate family can provide care for one another.

"Disrupt" the nuclear family is not the same thing as "it takes a village". The latter most people would agree with. The former is a call to destroy the fundamental unit that Western civilization has built around and replace it with a new model. I can absolutely see him taking offsense at that statement. Speculation, of course, but I bet if you polled 1,000 pastors, 999 of them would find that part very troubling.

I think that’s way too extreme a reaction to the word “disrupt”.


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Disrupt means disrupt. This isn't rocket science. They're not claiming it takes a village. This is much stronger than that. It is a political mission statement.

[beanbag]

Brendan Eich, co-founder of Mozilla was ousted for supporting proposition 8 in California years ago, and couldn’t get another job in Silicon Valley cause word was out that he didn’t support the LGBTQ movement. He lost his livelihood not because of anything professionally he did wrong, but because he didn’t think the right way. In fact, the guy who started the whole mess was gloating that he destroyed his life.

Sounds like the consequences of being a bigot. Who says you should only lose your livelihood for professional transgressions?

Also, this man who was "cancelled" is currently the CEO of a company.

Right. So as long as you express a personal belief contrary to social consensus, it's fair game to... burn you at the stake. If you're a sinner, you deserve whatever punishment you get. Sound familiar? Why not bring back scarlet letters too? But instead of "A" for adulterer, the sin is now "R" for racist.

Cancel culture is nothing new. We've been here before. "Progress" looks a lot like the 17th century.

Dude, what?

Was he burned at the stake or is he actively the CEO of a company????

This man is literally still alive, running a business, and seemingly doing just fine. He is not cancelled. You are literally proving that cancel culture is not a thing.

[ItsDanger]

Disrupt could be defined as drastically alter or destroy the structure of. So destroying or abolishing the family unit. This is a key tenet of the Communist Manifesto and why people label the BLM organization as Marxist (you could argue on the technicalities of marxism vs communism). The purpose is to enhance reliance on the state. Now does this align with Isaac's religious beliefs? I would assume not.