2020 Season/Offseason (FA/Trade) Speculation - the Season Resumes

[Saberestar]

I want to bring back:

Rubio
Book/Cam
Oubre/Bridges
Kaminsky
Ayton/Baynes

I'm OK keeping Saric and Payne too.

If we can upgrade Saric...GREAT! If not, whatever.

We should spend any remaining cap space on a PG with some firepower. We need scoring and spark off the bench.

Swap Frank and Saric for me. If Frank isn't hitting shots he's a liability. Saric will at least play average defense and give you some playmaking.

I'm thinking more along this line

Rubio/Payne
Booker/Carter
Bridges/Oubre
Cam Johnson/Saric
Ayton/Baynes

Frank can be third-string PF and C. We need to address backups for Rubio and Booker. The real question is Oubre being dangled on the trade market. I'm not opposed to keeping this team together but we need to have options for the backcourt-second unit.

Odd guys out might be Diallo, Okobo, Lecque, and Jerome, although the last two are guaranteed contracts I think. Oubre is a big question mark with both his injury and pending free agency. I wonder if we could get Detroit to bite on a trade ... Kennard/Rose for Oubre. The trade doesn't work straight up and Detroit would have to add another player to satisfy the dollars-in/out part of the deal. It sure would solve bench depth in the backcourt.

That would be a great trade for us...probably too good to happen.

And what about Derrick Rose and Kennard for Oubre + #10?

Rubio/Rose/Payne
Booker/Kennard/Carter
Bridges/Cam
Cam/Saric/Kaminsky
Ayton/Baynes

[WeekapaugGroove]

Swap Frank and Saric for me. If Frank isn't hitting shots he's a liability. Saric will at least play average defense and give you some playmaking.

I'm thinking more along this line

Rubio/Payne
Booker/Carter
Bridges/Oubre
Cam Johnson/Saric
Ayton/Baynes

Frank can be third-string PF and C. We need to address backups for Rubio and Booker. The real question is Oubre being dangled on the trade market. I'm not opposed to keeping this team together but we need to have options for the backcourt-second unit.

Odd guys out might be Diallo, Okobo, Lecque, and Jerome, although the last two are guaranteed contracts I think. Oubre is a big question mark with both his injury and pending free agency. I wonder if we could get Detroit to bite on a trade ... Kennard/Rose for Oubre. The trade doesn't work straight up and Detroit would have to add another player to satisfy the dollars-in/out part of the deal. It sure would solve bench depth in the backcourt.

That would be a great trade for us...probably too good to happen.

And what about Derrick Rose and Kennard for Oubre + #10?

Rubio/Rose/Payne
Booker/Kennard/Carter
Bridges/Cam
Cam/Saric/Kaminsky
Ayton/Baynes

Makes some sense. Im kind of against Rose as a person so wouldn't love rooting for him.

Now for all the people who worry about paying oubre BOTH Rose and Kennard would need new contracts after next season.

Oh and I would absolutely NOT trade BOTH oubre and 10 for those two.

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[ImNotMcDiSwear]

I'm thinking more along this line

Rubio/Payne
Booker/Carter
Bridges/Oubre
Cam Johnson/Saric
Ayton/Baynes

Frank can be third-string PF and C. We need to address backups for Rubio and Booker. The real question is Oubre being dangled on the trade market. I'm not opposed to keeping this team together but we need to have options for the backcourt-second unit.

Odd guys out might be Diallo, Okobo, Lecque, and Jerome, although the last two are guaranteed contracts I think. Oubre is a big question mark with both his injury and pending free agency. I wonder if we could get Detroit to bite on a trade ... Kennard/Rose for Oubre. The trade doesn't work straight up and Detroit would have to add another player to satisfy the dollars-in/out part of the deal. It sure would solve bench depth in the backcourt.

That would be a great trade for us...probably too good to happen.

And what about Derrick Rose and Kennard for Oubre + #10?

Rubio/Rose/Payne
Booker/Kennard/Carter
Bridges/Cam
Cam/Saric/Kaminsky
Ayton/Baynes

Makes some sense. Im kind of against Rose as a person so wouldn't love rooting for him.

Now for all the people who worry about paying oubre BOTH Rose and Kennard would need new contracts after next season.

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I guess the good news is you wouldn't have to root for Rose for very long. Can't imagine Kennard will command a big deal given his injury history, so perhaps he's not much of a get.

