ItsDanger wrote:Pointgod wrote:ItsDanger wrote:Disrupt could be defined as drastically alter or destroy the structure of. So destroying or abolishing the family unit. This is a key tenet of the Communist Manifesto and why people label the BLM organization as Marxist (you could argue on the technicalities of marxism vs communism). The purpose is to enhance reliance on the state. Now does this align with Isaac's religious beliefs? I would assume not.
I hope you didn’t pull anything this reach. Lol at the word salad of Communist and Marxist. Just repeating right wing talking points.
At least one of the BLM founders claimed to be a "trained Marxist". That is fact. There are several straight comparisons to Marxism right on their website. That is no reach. Claiming the opposite is a reach. Marx quote: "Die Religion ... ist das Opium des Volkes" From wiki: The full quote from Karl Marx translates as: "Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people".
Now, if I am an ordained minister like Isaac, that is offensive. We could argue that BLM isn't strictly Marxist but just has some aspects that are similar (which maybe some of you are). But its really open to interpretation based on your own beliefs. I suspect Isaac has come to his own conclusions. When you hear players say "we want to have our own message", what exactly do you think they are referring to?
Other people could perceive this differently and that is fine. We can have different interpretations. I just think BLM could have worded their mission statement a lot better but apparently chose not to.
Please get an ice pack because you definitely pulled something with this stretch. So I’m to assume that Jonathan Isaac has in-depth knowledge about Black Lives Matter and Marxist theory? All this could be true but if it was he could have clarified that in his response to the reporter.
More like Marxist is the next meaningless buzzword on the right like deep state and all the other idiotic crap thrown around. Yes there have been some BLM founders that have studied Marxism and some identify as Marxists but that’s in the context of organizing and building coalitions.
https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/jul/21/black-lives-matter-marxist-movement/ These days, Marxism usually means analyzing social change through an economic lens, with the assumption that the rich and the poor should become more equal.
In a recently surfaced 2015 interview, one of the three Black Lives Matter co-founders declared that she and another co-founder "are trained Marxists."
But the movement has grown and broadened dramatically. Many Americans, few of whom would identify as Marxists, support Black Lives Matter, drawn to its message of anti-racism.
"We do have an ideological frame. Myself and Alicia, in particular, are trained organizers; we are trained Marxists. We are superversed on, sort of, ideological theories. And I think what we really try to do is build a movement that could be utilized by many, many Black folks."
We didn’t find that Garza and Tometi have referred to themselves as Marxists. But the book publisher Penguin Random House has said Garza, an author, "describes herself as a queer social justice activist and Marxist."
The project started with a mission "to build local power and to intervene when violence was inflicted on Black communities by the state and vigilantes," the group’s website says. "In the years since, we’ve committed to struggling together and to imagining and creating a world free of anti-Blackness, where every Black person has the social, economic and political power to thrive."
Black Lives Matter’s "emphatic support for gender identity politics sets it apart from historical Marxism," and the goals listed on its website "do not appear to be expressly anti-capitalist, which would arguably be a Marxist identifier," Berman added.
In July, the New York Times reported that Black Lives Matter may be the largest movement in U.S. history, as four polls suggest that about 15 million to 26 million people in the United States have participated in demonstrations over the death of Floyd and others in recent weeks. (That does not account for similar protests overseas.)
"I am fairly convinced these are mostly attempts to smear anti-racist activists. I think in some media, ‘Marxist’ is dog-whistle for something horrible, like ‘Nazi’, and thus enables to delegitimize/dehumanize them," Miriyam Aouragh, a lecturer at the London-based Westminster School of Media and Communication, told PolitiFact.
Look at their beliefs and goals on the website. I bet you couldn’t coherently explain how it will lead to Marxism or Communism because there’s no logical connection. Only people that believe idiotic Facebook memes and right wing trolls believe that the fight to save black lives is somehow a bad thing. If we really want to go down the religious route even capitalism is not compatible with the tenets of Christianity.
