hugepatsfan wrote:Fencer reregistered wrote:snowman wrote:I understand all the "Trade Hayward" post due to the cap issues that his contract brings. IMO, it will work it's self out with an extension next off season, after he opts in and plays out that year. Danny won't let him pull a Horford, and I don't think he would do that to Brad without full warning, and an opportunity to match if he did. So, with that being said, I think he showed why we need him in the game against the Bucks. When one of our guys (Kimba, Tatum or Brown) is not producing on a given night He and Smart are able to turn it up a notch. Neither of these 2 need to be the focal point, but can be when needed. To have this available as your 4th and 5th players, is something no other team has.
With that being said, I think (IMO) we need to move the roster spots 12-15:
Edwards, while he still has some value, if he still has any
Poirier, just don't see anything he provides that Tacko can't do as our 4th big
Green, very athletic, but no consistency on shot
Semi, I had forgot he was drafted the same draft as Tatum. Need to move him while he still has perceived value.
That's 7.4 mil in salary in 20/21 and another 1.8 (Edwards) in 21/22. Tacko can replace Poirier, and Waters can replace Edwards. Let's find a 1 for 4 trade and sweeten it with our picks and 1.8 mill in cash to move our bench in the right direction. Then we would have the 17th to replace the last spot.
How about Derick Rose 7.7 mil for 1 year, for Edwards, Poirier, Green, Semi and the 26th pick along with 1.8 mil cash to buy out Edwards last guaranteed year. Detroit only has 10 guys under contract next season, so a 4 for 1 wouldn't be a concern. They could just release who they don't want.
OK. In theory, a consolidation trade like that is great. But it means we're keeping the keepers, e.g:
Natural centers/bigs: Theis, Kanter, Time Lord, Tacko
Natural forwards: Tatum, Brown, Hayward, Grant
Natural guards: Kemba, Smart, Langford, Waters
Could we really get somebody who'd earn significant minutes if all those other guys were staying?
Waters and Tacko are G-leaguers who have never had even a hint of sustained success at the NBA level. Langford hasn't had any success. Grant has been solid enough to play low minutes, nothing more. Time Lord has shown flashes but not consistent quality play in low minutes when he's even healthy enough to play.
All of those guys are young but if you remove blind allegiance to guys we drafted and want to see succeed, it shouldn't be very hard to find better players than those guys. That's not to say we should give them away because there is obviously room to grow. But it really wouldn't be difficult to land better players in trades or veteran signings. It's just about balancing future development with win now pieces.
We need third contract vet role players. They know what they are, they are happy with whatever contract they can get and all they want is to be in a winner. This team is starving for guys like Danny Green who know their role but can step it up when called upon. I really like Semi, Wannamaker, Grant etc. but to play with the best we need a true vet off the bench. Smart is almost that guy but he still has too much alpha in his game.