I would consider this if instead of the #10 we were sending out the #20. All of these guys are on one-year deals, so how much is this really worth to us?

[SunsLyf3]

I want to bring back:

Rubio
Book/Cam
Oubre/Bridges
Kaminsky
Ayton/Baynes

I'm OK keeping Saric and Payne too.

If we can upgrade Saric...GREAT! If not, whatever.

We should spend any remaining cap space on a PG with some firepower. We need scoring and spark off the bench.

Swap Frank and Saric for me. If Frank isn't hitting shots he's a liability. Saric will at least play average defense and give you some playmaking.

I'm thinking more along this line

Rubio/Payne
Booker/Carter
Bridges/Oubre
Cam Johnson/Saric
Ayton/Baynes

Frank can be third-string PF and C. We need to address backups for Rubio and Booker. The real question is Oubre being dangled on the trade market. I'm not opposed to keeping this team together but we need to have options for the backcourt-second unit.

Odd guys out might be Diallo, Okobo, Lecque, and Jerome, although the last two are guaranteed contracts I think. Oubre is a big question mark with both his injury and pending free agency. I wonder if we could get Detroit to bite on a trade ... Kennard/Rose for Oubre. The trade doesn't work straight up and Detroit would have to add another player to satisfy the dollars-in/out part of the deal. It sure would solve bench depth in the backcourt.

I would hate to lose Oubre since he' been a big part of the new culture/attitude around the team but that trade would help balance out the roster perfectly. Rose has plenty of playoff experience and seems to have embraced being a role player with his recent resurgence.

Edit: Rose coming off of Baynes picks would be a beauty as well.

[WeekapaugGroove]

That would be a great trade for us...probably too good to happen.

And what about Derrick Rose and Kennard for Oubre + #10?

Rubio/Rose/Payne
Booker/Kennard/Carter
Bridges/Cam
Cam/Saric/Kaminsky
Ayton/Baynes

Makes some sense. Im kind of against Rose as a person so wouldn't love rooting for him.

Now for all the people who worry about paying oubre BOTH Rose and Kennard would need new contracts after next season.

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I guess the good news is you wouldn't have to root for Rose for very long. Can't imagine Kennard will command a big deal given his injury history, so perhaps he's not much of a get.

I would consider this if instead of the #10 we were sending out the #20. All of these guys are on one-year deals, so how much is this really worth to us?

Actually I had read back at the deadline one of the reasons the Pistons were willing to move Luke was be wanted to get PAID this coming summer when he's extension eligible. He's a tricky one because he's looked really good in flashes but hasn't been consistent or healthy.

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[bwgood77]

I dont see any advantage of Oubre not playing. He will have to play next yr too, with the same risk. It seems clear he and his agent chose to get a couple good paycheck years in while controlling his UFA status in yr 3. That 2 yr deal did us no favors and I think hinders his trade value as teams do not have the ability to retain him. Hes going to cost the same amount, so why trade for a potential walker when you will be at square one come signing day (2021) anyway. Am I ballpark right ?

Also.....Shank is playing his way to China. Dude is on the verge of losing 5Mill. Then again, he just made about 3 million too much.

A team over the cap may want his bird rights. In that case we'd most likely have to take back salary but that would be the primary reason someone would trade for him....and/or if the agent/team have kind of ballparked a next contract figure.

[Saberestar]

That would be a great trade for us...probably too good to happen.

And what about Derrick Rose and Kennard for Oubre + #10?

Rubio/Rose/Payne
Booker/Kennard/Carter
Bridges/Cam
Cam/Saric/Kaminsky
Ayton/Baynes

Makes some sense. Im kind of against Rose as a person so wouldn't love rooting for him.

Now for all the people who worry about paying oubre BOTH Rose and Kennard would need new contracts after next season.

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I guess the good news is you wouldn't have to root for Rose for very long. Can't imagine Kennard will command a big deal given his injury history, so perhaps he's not much of a get.

I would consider this if instead of the #10 we were sending out the #20. All of these guys are on one-year deals, so how much is this really worth to us?

Kennard will be a RFA, so we would control his new contract. He is just 24 years old.

With Rose we would get his Bird rights, so we could sign him going over the cap. He is extremely good yet...18.1 points and 5.6 assists per game.

I think the Pistons are a perfect partner for trades this offseason. We already have traded our G-League to them.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Makes some sense. Im kind of against Rose as a person so wouldn't love rooting for him.

Now for all the people who worry about paying oubre BOTH Rose and Kennard would need new contracts after next season.

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I guess the good news is you wouldn't have to root for Rose for very long. Can't imagine Kennard will command a big deal given his injury history, so perhaps he's not much of a get.

I would consider this if instead of the #10 we were sending out the #20. All of these guys are on one-year deals, so how much is this really worth to us?

Kennard will be a RFA, so we would control his new contract. He is just 24 years old.

With Rose we would get his Bird rights, so we could sign him going over the cap. He is extremely good yet...18.1 points and 5.6 assists per game.

I think the Pistons are a perfect partner for trades this offseason. We already have traded our G-League to them.

Might they be enticed to accept our gracious offer of the extraordinary young talent, Jalen Lecque, in lieu of our pitiful, relatively worthless FRP?

[bigfoot]

Swap Frank and Saric for me. If Frank isn't hitting shots he's a liability. Saric will at least play average defense and give you some playmaking.

I'm thinking more along this line

Rubio/Payne
Booker/Carter
Bridges/Oubre
Cam Johnson/Saric
Ayton/Baynes

Frank can be third-string PF and C. We need to address backups for Rubio and Booker. The real question is Oubre being dangled on the trade market. I'm not opposed to keeping this team together but we need to have options for the backcourt-second unit.

Odd guys out might be Diallo, Okobo, Lecque, and Jerome, although the last two are guaranteed contracts I think. Oubre is a big question mark with both his injury and pending free agency. I wonder if we could get Detroit to bite on a trade ... Kennard/Rose for Oubre. The trade doesn't work straight up and Detroit would have to add another player to satisfy the dollars-in/out part of the deal. It sure would solve bench depth in the backcourt.

That would be a great trade for us...probably too good to happen.

And what about Derrick Rose and Kennard for Oubre + #10?

Rubio/Rose/Payne
Booker/Kennard/Carter
Bridges/Cam
Cam/Saric/Kaminsky
Ayton/Baynes

On paper it does look pretty good for us. Then use MLE to get a backup SF.

One way to look at it is we don't have a huge need for Oubre if Bridges and Cam Johnson continue to excel. For all we know he could walk away in 2021 and we don't get anything in return. Do we really want to pay him the salary he will command? Detroit would have the risk of losing him too. I think adding a first-round pick would get it done but obviously need some protection on it.

[Revived]

Man it’s too bad we never got to play against Pelicans with Zion. I really want to see how Bridges or Ayton guarding him works out. He obviously plays extremely physical and Ayton can definitely a learn a bit from it too.

[itlnsunsfan]

Isaac just blew out his knee again. Oubre for Gordon trade idea probably put to bed.

That does hurt that possibility but they still have Aminu for 2 more years and he could start...and they will have their draft pick Chuma Okeke coming back from ACL injury himself....he tore it in the ACL tourney last year and they still drafted him so he will have had a year and a half to recover. Oubre could play some PF too.

They might like more of small ball around Vucevic or Bamba too.

I wonder if Detroit would be interested in an Oubre for Kennard swap...they will have cap space to absorb him..they only have like $71million in cap use and none of their bird rights are worth keeping really except Wood, who has a very small hold. They need a SF...but I guess that depends on how they view Sekou Doumboya...he is listed as a SF but can play PF....of course they have Griffin too.

Is Kennard near the value of Oubre?

[bwgood77]

Isaac just blew out his knee again. Oubre for Gordon trade idea probably put to bed.

That does hurt that possibility but they still have Aminu for 2 more years and he could start...and they will have their draft pick Chuma Okeke coming back from ACL injury himself....he tore it in the ACL tourney last year and they still drafted him so he will have had a year and a half to recover. Oubre could play some PF too.

They might like more of small ball around Vucevic or Bamba too.

I wonder if Detroit would be interested in an Oubre for Kennard swap...they will have cap space to absorb him..they only have like $71million in cap use and none of their bird rights are worth keeping really except Wood, who has a very small hold. They need a SF...but I guess that depends on how they view Sekou Doumboya...he is listed as a SF but can play PF....of course they have Griffin too.

Is Kennard near the value of Oubre?

I don't know. But at his contract value he is..more bang for buck. His defense isn't good, but he averages 4 assists per game and shoots 40% from 3. Would be a very nice backup 2. Smart player.

[Qwigglez]

I'd rather trade our upcoming draft pick for Kennard than to trade Oubre. I think we'd have a chance of being a really good team next year if that happened.

[Revived]

Kennard is really not all that good. He's a good 3pt shooter but also has serious injuries to consider. Very poor defensively too. I wouldn't trade Oubre or the upcoming draft pick for him.

Jerome was drafted with a 1st rd pick rd pick just a year ago, I would trade him straight up for Kennard if James Jones still has the hard on for Kennard. It's a good deal for Detroit they get a guy who has several more years on a rookie contract while for the Suns they get a shooter for the bench.

I hope we can draft a future PF prospect with our draft pick.

[nevetsov]

I'd rather flip Oubre for an established, 30mpg SG/SF on a multi year deal, to back up both Booker and Bridges.

I'm thinking either LeVert (51m/ 3 years) or a sign and traded Joe Harris ($38m/ 3 years). Surely Brooklyn won't keep both, and would prefer a true SF/PF to pair with KD.

Draft either Vassell or a PG.

Rubio, Payne, Carter
Booker, [LeVert or Harris/ Vassell]
Bridges, [LeVert or Harris/ Vassell]
Johnson, Saric
Ayton, Baynes

Dynamite.

[Desertfox]

Why the hell are we trying to trade for frikin Kennard?

[jredsaz]

I'm thinking more along this line

Rubio/Payne
Booker/Carter
Bridges/Oubre
Cam Johnson/Saric
Ayton/Baynes

Frank can be third-string PF and C. We need to address backups for Rubio and Booker. The real question is Oubre being dangled on the trade market. I'm not opposed to keeping this team together but we need to have options for the backcourt-second unit.

Odd guys out might be Diallo, Okobo, Lecque, and Jerome, although the last two are guaranteed contracts I think. Oubre is a big question mark with both his injury and pending free agency. I wonder if we could get Detroit to bite on a trade ... Kennard/Rose for Oubre. The trade doesn't work straight up and Detroit would have to add another player to satisfy the dollars-in/out part of the deal. It sure would solve bench depth in the backcourt.

That would be a great trade for us...probably too good to happen.

And what about Derrick Rose and Kennard for Oubre + #10?

Rubio/Rose/Payne
Booker/Kennard/Carter
Bridges/Cam
Cam/Saric/Kaminsky
Ayton/Baynes

On paper it does look pretty good for us. Then use MLE to get a backup SF.

One way to look at it is we don't have a huge need for Oubre if Bridges and Cam Johnson continue to excel. For all we know he could walk away in 2021 and we don't get anything in return. Do we really want to pay him the salary he will command? Detroit would have the risk of losing him too. I think adding a first-round pick would get it done but obviously need some protection on it.

You think Sarver let's James Jones use the full MLE if they operate over the cap? I'm not sure he gives the go ahead.

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[jredsaz]

Why the hell are we trying to trade for frikin Kennard?

40% shooter from 3. He is one of the best shooters in the NBA.

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[jredsaz]

That would be a great trade for us...probably too good to happen.

And what about Derrick Rose and Kennard for Oubre + #10?

Rubio/Rose/Payne
Booker/Kennard/Carter
Bridges/Cam
Cam/Saric/Kaminsky
Ayton/Baynes

On paper it does look pretty good for us. Then use MLE to get a backup SF.

One way to look at it is we don't have a huge need for Oubre if Bridges and Cam Johnson continue to excel. For all we know he could walk away in 2021 and we don't get anything in return. Do we really want to pay him the salary he will command? Detroit would have the risk of losing him too. I think adding a first-round pick would get it done but obviously need some protection on it.

You think Sarver let's James Jones use the full MLE if they operate over the cap? I'm not sure he gives the go ahead.

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Tbh it is why I expect the Suns to pursue what Gambo has been saying all summer. Only one of Kaminsky, Saric or Baynes is retained. Possibly one of Carter or Payne. Expect that Elie is gone. Jerome and Lecque are guaranteed.

They fill the roster with some combination of the draft, $13-$15 mil in cap space, the Room MLE, a possible trade of Oubre and/or #10, and minimum contracts. This strategy keeps the team salary lower than if they operated over the cap.

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[Revived]

Why the hell are we trying to trade for frikin Kennard?

Seriously, I don’t get it either. Steve Novak was a great 3pt shooter too iirc and I don’t remember anyone saying we should give up a lottery pick for him.

Kennard has just 1 yr left on his deal too.